Posted by chris (watts2434@…>)
Ola,
Just purchased a 88 Freedom30. It was on the dry when i got it and
looked solid. However once wet, when rolling in waves, the bottom of
the mast step makes a large clunking sound when rocked back and forth.
Am not sure whats inside the mast or how its installed, but sounds like
something is loose or broken :>0 any ideas???
Posted by chris (watts2434@…>)
Ola,
Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this
normal?/
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting
torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@…> wrote: Ola, Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
Posted by Brain Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Fargo and Chris
Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin in the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the base, it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT COME OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such tool.
Brian
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Brian,I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain our Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few inches above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the hole. This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-half inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making the sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-install the mast after removal. - ReesOn Oct 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Brain Guptil wrote: Fargo and Chris Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin in the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the base, it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT COME OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such tool. Brian -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote: Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
I would not use epoxy but PU-resin in a high durometer (80 or 90).
It’s something like Spartite (durometer 55), but harder and at a
fraction of the cost. Spartite is too soft for freestanding masts,
Spartite admits, b.t.w. My new in 2000 mainmast (built by Goetz) has
been put in place then with this hard (but still a little flexible)
PU-resin. I’m redoing it now, but now with liberal coats of vaseline
on the surfaces that I want it not to glue to. It has an amber color
and can be obtained by the pint at hobby shops where they sell
materials for casting models.
Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley
<rmidgley@…> wrote:
Brian,
I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain
our
Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom
factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a
Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few
inches
above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the
hole.
This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-
half
inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making
the
sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was
critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid
contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I
don’t
recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated
the
inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the
epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to
re-
install the mast after removal.- ReesOn Oct 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Brain Guptil wrote:
Fargo and Chris
Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin
in
the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the
base,
it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT
COME
OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such
tool.Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo
Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 MastOh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night,
sailing
down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you
know…
but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and
elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have
sailed
and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to
1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits
a
solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days
after
my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast
goes, KLANK”.There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the
mast
base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the
keel.
The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this
slot…
This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting
torque…and
not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place
by
the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top.There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to
the
sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with
tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this
issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up
correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12chris <watts2434@…> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat
at the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this
normal?/
Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
I solved the “KLUNK” problem thusly: I rented a male base plug from
Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works. I layed in a 3" wide layer of
glass around the interior base of the mast and did test fittings wwith
the plug. Added more glass layers as necc. and ground as necc. all
according to the test plug. Finished with the fit a little loose and
then wrapped a layer or two of duct tape around the actual mast base
plug. Fits perfectly, NO more “Klunk”
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “chris” <watts2434@…>
wrote:
Ola,
Just purchased a 88 Freedom30. It was on the dry when i got it and
looked solid. However once wet, when rolling in waves, the bottom
of
the mast step makes a large clunking sound when rocked back and
forth.
Am not sure whats inside the mast or how its installed, but sounds
like
something is loose or broken :>0 any ideas???
Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
Another possibility of what goes “clunk” in the mast is the wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe but is a definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the forward cabin of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and used 4 wire ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star pattern as suggested by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828MailTo:wacormack@…
----- Original Message -----
From: Fargo Rousseau
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
I used 50’ of insulation tube taped together at the ends. The wires
and a guide rope are inside it.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack”
<wacormack@…> wrote:
Another possibility of what goes “clunk” in the mast is the
wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe but is a
definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the forward cabin
of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and used 4 wire
ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star pattern as suggested
by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax:
508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828
MailTo:wacormack@…----- Original Message -----
From: Fargo Rousseau
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 MastOh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night,
sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you
know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the
base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We
have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th
to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits
a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days
after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my
mast goes, KLANK”.There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the
mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the
keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this
slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting
torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually
held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the
cabin top.There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to
the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug
with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on
this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it
up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12chris <watts2434@…> wrote:
Ola, Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the
boat at the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side,
something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0
not
sure how the
Posted by Larry Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)
What do you mean by a star pattern?
Larry Kraus
Original Message -----
From:
Fargo
Rousseau
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject:
Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing
down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know…
but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and
elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed
and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…
First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th
inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid
clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.
