Posted by Freeman Dodsworth (freemandodsworth@…>)
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But still…
Thanks again.
Freeman
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Freeman,
If “fun” is cranking in a big Genoa, or even a large jib, at
each tack, then the Freedom (any kind) is not for you. However, if
you like the kind of drive a large, high-aspect ration main gives,
then the esthetics will suit you fine. I presently have a Freedom 28
(Mull) and my wife really enjoys relaxing, while I enjoy the sailing
itself. This was true of the previous boat, a wing-mast Freedom 25.
There’s much to be said for the high general quality of the T-P
produced Freedom line, and each of them is not a slouch
performance-wise. All of them have all the control lines led to the
cockpit, and the only winches are right there (on my boats) on the
top of the cabin. The area around the sides of the cockpit is
uncluttered by winches, turning blocks, and tracks; things that are
very uncomfortable under-butt and tend to trip you when entering and
leaving the cockpit. The side-decks in the way of the cabin-house are
also free of “stuff”. The interiors of all the Freedoms are very nice
using wood very tastefully. Lastly, there is the reliability of the
rig itself. No longer is the mast dependent on a fairly large number
of turnbuckles, clevis and cotter pins, every one of which must
always be carefully inspected periodically. The mast just is, and
99-44/100 percent of them stay in the boat for the life of same.
Herm SV Impulse
At 10:47 AM 10/31/2007, you wrote:
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But still…
Thanks again.Freeman
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Freeman,
You’ve asked a very subjective question. To be honest with you I’ve had
more fun in small dinghies and racing cats than I have on larger boats.
But I really enjoyed my time living aboard and cruising an F-39 cat
ketch. I appreciated the ease of handling, seaworthiness, and quality
of my Freedom. The ketch outperformed similar sized boats off the wind.
It’s all a matter of what you’re after.
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Freeman Dodsworth”
<freemandodsworth@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But
still…
Thanks again.Freeman
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Hi Freeman,
I’ve owned two Freedoms (so far), a Hoyt Freedom 40 Cat Ketch and now a
Freedom 45 Center Cockpit. My wife and I met racing on a boat with a
big genoa and plenty to do for everyone aboard, despite the boat only
being 30’ long. We almost dreaded the command “coming about,” and a
good day around the buoys left you pretty well drained. As foredeck, I
never really saw much of our roundings except for sails going up and
spinnakers coming down. Exciting? yeah, usually.
But so was our maiden voyage in Glory, after clearing the Cape Cod
canal, wind out of the southwest blowing 18 - 22. The full-roach main
trimmed as well as I could (having owned the boat for all of 34 hours
at that point), the jib winging out on its own, and the boat itself
propelling along at between 7 and 8 knots, bone in her teeth, helm well
balanced… well, after 7 hours of that, boy was I bored! NOT!
It’s said that the definition of two sailboats racing is if they can
see each other. There’s a lot of fun and excitement to be had when tack-
dueling with a J-24 or an Olson 30 or a Sonar, working your way back up
boston harbor and gaining a boat length or more on every tack… you
stop caring about grinding genoas 
Lance
Glory
F45 CC
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Freeman Dodsworth”
<freemandodsworth@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But
still…
Thanks again.Freeman
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Freeman Dodsworth”
<freemandodsworth@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or
F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are
the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you
get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or
are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But
still…
Thanks again.Freeman
“Fun” is subjective and everyone will find it in a different boat. I
get a lot of satisfaction that my boat essentially sails itself with
minimum fuss. I spend my time relaxing, cooking good food and
enjoying the company of friends.
I agree with another poster who said dinghy sailing is where
the “fun” of sailing is. I’d add that, sailing exhilaration-wise, the
first time you really get a perfect day and you get a sailboard up on
a full blast plane, just the last foot of the tail touching the
water, your butt about 6" off the water, the whole board just
skipping off the tops of the waves, even finally getting overpowered
and physically flung about 20 feet by the sail as you and the whole
board crash and burn, …the feel of raw power, acceleration and
speed is laugh-out-loud overwhelming. THAT’S fun. “Sit-down”
sailing, especially bigger boat sit-down sailing, is more of an inner
fun.
Still, I will add what I think is a universal Freedom “Nothin’-But-
Fun” statement:
Gunmount spinnakers are FUN: A spinnaker that you are actually
willing to fly is worth 1000 spinnakers that stay forever in the bag.
Even singlehanded, as soon as I’m a bit off the wind mine goes up and
the boat leaps to life and steers with the touch of a finger on the
wheel. It never gets old. I get a dopey grin every time.
Rick
Tallahassee
Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Rick
One day when we closer to the new sail
season I would like to hear the ins and outs of gunmount and how to rig and fly
the kite. Right now I know I have a spinnaker, pole, and a gunmount but not
sure I have all the rigging.
Bob
From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rick_simonds
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007
6:44 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Are Freedom Yachts as fun as they look?
