Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of the
sail.
Many thanks.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)
I have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air
asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known what
its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked about its
uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I generally
use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite a
help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker poll
when needed.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
There’s a great write-up in the latest Practical Sailor about “A-
Sails,” various styles, and the costs associated. I got the impression
from the article that most of the lofts would semi-custom design an
asym for any cruising boat, but I would imagine you’d really want to
consider quality running backs on an unstayed mast.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I’ve read the article. I’m not keen on having to use running backstays and I’m getting conflicting advice on the need for them.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:06 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker
There’s a great write-up in the latest Practical Sailor about “A-Sails,” various styles, and the costs associated. I got the impression from the article that most of the lofts would semi-custom design an asym for any cruising boat, but I would imagine you’d really want to consider quality running backs on an unstayed mast.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the increase > in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the > laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker on > an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be > interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of the > sail.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed luff light air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical. http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightAirSailVariety.htm
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurkiSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker
I have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known what its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked about its uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I generally use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite a help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker poll when needed.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the increase > in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the > laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker on > an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be > interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of the > sail.> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>
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Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)
Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that.
The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the fixed
headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked to
the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on the
sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.
Jim
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed luff
light
air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.
http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightA
ir
SailVariety.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerI have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air
asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known
what
its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked about
its
uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I
generally
use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite a
help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker
poll
when needed.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the
increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker
on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of
the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
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Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)
Ooops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mdurki” <vaughan@…>
wrote:
Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that.
The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the fixed
headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked to
the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on the
sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.Jim
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed luff
light
air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.
http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightA
ir
SailVariety.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerI have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air
asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known
what
its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked
about
its
uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I
generally
use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite
a
help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker
poll
when needed.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the
increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus
the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical
spinnaker
on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of
the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
If there are no hanks on the sail, then I suspect you are not supposed to hank it to the headstay. Perhaps it has a stiff luff rope like the G-0 and flies free.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurkiSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:51 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker
Ooops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mdurki” <vaughan@…> wrote:>> Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that. > > The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the fixed > headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked to > the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on the > sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.> > Jim> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed luff > light> > air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.> > > http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightA> ir> > SailVariety.htm> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurki> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > > > > > I have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air > > asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known > what > > its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked about > its > > uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I > generally > > use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite a > > help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker > poll > > when needed.> > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > <ajlorman@>> > > > wrote:> > >> > > I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the > increase > > > in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus the > > > laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical spinnaker > on > > > an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be > > > interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of > the > > > sail.> > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > Al Lorman> > > F30 Ab Initio> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and > (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> >>
Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)
Al,
I have an asymmetrical spinnaker on my F-30, bought from Rolly
Tasker sails (but you can easily get one from any sail loft). It
uses a spinnaker halyard on a sheave just above the jib halyard (as
opposed to flying it from the masthead). I tie a short line to the
tack, which I lead through the bow roller to a cleat at the bow. It
is quite effective in light air (I kept up with a Valiant 39 when
sailing north from Eleuthera in May)) but I don’t put on both
sheets. When I jibe, I simply lower the sock over the sail and bring
it over the forestay with the sheet, leading the sheet aft on the
other side. I run the sheet to a snatch block as far aft as
possible, and tie the sheet off on either the port or starboard side
winch.
Hope this helps.
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
If there are no hanks on the sail, then I suspect you are not
supposed
to hank it to the headstay. Perhaps it has a stiff luff rope like
the
G-0 and flies free.-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:51 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerOoops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “mdurki” <vaughan@>
wrote:Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that.
The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the
fixed
headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked
to
the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on
the
sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.Jim
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed
luff
light
air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.
http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLight
A
<http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLigh
tA>
ir
SailVariety.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerI have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light
air
asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never
known
what
its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked
about
its
uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I
generally
use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is
quite
a
help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a
whisker
poll
when needed.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the
increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus
the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical
spinnaker
on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d
be
interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions
of
the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Paul:
Very helpful, indeed. Do you happen to have a record of the dimensions of your sail? I have a heavy duty U bolt at the top of my mast and have a spare halyard connected to that. Your sail is obviously smaller than a sail that would run to the top of the mast, but that might be a fair exchange for not having to use running backstays.