I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after
my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes,
KLANK”.
There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast
base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The
bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This
bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to
“bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the
urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top.
There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the
sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with
tape…
Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this
issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up
correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…
Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12
chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,
Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the
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Posted by chris (watts2434@…>)
Thanks Fellas
I believe the mast maybe swings back and forth at the base about a
half inch or so, farley large range and only really clunks hard when
theres a good rocking from side to side.
Rees, who is the person that looks after you Freedom in the BVI?
bought mine off the bitterend and wouldnt mind checking this guy out,
especially if he knows a quick fix to it. Ive got it moored in
roadharbour. i had also pondered the epoxy fill myself, saves taking
the whole thing down. but yes could make difficult to remove.
As well there is the clanking of the wires in the mast too!! but
that i dont care about, just the large “thud” that wakes me.
Chris
– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>
wrote:
Brian,
I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain
our
Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom
factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a
Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few
inches
above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the
hole.
This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-
half
inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making
the
sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was
critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid
contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t
recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the
inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the
epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-
install the mast after removal.
- ReesOn Oct 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Brain Guptil wrote:
Fargo and Chris
Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin
in
the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the
base,
it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT COME
OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such
tool.Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo
Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 MastOh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night,
sailing
down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know…
but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and
elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed
and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to
1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits
a
solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days
after
my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast
goes, KLANK”.There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast
base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel.
The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this
slot…
This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting
torque…and
not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place
by
the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top.There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to
the
sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with
tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this
issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up
correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12chris <watts2434@…> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at
the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this
normal?/
Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
Star pattern = connect the wire ties one to the next, to the next, etc. and leave the tails on. Tighten them down equally and the result is four tails sticking out around the wire bundle to stop the slap inside the mast. Mine came with rubber insulation which was very heavy. The new assembly weighs about half as much.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Kraus
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/23/2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
What do you mean by a star pattern?Larry KrausWilliam A. Cormack wrote:
Another possibility of what goes “clunk” in the mast is the wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe but is a definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the forward cabin of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and used 4 wire ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star pattern as suggested by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828MailTo:wacormack@wallc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Fargo Rousseau
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the
Posted by Brain Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Rees
All I can say is do the math or come over and try and remove MY masts. The disk that the mast sits on is about 2 in height and 16 in. in diameter, very rough estimates. Thus, the area available for a epoxy bond is roughly 180 square inches (3.14 times radius squared). IN order to release, the bond must sheer. I have two masts that will stand upright without touching the deck hole edge, when the deck compression ring is removed, thin in 15kn of wind. I broke 5/8 in line trying to pull them. I bent the goose neck fitting trying to twist the mast loose using the boom, I mean my crew did when the kept pushing after I had told them to stop.
I hope I NEVER find the person who did this to this boat.
Your choice!
Brian
Brian Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St. Slip-536 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rees MidgleySent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:49 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Brian,
I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain our Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few inches above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the hole. This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-half inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making the sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-install the mast after removal.
Brian
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
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Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Chris,
The man is Bill Schroer. He lives on his Freedom ketch, Dancing
with Whales, located on a dock at the Eastern end of Soper’s Hole.
He maintains a number of boats in the area.
On Oct 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, chris wrote:
Thanks Fellas
I believe the mast maybe swings back and forth at the base about a
half inch or so, farley large range and only really clunks hard when
theres a good rocking from side to side.
Rees, who is the person that looks after you Freedom in the BVI?
bought mine off the bitterend and wouldnt mind checking this guy out,
especially if he knows a quick fix to it. Ive got it moored in
roadharbour. i had also pondered the epoxy fill myself, saves taking
the whole thing down. but yes could make difficult to remove.
As well there is the clanking of the wires in the mast too!! but
that i dont care about, just the large “thud” that wakes me.
Chris
– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>
wrote:
Brian,
I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain
our
Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom
factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a
Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few
inches
above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the
hole.
This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-
half
inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making
the
sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was
critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid
contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t
recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the
inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the
epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-
install the mast after removal.