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Freeman Dodsworth”
<freemandodsworth@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or
F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are
the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you
get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or
are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But
still…
Thanks again.Freeman
“Fun” is subjective and everyone will find it in a different boat. I
get a lot of satisfaction that my boat essentially sails itself with
minimum fuss. I spend my time relaxing, cooking good food and
enjoying the company of friends.
I agree with another poster who said dinghy sailing is where
the “fun” of sailing is. I’d add that, sailing exhilaration-wise,
the
first time you really get a perfect day and you get a sailboard up on
a full blast plane, just the last foot of the tail touching the
water, your butt about 6" off the water, the whole board just
skipping off the tops of the waves, even finally getting overpowered
and physically flung about 20 feet by the sail as you and the whole
board crash and burn, …the feel of raw power, acceleration and
speed is laugh-out-loud overwhelming. THAT’S fun. “Sit-down”
sailing, especially bigger boat sit-down sailing, is more of an inner
fun.
Still, I will add what I think is a universal Freedom “Nothin’-But-
Fun” statement:
Gunmount spinnakers are FUN: A spinnaker that you are actually
willing to fly is worth 1000 spinnakers that stay forever in the bag.
Even singlehanded, as soon as I’m a bit off the wind mine goes up and
the boat leaps to life and steers with the touch of a finger on the
wheel. It never gets old. I get a dopey grin every time.
Rick
Tallahassee
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
At 06:44 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote:
I kind of like flying a hull on a Hobie 16, but I wouldn’t trade my
F32 for one…
TW
Pemaquid, ME
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“Fun” is subjective and everyone will find it in a different boat. I
get a lot of satisfaction that my boat essentially sails itself with
minimum fuss. I spend my time relaxing, cooking good food and
enjoying the company of friends.I agree with another poster who said dinghy sailing is where
the “fun” of sailing is. I’d add that, sailing exhilaration-wise, the
first time you really get a perfect day and you get a sailboard up on
a full blast plane, just the last foot of the tail touching the
water, your butt about 6" off the water, the whole board just
skipping off the tops of the waves, even finally getting overpowered
and physically flung about 20 feet by the sail as you and the whole
board crash and burn, …the feel of raw power, acceleration and
speed is laugh-out-loud overwhelming. THAT’S fun. “Sit-down”
sailing, especially bigger boat sit-down sailing, is more of an inner
fun.Still, I will add what I think is a universal Freedom “Nothin’-But-
Fun” statement:Gunmount spinnakers are FUN: A spinnaker that you are actually
willing to fly is worth 1000 spinnakers that stay forever in the bag.
Even singlehanded, as soon as I’m a bit off the wind mine goes up and
the boat leaps to life and steers with the touch of a finger on the
wheel. It never gets old. I get a dopey grin every time.Rick
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Make sure you remind us next spring. It really is easy.
TW
At 07:14 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote:
Rick
One day when we closer to the new sail season I would like to hear
the ins and outs of gunmount and how to rig and fly the kite. Right
now I know I have a spinnaker, pole, and a gunmount but not sure I
have all the rigging.Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rick_simonds
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Are Freedom Yachts as fun as they look?— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“Freeman Dodsworth”
<freemandodsworth@…> wrote:Hi all,
I lurk around here while I look for a new boat. Perhaps a F32 or
F33
if I can find the right one. My question for you is simple: Are
the
Freedoms as much fun to sail as a sloop/cutter or ketch? Can you
get
the thrill of the drive that a big genny gives you? Are the cat
ketches and sloops simply too easy to be really exhilerating? Or
are
they as much darn fun as they look to be? Silly question. But
still…
Thanks again.Freeman
“Fun” is subjective and everyone will find it in a different boat. I
get a lot of satisfaction that my boat essentially sails itself with
minimum fuss. I spend my time relaxing, cooking good food and
enjoying the company of friends.I agree with another poster who said dinghy sailing is where
the “fun” of sailing is. I’d add that, sailing exhilaration-wise, the
first time you really get a perfect day and you get a sailboard up on
a full blast plane, just the last foot of the tail touching the
water, your butt about 6" off the water, the whole board just
skipping off the tops of the waves, even finally getting overpowered
and physically flung about 20 feet by the sail as you and the whole
board crash and burn, …the feel of raw power, acceleration and
speed is laugh-out-loud overwhelming. THAT’S fun. “Sit-down”
sailing, especially bigger boat sit-down sailing, is more of an inner
fun.Still, I will add what I think is a universal Freedom “Nothin’-But-
Fun” statement:Gunmount spinnakers are FUN: A spinnaker that you are actually
willing to fly is worth 1000 spinnakers that stay forever in the bag.
Even singlehanded, as soon as I’m a bit off the wind mine goes up and
the boat leaps to life and steers with the touch of a finger on the
wheel. It never gets old. I get a dopey grin every time.Rick
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