ANY OVERALL REVIEWS OF A FREEDOM 45?

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Posted by fs2917 (fs2917@…>)

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A F 45 NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT BOAT
ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE GREAT
THANKS

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Posted by goldbdan (goldbdan@…>)

We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them for what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as nimble in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all), I just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well could be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s more of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can maintain 8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have the shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After hauling her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fs2917” <fs2917@y…>
wrote:

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A F 45 NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT BOAT
ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE GREAT
THANKS

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

DG:

I can’t tell you anything about an F45, since I have an F30, but I can tell you
that, in my experience, the stated draft of a Freedom is just that: stated.
When I bought my boat last winter, I measured the draft on three 30’s; not a
single one had a draft of 4’6". All were about 5’. Several others on this list
reported the same experience.

Al

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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: ANY OVERALL REVIEWS OF A FREEDOM 45?



We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them for what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as nimble in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all), I just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well could be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s more of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can maintain 8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have the shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After hauling her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

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wrote:

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ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE GREAT
THANKS





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Posted by fs2917 (fs2917@…>)

thank you for your review it will be very useful for me with my
desicion process. thanks— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “goldbdan” <goldbdan@o…> wrote:

We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them for what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly
comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at
anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as nimble
in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all), I
just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well could
be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s more of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can maintain 8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have the
shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After hauling
her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fs2917” <fs2917@y…>
wrote:

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A F 45 NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT BOAT
ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE
GREAT
THANKS

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Posted by fs2917 (fs2917@…>)

-AL

thanks for the feedback with regard to draft values seems to be
global issue with freedom will certainly check when looking at
freedom boats…thanks

fs

– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

DG:

I can’t tell you anything about an F45, since I have an F30, but I
can tell you that, in my experience, the stated draft of a Freedom is
just that: stated. When I bought my boat last winter, I measured
the draft on three 30’s; not a single one had a draft of 4’6". All
were about 5’. Several others on this list reported the same
experience.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: goldbdan [mailto:goldbdan@o…]
Sent: Sun 11/28/2004 11:59 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: ANY OVERALL REVIEWS OF A
FREEDOM 45?

We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her
last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but
I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them
for what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly
comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at
anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as
nimble in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all),
I just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little
better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well
could be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of
sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered
in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent
going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s
more of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet
I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older
gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older
boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can
maintain 8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons
per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have
the shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After
hauling her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe
waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

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BOAT
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Posted by angiebera (angiebera@…>)

we are also new owners of a 45 like DG. we bought the boat (hull
#21) in july and have been working and playing on it a lot. we
actually can totally relate to DG’s story-we have gone through all
the same things and feelings. we love the boat! we also have had
to replace and fix up things (we pretty much knew all of the issues
even before the surveys were done). things get old and broke down
because of lack of use, but overall it has been an amazing
experience.

we also found her to be extremely stable in the heavy winds that hit
the so. cal bight this weekend. we reached 20 knot winds and didn’t
have to reef or question the stablity-very impressed. and just like
DG we haven’t been in heavier winds, but it is all a learning
process.

we live aboard as well and couldn’t have asked for a more
comfortable boat-very roomy and well layed out.

hope that helps a little.

ang


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “goldbdan” <goldbdan@o…>
wrote:

We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them for
what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly
comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at
anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as nimble
in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all), I
just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well could
be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s more
of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can maintain
8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have the
shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After hauling
her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fs2917” <fs2917@y…>
wrote:

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A F 45 NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT BOAT
ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE
GREAT
THANKS

7

Posted by freedom2917 (freedom2917@…>)

ANG

THANKS FOR THE REVIEW
WITHOUT THE SAIL UP MOTORING IS THERE NOTICIBLE MAST MOVEMENT THAT IS
FELT ON THE BOAT? AT WHAT ANGLE TO THE WIND CAN THE BOAT SAIL UPWIND?
HAVE YOU FOUND THE -NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO PROBLEM - WHEN GOING
FORWARD WHILE SAILING ? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THE ROLLER FURLING JIB
HAVE VERSUS THE CAMBERBOOM? PLEASE ADD ANY TECHNICHAL ISSUES WITH
SAILING VERSUS CONVENTIONAL RIG
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FR

l=D— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “angiebera”
<angiebera@y…> wrote:

we are also new owners of a 45 like DG. we bought the boat (hull
#21) in july and have been working and playing on it a lot. we
actually can totally relate to DG’s story-we have gone through all
the same things and feelings. we love the boat! we also have had
to replace and fix up things (we pretty much knew all of the issues
even before the surveys were done). things get old and broke down
because of lack of use, but overall it has been an amazing
experience.

we also found her to be extremely stable in the heavy winds that
hit
the so. cal bight this weekend. we reached 20 knot winds and
didn’t
have to reef or question the stablity-very impressed. and just
like
DG we haven’t been in heavier winds, but it is all a learning
process.

we live aboard as well and couldn’t have asked for a more
comfortable boat-very roomy and well layed out.

hope that helps a little.

ang

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “goldbdan”
<goldbdan@o…>
wrote:

We are new owners of a F45 (Hull No. 2). We purchased her last
winter, so we’ve just completed our first season with her.
Accordingly, our thoughts are not the most experienced, but I’ll
share them with you nonetheless, just be sure to take them for
what
they are worth.

Generally speaking, we love the boat. She is incredibly
comfortable
and very well mannered under way. In our view she shines at
anchor,
but we are quite happy with her sailing and motoring
characteristics. She sails reasonably well, but is not as nimble
in
light air as I expected. Not that she is a pig (not at all), I
just
thought a Gary Mull designed hull would have moved a little
better
in the lighter stuff. (Of course, our experience very well could
be
a result of our inexperience with the boat and lack of sailing
ability. :slight_smile: .)

Likewise, I found her surprisingly stable and well-mannered in
heavier air. We can keep full sail in 20 knots apparent going to
windward. Frankly, we haven’t reefed the mail yet. That’s more
of
a factor of our not having seen 25 or 30 knots under sail yet I’m
sure, but that’s our experience so far.

The boat appears very well built and the systems are well
installed. The few problems we had were the result of older gear
giving out. That’s going to be case with any used or older boat.

She also motors well. When not dragging the dink we can maintain
8
knots as a cruising speed, while burning about 1.25 gallons per
hour. We have the Yanmar 66hp turbo charged diesel, which we
understand was standard on yhe boat.

One thing we just figured out that’s interesting. We have the
shoal
draft wing keel, which is reported to draw 4’11". After hauling
her
a couple of weeks ago, we measured her, and from yhe waterline to
the bottom of the keel is 66".

Regards,

DG

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fs2917” <fs2917@y…>
wrote:

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A F 45 NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT BOAT
ANY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THERE EXPERIECES WOULD BE
GREAT
THANKS