- ReesOn Oct 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Brain Guptil wrote:
Fargo and Chris
Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin
in
the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the
base,
it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT COME
OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such
tool.Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo
Rousseau
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 MastOh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night,
sailing
down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know…
but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and
elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed
and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to
1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits
a
solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days
after
my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast
goes, KLANK”.There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast
base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel.
The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this
slot…
This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting
torque…and
not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place
by
the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top.There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to
the
sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with
tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this
issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up
correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12chris <watts2434@…> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at
the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this
normal?/
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Brian:
A belated hello. Saw Cayenne Saturday heading south from Annapolis.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brain GuptilSent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:25 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Rees
All I can say is do the math or come over and try and remove MY masts. The disk that the mast sits on is about 2 in height and 16 in. in diameter, very rough estimates. Thus, the area available for a epoxy bond is roughly 180 square inches (3.14 times radius squared). IN order to release, the bond must sheer. I have two masts that will stand upright without touching the deck hole edge, when the deck compression ring is removed, thin in 15kn of wind. I broke 5/8 in line trying to pull them. I bent the goose neck fitting trying to twist the mast loose using the boom, I mean my crew did when the kept pushing after I had told them to stop.
I hope I NEVER find the person who did this to this boat.
Your choice!
Brian
Brian Guptil sailordude@brigup.com
2501 Boston St. Slip-536 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rees MidgleySent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:49 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Brian,
I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain our Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few inches above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the hole. This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-half inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making the sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-install the mast after removal.
Brian
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
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Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Brian,I did not do this because I was concerned over the possibility of having difficulty in getting the mast out. But note, I said INSIDE the mast and only one-half inch high – no higher. As Michel said, epoxy might not be the best choice. But the idea is one that has worked before. - ReesOn Oct 23, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Brain Guptil wrote: Rees All I can say is do the math or come over and try and remove MY masts. The disk that the mast sits on is about 2 in height and 16 in. in diameter, very rough estimates. Thus, the area available for a epoxy bond is roughly 180 square inches (3.14 times radius squared). IN order to release, the bond must sheer. I have two masts that will stand upright without touching the deck hole edge, when the deck compression ring is removed, thin in 15kn of wind. I broke 5/8 in line trying to pull them. I bent the goose neck fitting trying to twist the mast loose using the boom, I mean my crew did when the kept pushing after I had told them to stop. I hope I NEVER find the person who did this to this boat. Your choice! Brian Brian Guptil sailordude@… 2501 Boston St. Slip-536 www.brigup.com Baltimore, MD 21224 206-818-3203 S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock. -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rees MidgleySent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:49 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast Brian, I don’t think this has to be true. A man who helps to maintain our Freedom in the BVI previously worked for 15 years in the Freedom factory doing all aspects of construction. Later he managed a Freedom charter business. He said I could drill a hole a few inches above the bottom of the mast and pour a pint of epoxy into the hole. This would form a casting on the inside that would be about one-half inch high. This stops the mast from moving sideways and making the sound. He said the mast could still be removed. He said it was critical to avoid using too much epoxy, presumably to avoid contacting the bolt that prevents the mast from revolving. I don’t recall the details but it may be that he would have pre-coated the inside of the base of the mast in some fashion before adding the epoxy. My guess, however, is that it might be more difficult to re-install the mast after removal. - Rees On Oct 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Brain Guptil wrote: Fargo and Chris Gentlemen, I caution you, if anyone suggests poring epoxy or resin in the ware exit hold at the base of the mast so as to “glue” the base, it is true that the mast will not clunk, but it also WILL-NOT COME OUT when so desired, without the use of a SAWS-ALL or other such tool. Brian -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:48 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote: Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the mast is put in place down there, any ideas or is this normal?/
Posted by Larry Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)
So the extended tails from the wire ties act to center the wire bundle
inside the mast, correct? Very creative.
I was thinking of some type of nerf ball with a center hole and slit to
insert the wire bundle. The star of wire ties sounds easier. I guess
the other issue is the halyards that are threaded inside the mast. I
expect that there’s not much one can do about those.
