Posted by Helmut Flintrop (dr.flintrop@…>)
Hi,
I am the new owner of the FR44 IVORY GOOSE Mike Capel mentioned he sailed last week end. Before purchasing the FR44 I sailed the FR35CB ”FLOODTIDE” for 24 years which I ordered in 1981at the London boat show. The included photos of the FR35CB “Samiel” I made a few days after first rigging the through battened sails without using a track. Trim could be better and today after some years experience they are optimal trimmed and ”Samiel” is extremely fast.
Helmut Flintrop
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian MacphersonGesendet: Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 11:09An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigHello MichelCan you please tell me how to find the pics of Samielon this board?I’m about to convert my F40CC to a Wylie system and amvery interested in this whole subject.RegardsIan Macpherson— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:---------------------------------Philip,I like your plan! I did not try it myself because Isold my F33/35 CK beforehand, but if you indeed follow the ideas ofTom Wylie (of Wyliecat) you must be able to build a high performancerig. If you select your track and cars carefully, you must be ableto swing out your sails far enough, i.e. forward of the mast. Makesure you let the sails build by someone with experience withunstayed rigs; the mast bend is different and therefore the roach isaffected in a different way when the wind pipes up. Let us know whatyou decide, I’m sure there are many more catketch ownersinterested in rig improvements beyond the ordinary conversion toconventional booms. Last weekend I had a sail on a F44 with conventionalbooms and I was amazed by the forces exerted on the boom kicker. Usingthe wishbones, these forces are different and I wouldthink far less than with booms. During this same sailing event(European Freedom Meeting in the Netherlands) there was an F33/35 CKwith a revolutionary rig (see pics of S/Y Samiel on thisboard) that almost kept up with two F44’s ! Good luck.Mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “spjwpja”<spjwpja@y…> wrote:> I have the old wrap around sails on my cat ketch.The main problem is > ease of handling and stowing. Also relatively poorperformance. To > solve these problems with the rig I plan to keep thewishbone booms, > add track and fully battened sails with large roach.I would rig the > wishbone like on a tanton or wyliecat; this could beachieved by > simply turning the most 180 degress and using theboom lift > attachments (thanks Mike Capel for the idea). Thelarge roach should > add lift with reduced drag = more power.> > I can see very few problems with this plan althoughperhaps I will not > be able to swing the boom so far forward of the beam- but this seems > a minor problems since they should still be possibleto swing to over > 90 degress.> > Is there any problem with this plan and has anyoneelse tried this?> > Philip --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service. ---------------------------------
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Posted by Helmut Flintrop (dr.flintrop@…>)
Hi,
I too can’t open the photos folder since some days. The photos enclosed to my e-mail from Sept. 2nd are not on the folder.
Helmut Flintrop
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian MacphersonGesendet: Samstag, 3. September 2005 08:19An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigI have forwarded you the photos that Dr. Flintropsent. I’m not having much luck opening the Photos folder onour newsgroup page, and it seems from the messagesthat it is not just me. Is anyone in charge of lookingafter it? Are Dr. Flintrop’s photos of Samiel these same onesthat Michel Capel was referring to as being in thePhotos folder?
Posted by Helmut Flintrop (dr.flintrop@…>)
Philip,
You will have seen that Gio Schouten will post a technicaldescription of the sails on this board.He tries to add some drawings.If there remain questions you better contact hem.He has the expeariance with the sails.
Helmut
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von spjwpjaGesendet: Sonntag, 4. September 2005 13:45An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigHelmut,Thanks. I was sent the pictures which look great. Can I ask you a few questions about the rig: (1) How do you fit the leach reefing lines - are they run along the wishbone booms, then down the mast and back along the cabin top to the cockpit? (2) Do you have two reefs in the main? (3) Is the luff reinforced with wire? (4) Are there some kind of loops that keep the luff of the sail attached to the mast? (5) I guess that with the larger roach you get a good performance to windward? Thanks for any advise on this. Philip Prof Philip Asherson MRCPsych, Phd Box P080 MRC Social Genetic Developmental Psychiatry Institute of Psychiatry King’s College London De Crespigny Park London, UK SE5 8AF Telephone: 44 20 7848 0078 (Office) 44 20 7848 5363 (Administration) -----“Ian Macpherson” <i.mac@…> wrote: ----- To: <p.asherson@…> From: “Ian Macpherson” <i.mac@…> Date: 09/03/2005 07:19AM Subject: Freedom photos Let?s hope these work, Ian — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Helmut Flintrop” <dr.flintrop@f…> wrote:> Hi,> > I am the new owner of the FR44 IVORY GOOSE Mike Capel mentioned he> sailed last week end. Before purchasing the FR44 I sailed the FR35CB> “FLOODTIDE” for 24 years which I ordered in 1981at the London boat show.> The included photos of the FR35CB “Samiel” I made a few days after first> rigging the through battened sails without using a track. Trim could be> better and today after some years experience they are optimal trimmed> and “Samiel” is extremely fast.