Al
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker
Al,I have an asymmetrical spinnaker on my F-30, bought from Rolly Tasker sails (but you can easily get one from any sail loft). It uses a spinnaker halyard on a sheave just above the jib halyard (as opposed to flying it from the masthead). I tie a short line to the tack, which I lead through the bow roller to a cleat at the bow. It is quite effective in light air (I kept up with a Valiant 39 when sailing north from Eleuthera in May)) but I don’t put on both sheets. When I jibe, I simply lower the sock over the sail and bring it over the forestay with the sheet, leading the sheet aft on the other side. I run the sheet to a snatch block as far aft as possible, and tie the sheet off on either the port or starboard side winch.Hope this helps.Paul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> If there are no hanks on the sail, then I suspect you are not supposed> to hank it to the headstay. Perhaps it has a stiff luff rope like the> G-0 and flies free.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mdurki> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:51 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > Ooops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “mdurki” <vaughan@> > wrote:> >> > Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that. > > > > The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the fixed > > headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked to > > the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on the > > sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.> > > > Jim> > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > > <ajlorman@> wrote:> > >> > > According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed luff > > light> > > air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.> > > > > > http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightA> http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLightA> > > ir> > > SailVariety.htm> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mdurki> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM> > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > > > > > > > > > I have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light air > > > asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never known > > what > > > its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked > about > > its > > > uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I > > generally > > > use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is quite > a > > > help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a whisker > > poll > > > when needed.> > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > > <ajlorman@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the > > increase > > > > in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus > the > > > > laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical > spinnaker > > on > > > > an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d be > > > > interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions of > > the > > > > sail.> > > > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > > > Al Lorman> > > > F30 Ab Initio> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer > > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under > > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice > in > > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, > > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice > > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person > other > > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, > and > > (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers > > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor> > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > > If you have received this email in error please notify the system > > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> > >> >>
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “svbagatelle”
<svbagatelle@…> wrote:
Al,
I have an asymmetrical spinnaker on my F-30, bought from Rolly
Tasker sails (but you can easily get one from any sail loft).
Did someone mention Rolly Tasker?
We work with them extensively.
Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)
Al, no I’m sorry I don’t have the dimensions, they’re with the boat
(and I’m 2000 miles away …). But the sailmaker had no trouble
finding the correct size, given the boat’s E,P,I and J measurements.
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
Paul:
Very helpful, indeed. Do you happen to have a record of the
dimensions
of your sail? I have a heavy duty U bolt at the top of my mast
and have
a spare halyard connected to that. Your sail is obviously smaller
than
a sail that would run to the top of the mast, but that might be a
fair
exchange for not having to use running backstays.Al
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelle
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:27 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerAl,
I have an asymmetrical spinnaker on my F-30, bought from Rolly
Tasker sails (but you can easily get one from any sail loft). It
uses a spinnaker halyard on a sheave just above the jib halyard
(as
opposed to flying it from the masthead). I tie a short line to the
tack, which I lead through the bow roller to a cleat at the bow.
It
is quite effective in light air (I kept up with a Valiant 39 when
sailing north from Eleuthera in May)) but I don’t put on both
sheets. When I jibe, I simply lower the sock over the sail and
bring
it over the forestay with the sheet, leading the sheet aft on the
other side. I run the sheet to a snatch block as far aft as
possible, and tie the sheet off on either the port or starboard
side
winch.
Hope this helps.
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:If there are no hanks on the sail, then I suspect you are not
supposed
to hank it to the headstay. Perhaps it has a stiff luff rope
like
the
G-0 and flies free.-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:51 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerOoops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “mdurki”
<vaughan@>
wrote:Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that.
The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the
fixed
headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is
hanked
to
the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on
the
sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.Jim
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin
J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed
luff
light
air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.
