Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

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Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

Postby TomTrovato » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:34 pm

Hi All,

I am the new owner of Tatanka - 1994 Freedom 40/40 sailing out of the Port of Rochester on Lake Ontario. The boat is rigged with a jib furler and what looks like about an 80% jib. The forestay as delivered is VERY loose. I was out last weekend and when the wind kicked up over twenty with 4'+ waves the furler and jib flopped around violently. I'm new to this rig - and am coming from a C&C 38 with rod rigging that was tuned like a guitar - so, does anyone have a recommendation for forestay tension? I want to be able to point optimally, but don't want to stress the mast. Any advise is appreciated...

Thanks!
Tom
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Re: Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

Postby Riki » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:33 am

Congratulations on your new boat! We have a 1997 40/40, but we have the jib with a camberspar, so I have no advice I can give you. You might want to post this into the Rigging section of the board. Good luck!

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Re: Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

Postby Paul Langevin » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:41 pm

Tom, we have hull #11 a 1995 Freedom 40/40. We also have a camber spar jib so my advice for a fix may not be helpful. However, from everything that I have read getting the forestay too tight can cause major problems for the mast in violent winds and a seaway. The over tight forestay prevents the mast tip from bending back which would be the effect of cranking down on a main sheet and from my research cause the mast to actually crack. I would suggest that you contact Paul Dennis at Warren River Boatworks in RI (401-245-6949 or WRBtwks@aol.com. He is the expert on all things Freedom and actually ran the plant when Freedom was in business. He is most helpful and I doubt that there is anything that he has not seen or fixed when it comes the Freedoms. Best, Paul Langevin
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Re: Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

Postby Hans » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:17 pm

Tom, I agree with Paul completely. Freedom masts are quite different from 'normal' aluminum masts. The latter needs a rigging to constrict almost any movement like the rod rigging on your C&C 38, the former needs room for movement. Constricting this room leeds mostly to problems. Four friends bought a 40/40 with a roller fuller jib, a couple of years ago in Florida. They asked the yard ( this yard had no experience with Freedom's) to prepare the boat for a cruise to the Virgin Islands, not having time to do the trip themselves they hired a crew to deliver the boat, crew hadn't sailed with Freedoms before.
They made the obvious mistake to take the slack out of the forestay, thinking it was way to loose. During the crossing of the Gulf Stream on their way to Nassau they got into some serious choppy seas, almost like hobby horse riding. This resulted in a jerking movement on the forestay, resulting in ripping of the whole shooting match from the foredeck.
As I experienced myself: it's impossible to completely restrict the movement of the mast, even with running backstays as I have on my boat. This I found out in the same Gulfstream on my first trip with my 45: the running backstays were made of a non stretch material, in 12 hours the pretty heavy blocks were ripped apart. My running backstays are now made of good old fashioned nylon; enough stretch to leave everything intact while still controlling most of the movement. But the longer I sail with the boat the less I use them. ( They are not in the sailplan as designed and added by the first owner)
Which leads me to a remark on your roller furling, and I know I am walking on thin ice here. But in my opinion a roller furling has no place on a Freedom.
They were originally designed with Camberspars for very good reasons. And what I remember from sailing with boats with a roller furling: you really need a tight forestay otherwise they won't furl. Esp in windy conditions. Well realizing a tight forestay on a Freedom is just not possible. The only reason I can think of: having a Freedom and only sail on flat water, and not in windy conditions. Not my kind of sailing, but.. why not. Then a furler can come in handy.
Contacting Paul Dennis is really a good advice, he is around Freedom's a long time an has seen probably most of the mistakes but also solutions which has been made by Freedom owners.
I know there are Freedom's out there which has been changed from a Camberspar to a roller furling, I am open to any feedback from a owner who actually sail with a furler and I am open to change my opinion. But so far I am still a Camberspar fan, although they have there negative points also.
But lets not forget what is most important: you've bought a wonderful boat and I wish you every joy in sailing her.
Hans Hansen, Harlingen,The Netherlands.
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Re: Freedom 40/40 roller furling jib forestay tension

Postby TomTrovato » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:36 am

Hi Paul, Hans & Riki,

Thanks for your thoughtful responses (and well wishes). I told my wife when contemplating the move from a C&C to a Freedom that the boats are opposite in almost every respect. I am very interested in 'learning' the Freedom and am not trying to impose my prior sailing experience. I will contact Paul Dennis for his input and in the interim will keep my furler foil loose. I have the camber spar itself, but none of the rest of the rigging. I also do not have the original sail or the sail pattern. Any thoughts on this are welcome. My plan is to sail the boat as is for the summer to get the 'Freedom feeling' and research the options for next season...

THANKS!
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