LK
William A. Cormack wrote:
Star pattern = connect the wire ties
one to the next, to the next, etc. and leave the tails on. Tighten
them down equally and the result is four tails sticking out around the
wire bundle to stop the slap inside the mast. Mine came with rubber
insulation which was very heavy. The new assembly weighs about half as
much.
Bill
Original Message -----
From:
Larry Kraus
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
10/23/2006 11:02 AM
Subject:
Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
What do you mean by a star pattern?
Larry Kraus
Original Message -----
From:
Fargo
Rousseau
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject:
Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:
Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing
down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know…
but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and
elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed
and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…
First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th
inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid
clank…and you can feel it all over the boat.
I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after
my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes,
KLANK”.
There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast
base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The
bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This
bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to
“bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the
urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top.
There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the
sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with
tape…
Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this
issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up
correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…
Best wishes,
Fargo
F30#12
chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,
Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the
very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something
large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not
sure how the
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Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
Yes, the ties center the wire bundle. The halyards don’t move much if you keep them tight. The nerf ball would likely be destroyed by the halyards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Kraus
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/23/2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
So the extended tails from the wire ties act to center the wire bundle inside the mast, correct? Very creative.I was thinking of some type of nerf ball with a center hole and slit to insert the wire bundle. The star of wire ties sounds easier. I guess the other issue is the halyards that are threaded inside the mast. I expect that there’s not much one can do about those. LKWilliam A. Cormack wrote:
Star pattern = connect the wire ties one to the next, to the next, etc. and leave the tails on. Tighten them down equally and the result is four tails sticking out around the wire bundle to stop the slap inside the mast. Mine came with rubber insulation which was very heavy. The new assembly weighs about half as much.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Kraus
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/23/2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
What do you mean by a star pattern?Larry KrausWilliam A. Cormack wrote:
Another possibility of what goes “clunk” in the mast is the wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe but is a definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the forward cabin of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and used 4 wire ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star pattern as suggested by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828MailTo:wacormack@wallc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Fargo Rousseau
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast
Oh Chris:Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the night, sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very upsetting…as you know… but…NOT TREATENING. The mast is very strong at the base…and elsewhere…and the mast step is also very strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank…First… how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch… in a deep roll…no sails up. When it moves it emits a solid clank…and you can feel it all over the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner’s commenta few days after my discovery… “I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK”. There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden inside the mast base…with a deep slot down the middle …aligned with the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast lays down in this slot… This bolt system is used solely to resist mast twisting torque…and not to “bolt down” the mast. The mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber wedged in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of “fixes”…ranging from…getting used to the sound…to unstepping the mast and enlarging the base plug with tape…Will help further if you like…Dennis Paul is the expert on this issue…and will probably unstep my mast this Fall and set it up correctly after some deep service on mast items… wires, etc…Best wishes,FargoF30#12chris <watts2434@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ola,Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step inside the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to side, something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or broken off! :-0 not sure how the
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
A simple trick I used on my previous Freedom is tying 20 cheap
sponges to a length of rope and hoisting it up inside the mast.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kraus
<kracherlandl@…> wrote:
So the extended tails from the wire ties act to center the wire
bundle
inside the mast, correct? Very creative.I was thinking of some type of nerf ball with a center hole and
slit to
insert the wire bundle. The star of wire ties sounds easier. I
guess the
other issue is the halyards that are threaded inside the mast. I
expect
that there’s not much one can do about those.LK
William A. Cormack wrote:
Star pattern = connect the wire ties one to the next, to the
next,
etc. and leave the tails on. Tighten them down equally and the
result
is four tails sticking out around the wire bundle to stop the
slap
inside the mast. Mine came with rubber insulation which was
very
heavy. The new assembly weighs about half as much.Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kraus <mailto:kracherlandl@...> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: 10/23/2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast What do you mean by a star pattern? Larry Kraus William A. Cormack wrote:Another possibility of what goes "clunk" in the mast is the wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe
but is
a definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the
forward
cabin of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and
used
4 wire ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star
pattern as
suggested by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828 MailTo:wacormack@... <mailto:wacormack@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Fargo Rousseau <mailto:fargo_r@...> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast Oh Chris: Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the
night,
sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very
upsetting…as
you know... but...NOT TREATENING. The mast is very
strong at
the base...and elsewhere....and the mast step is also
very
strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank..... First... how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch.. in a deep roll..no sails up.