> > > > Helmut Flintrop> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----> Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian Macpherson> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 11:09> An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Betreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rig> > > Hello Michel> > Can you please tell me how to find the pics of Samiel> on this board?> > I’m about to convert my F40CC to a Wylie system and am> very interested in this whole subject.> > Regards> > Ian Macpherson> > > — Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:> > > ---------------------------------> Philip,> > I like your plan! I did not try it myself because I> sold my F33/35 > CK beforehand, but if you indeed follow the ideas of> Tom Wylie (of > Wyliecat) you must be able to build a high performance> rig. If you > select your track and cars carefully, you must be able> to swing out > your sails far enough, i.e. forward of the mast. Make> sure you let > the sails build by someone with experience with> unstayed rigs; the > mast bend is different and therefore the roach is> affected in a > different way when the wind pipes up. Let us know what> you decide, > I’m sure there are many more catketch owners> interested in rig > improvements beyond the ordinary conversion to> conventional booms. > Last weekend I had a sail on a F44 with conventional> booms and I was > amazed by the forces exerted on the boom kicker. Using> the > wishbones, these forces are different and I would> think far less > than with booms. During this same sailing event> (European Freedom > Meeting in the Netherlands) there was an F33/35 CK> with a > revolutionary rig (see pics of S/Y Samiel on this> board) that almost > kept up with two F44’s ! > > Good luck.> > Mike> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “spjwpja”> <spjwpja@y…> > wrote:> > I have the old wrap around sails on my cat ketch.> The main problem > is > > ease of handling and stowing. Also relatively poor> performance. To > > solve these problems with the rig I plan to keep the> wishbone > booms, > > add track and fully battened sails with large roach.> I would rig > the > > wishbone like on a tanton or wyliecat; this could be> achieved by > > simply turning the most 180 degress and using the> boom lift > > attachments (thanks Mike Capel for the idea). 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Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Good Morning Dr Fintrop, I also purchased a freedom 35 CHAMELA in england in 1982. I bought it thru John Oakley, and sailed with him as he set up the rig. Ive lost touch with Mr Oakley and was wondering if you might know how to reach him.If so please let me know. Thank you. Jack on CHAMELAHelmut Flintrop <dr.flintrop@…> wrote:
Hi,
I am the new owner of the FR44 IVORY GOOSE Mike Capel mentioned he sailed last week end. Before purchasing the FR44 I sailed the FR35CB ”FLOODTIDE” for 24 years which I ordered in 1981at the London boat show. The included photos of the FR35CB “Samiel” I made a few days after first rigging the through battened sails without using a track. Trim could be better and today after some years experience they are optimal
trimmed and ”Samiel” is extremely fast.
Helmut Flintrop
-----UrsprÝngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian MacphersonGesendet: Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 11:09An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigHello MichelCan you please tell me how to find the pics of Samielon this board?I’m about to convert my F40CC to a Wylie system and amvery interested in this whole subject.RegardsIan Macpherson— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:---------------------------------Philip,I like your plan! I did not try it myself because Isold my F33/35 CK beforehand, but if you
indeed follow the ideas ofTom Wylie (of Wyliecat) you must be able to build a high performancerig. If you select your track and cars carefully, you must be ableto swing out your sails far enough, i.e. forward of the mast. Makesure you let the sails build by someone with experience withunstayed rigs; the mast bend is different and therefore the roach isaffected in a different way when the wind pipes up. Let us know whatyou decide, I’m sure there are many more catketch ownersinterested in rig improvements beyond the ordinary conversion toconventional booms. Last weekend I had a sail on a F44 with conventionalbooms and I was amazed by the forces exerted on the boom kicker. Usingthe wishbones, these forces are different and I wouldthink far less than with booms. During this same sailing event(European Freedom Meeting in the Netherlands) there was an F33/35 CKwith a
revolutionary rig (see pics of S/Y Samiel on thisboard) that almost kept up with two F44’s ! Good luck.Mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “spjwpja”<spjwpja@y…> wrote:> I have the old wrap around sails on my cat ketch.The main problem is > ease of handling and stowing. Also relatively poorperformance. To > solve these problems with the rig I plan to keep thewishbone booms, > add track and fully battened sails with large roach.I would rig the > wishbone like on a tanton or wyliecat; this could beachieved by > simply turning the most 180 degress and using theboom lift > attachments (thanks Mike Capel for the idea). Thelarge roach should > add lift with reduced drag = more power.> > I can see very few problems with this plan althoughperhaps I will not > be able to swing the boom so far forward of
the beam- but this seems > a minor problems since they should still be possibleto swing to over > 90 degress.> > Is there any problem with this plan and has anyoneelse tried this?> > Philip --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service. ---------------------------------
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