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mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
mdurki
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnakerI have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light
air
asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never
known
what
its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked
about
its
uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I
generally
use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is
quite
a
help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a
whisker
poll
when needed.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@>wrote:
I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at
the
increase
in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker
(versus
the
laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical
spinnaker
on
an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d
be
interested to hear about your experience and the
diemnsions
of
the
sail.Many thanks.
Al Lorman
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Thanks, Paul.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:28 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker
Al, no I’m sorry I don’t have the dimensions, they’re with the boat (and I’m 2000 miles away …). But the sailmaker had no trouble finding the correct size, given the boat’s E,P,I and J measurements.Paul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Paul:> > Very helpful, indeed. Do you happen to have a record of the dimensions> of your sail? I have a heavy duty U bolt at the top of my mast and have> a spare halyard connected to that. Your sail is obviously smaller than> a sail that would run to the top of the mast, but that might be a fair> exchange for not having to use running backstays.> > Al> > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelle> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:27 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > Al,> I have an asymmetrical spinnaker on my F-30, bought from Rolly > Tasker sails (but you can easily get one from any sail loft). It > uses a spinnaker halyard on a sheave just above the jib halyard (as > opposed to flying it from the masthead). I tie a short line to the > tack, which I lead through the bow roller to a cleat at the bow. It > is quite effective in light air (I kept up with a Valiant 39 when > sailing north from Eleuthera in May)) but I don’t put on both > sheets. When I jibe, I simply lower the sock over the sail and bring > it over the forestay with the sheet, leading the sheet aft on the > other side. I run the sheet to a snatch block as far aft as > possible, and tie the sheet off on either the port or starboard side > winch.> Hope this helps.> Paul> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > If there are no hanks on the sail, then I suspect you are not > supposed> > to hank it to the headstay. Perhaps it has a stiff luff rope like > the> > G-0 and flies free.> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mdurki> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:51 PM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > > > > > Ooops, not the tack, that would be a little strange.> > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “mdurki” <vaughan@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Thanks, Al, I didn’t know that. > > > > > > The North site you reference says that it is hoisted on the > fixed > > > headstay. Do you interpret that to mean that the tack is hanked > to > > > the stay? I have always hoisted it free. There was no hank on > the > > > sail, but then I do not think it had ever been used.> > > > > > Jim> > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.” > > > <ajlorman@> wrote:> > > >> > > > According to the North Sails web site, a drifter is a fixed > luff > > > light> > > > air reaching sail. It is asymmetrical.> > > > > > > > > > http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLight> http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLight > A> > > http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLigh http://www.northsails.com/north_america/cruising_sails/SolutionsLigh > tA>> > > > > ir> > > > SailVariety.htm> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mdurki> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:12 AM> > > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Asymmetrical spinnaker> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have something called a Wind Drifter, which may be a light > air > > > > asymmetrical spinnaker=–I say “may” because I have never > known > > > what > > > > its classification is. I once wrote UK, the maker, and asked > > about > > > its > > > > uses and they emphasised that it was only for light air. I > > > generally > > > > use it in winds less than 10 kts, and in those winds it is > quite > > a > > > > help. I added a ring to the boomkicker collar and use a > whisker > > > poll > > > > when needed.> > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com > > > > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , “ajlorman” > > > <ajlorman@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > I helped deliver a J-109 last week and I was stunned at the > > > increase > > > > > in speed when we launched the asymmetrical spinnaker (versus > > the > > > > > laminate racing genoa). Has anyone put an asymmetrical > > spinnaker > > > on > > > > > an F30? (I know it won’t make the F30 a J-109.) If so, I’d > be > > > > > interested to hear about your experience and the diemnsions > of > > > the > > > > > sail.> > > > > > > > > > Many thanks.> > > > > > > > > > Al Lorman> > > > > F30 Ab Initio> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax > > > matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, > > > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any > taxpayer > > > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed > under > > > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax > advice > > in > > > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other > entity, > > > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the > advice > > > was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person > > other > > > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or > matter, > > and > > > (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers > > > particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor> > > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended > solely > > > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > > > If you have received this email in error please notify the > system > > > manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not > > > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> > > >> > >> >>