When it
moves it emits a solid clank...and you can feel it all
over
the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner's commenta
few
days after my discovery... "I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK". There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden
inside the
mast base...with a deep slot down the middle ...aligned
with
the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast
lays down
in this slot.... This bolt system is used solely to
resist
mast twisting torque...and not to "bolt down" the
mast. The
mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber
wedged
in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of "fixes"....ranging
from…getting used
to the sound.....to unstepping the mast and enlarging
the
base plug with tape... Will help further if you like...Dennis Paul is the
expert on
this issue...and will probably unstep my mast this Fall
and
set it up correctly after some deep service on mast
items…
wires, etc.... Best wishes, Fargo F30#12 chris <watts2434@...> wrote: Ola, Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step
inside
the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to
side,
something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or
broken
off! :-0 not sure how the
Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
I used the heavy duty 24" wire ties available from Home Depot when I
rewired the mast 5 years ago. I recommend them highly.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kraus
<kracherlandl@…> wrote:
So the extended tails from the wire ties act to center the wire
bundle
inside the mast, correct? Very creative.I was thinking of some type of nerf ball with a center hole and
slit to
insert the wire bundle. The star of wire ties sounds easier. I
guess the
other issue is the halyards that are threaded inside the mast. I
expect
that there’s not much one can do about those.LK
William A. Cormack wrote:
Star pattern = connect the wire ties one to the next, to the
next,
etc. and leave the tails on. Tighten them down equally and the
result
is four tails sticking out around the wire bundle to stop the
slap
inside the mast. Mine came with rubber insulation which was
very
heavy. The new assembly weighs about half as much.Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kraus <mailto:kracherlandl@...> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: 10/23/2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast What do you mean by a star pattern? Larry Kraus William A. Cormack wrote:Another possibility of what goes "clunk" in the mast is the wiring. This noise is not as loud as what others describe
but is
a definite annoyance for anyone trying to sleep in the
forward
cabin of my 1986 F36. Cured it when I rewired the mast and
used
4 wire ties every 4 feet. The ties are set in a star
pattern as
suggested by someone on this list. Very effective.Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828 MailTo:wacormack@... <mailto:wacormack@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Fargo Rousseau <mailto:fargo_r@...> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: 10/22/2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 88 Freedom 30 Mast Oh Chris: Well, I made the same discovery in the middle of the
night,
sailing down the Chesapeake in a storm. Very
upsetting…as
you know... but...NOT TREATENING. The mast is very
strong at
the base...and elsewhere....and the mast step is also
very
strong. We have sailed and motored 4,000 miles since the first Klank..... First... how much does the mast move? Mine moves about 1/16th to 1/8th inch.. in a deep roll..no sails up.
When it
moves it emits a solid clank...and you can feel it all
over
the boat. I began to relax when I saw a Freedom owner's commenta
few
days after my discovery... "I know all is right with the world when my mast goes, KLANK". There is a fiberglass molded plug mast step hidden
inside the
mast base...with a deep slot down the middle ...aligned
with
the keel. The bolt you see at the base of the mast
lays down
in this slot.... This bolt system is used solely to
resist
mast twisting torque...and not to "bolt down" the
mast. The
mast is actually held in place by the urethane rubber
wedged
in collar up at the cabin top. There are a number of "fixes"....ranging
from…getting used
to the sound.....to unstepping the mast and enlarging
the
base plug with tape... Will help further if you like...Dennis Paul is the
expert on
this issue...and will probably unstep my mast this Fall
and
set it up correctly after some deep service on mast
items…
wires, etc.... Best wishes, Fargo F30#12 chris <watts2434@...> wrote: Ola, Just bought a 88 Freedom 30 and at the mast step
inside
the boat at the very bottom, everytime the boat rolls from side to
side,
something large clunks back and forth, like its loose or
broken
off! :-0 not sure how the