Posted by Mark (mtq69@…>)
I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?
Posted by Tricia (tcoldren@…>)
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays. They’re vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’ above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that holds the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass through blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on a sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the coaming instead of winches.
Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging applies only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.
Tricia
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 07:05 US/Pacific, Mark wrote:
I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?Yahoo! Groups Links
Posted by mark thompson (mtq69@…>)
Thanks for the information. What is a wingmast? I
thought all 25’s were alike. I called the Freedom
support line, and the person there said “some boats
have them some do not”.
I was also wondering about a mast boot. The boot on
mine leaks. I do not know what it really is suppose to
look like, and I was told the part is not avaliable.
Do you know what it looks like?
— Tricia <tcoldren@…> wrote:
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays. They’re
vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’
above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that holds
the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass through
blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the
cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on a
sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the coaming
instead of winches.Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this
group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging applies
only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.Tricia
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 07:05 US/Pacific, Mark
wrote:I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is
equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up
the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay
when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by Tricia (tcoldren@…>)
A wingmast is one that swivels and its foil shaped, rather than round,
so it is essentially the leading edge of the sail. Apparently in a high
wind, you can sail the boat on just the mast, given control lines for
trimming. It has a wheel bearing in its base. I have yet to lift mine,
but the time is coming. Earlier F25s, if I understand correctly, had
the wingmast, and later ones didn’t.
My mast boot is a molded rubbery/plastic type affair. It has a flare in
it to fit over the mast tube that extends just above the partners. It’s
pretty chewed up, so I’ve wrapped it in self-amalgamating mast boot
tape. It’s hard (impossible?) to get a smooth wrap with the taper in
the mast, but the tape does keep the water out.
Which mast do you have?
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 11:19 US/Pacific, mark thompson wrote:
Thanks for the information. What is a wingmast? I
thought all 25’s were alike. I called the Freedom
support line, and the person there said “some boats
have them some do not”.
I was also wondering about a mast boot. The boot on
mine leaks. I do not know what it really is suppose to
look like, and I was told the part is not avaliable.
Do you know what it looks like?— Tricia <tcoldren@…> wrote:
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays. They’re
vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’
above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that holds
the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass through
blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the
cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on a
sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the coaming
instead of winches.Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this
group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging applies
only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.Tricia
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 07:05 US/Pacific, Mark
wrote:I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is
equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up
the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay
when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by gaprior@… (gaprior@…)
I have a 1984 F-25. It has a round mast with no backstays. I have the gunmount
spinnaker
system, but I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.
I’m looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a model and make some
fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…
-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, mark thompson <mtq69@y…> wrote:
Thanks for the information. What is a wingmast? I
thought all 25’s were alike. I called the Freedom
support line, and the person there said “some boats
have them some do not”.
I was also wondering about a mast boot. The boot on
mine leaks. I do not know what it really is suppose to
look like, and I was told the part is not avaliable.
Do you know what it looks like?— Tricia <tcoldren@a…> wrote:
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays. They’re
vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’
above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that holds
the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass through
blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the
cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on a
sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the coaming
instead of winches.Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this
group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging applies
only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.Tricia
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 07:05 US/Pacific, Mark
wrote:I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is
equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up
the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay
when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by Tricia (tcoldren@…>)
Greg,
A number of us are missing the chute scoop. If you find one and make
some copies, would you consider posting here and selling them?
Thanks,
Tricia
On Sunday, Sep 19, 2004, at 18:45 US/Pacific, gaprior@…
wrote:
I have a 1984 F-25. It has a round mast with no backstays. I have the
gunmount spinnaker
system, but I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.I’m looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a model and
make some
fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, mark thompson <mtq69@y…>
wrote:Thanks for the information. What is a wingmast? I
thought all 25’s were alike. I called the Freedom
support line, and the person there said “some boats
have them some do not”.
I was also wondering about a mast boot. The boot on
mine leaks. I do not know what it really is suppose to
look like, and I was told the part is not avaliable.
Do you know what it looks like?— Tricia <tcoldren@a…> wrote:
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays. They’re
vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’
above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that holds
the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass through
blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the
cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on a
sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the coaming
instead of winches.Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this
group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging applies
only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.Tricia
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 07:05 US/Pacific, Mark
wrote:I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is
equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set up
the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay
when under sail. This
boat does not have a backstay. It it missing?Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by mark thompson (mtq69@…>)
It seems I have the round mast. Thanks again… I’m
still learning.
— Tricia <tcoldren@…> wrote:
A wingmast is one that swivels and its foil shaped,
rather than round,
so it is essentially the leading edge of the sail.
Apparently in a high
wind, you can sail the boat on just the mast, given
control lines for
trimming. It has a wheel bearing in its base. I have
yet to lift mine,
but the time is coming. Earlier F25s, if I
understand correctly, had
the wingmast, and later ones didn’t.My mast boot is a molded rubbery/plastic type
affair. It has a flare in
it to fit over the mast tube that extends just above
the partners. It’s
pretty chewed up, so I’ve wrapped it in
self-amalgamating mast boot
tape. It’s hard (impossible?) to get a smooth wrap
with the taper in
the mast, but the tape does keep the water out.Which mast do you have?
On Friday, Sep 17, 2004, at 11:19 US/Pacific, mark
thompson wrote:Thanks for the information. What is a wingmast? I
thought all 25’s were alike. I called the Freedom
support line, and the person there said “some
boats
have them some do not”.
I was also wondering about a mast boot. The boot
on
mine leaks. I do not know what it really is
suppose to
look like, and I was told the part is not
avaliable.
Do you know what it looks like?— Tricia <tcoldren@…> wrote:
Mark, my Freedom 25 has 2 running backstays.
They’re
vinyl covered wire
from the top with a rope tail starting about 6’
above the deck. The
top ends are attached to the same shackle that
holds
the block for the
spinnaker halyard, and the lower ends pass
through
blocks attached to
the base of the stanchions just forward of the
cockpit, leading to
winches and cleats where jib winches would be on
a
sloop. I think I’ve
seen some boats that have cam cleats on the
coaming
instead of winches.Check the F25 manuals on the files page of this
group’s homepage. I see
a note there that the running back rigging
applies
only to boats with
the wingmast. Hmmm.Tricia
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Mark
wrote:I just purchased a Freedom 25. This boat is
equipped with a
spinnaker. Looking through the procedure to set
up
the spinnaker,I
noticed it is important to tension the backstay
when under sail. This
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Posted by gaprior@… (gaprior@…)
Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute
scoops”-
I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands on
one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I don’t
even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the
mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…
-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia <tcoldren@a…>
wrote:
Greg,
A number of us are missing the chute scoop. If you find one and
make
some copies, would you consider posting here and selling them?Thanks,
TriciaOn Sunday, Sep 19, 2004, at 18:45 US/Pacific, gaprior@i…
wrote:
==============snip===================
I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.
I’m looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a
model and
make some
fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…
Posted by Barbara Campbell (barbaranadinecampbell@…>)
I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t find one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably fairly easy.
On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had to pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might be involved? Thanks
Barbgaprior@… wrote:
Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute scoops”-I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands on one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I don’t even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…-Greg— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia <tcoldren@a…> wrote:> Greg,> > A number of us are missing the chute scoop. If you find one and make > some copies, would you consider posting here and selling them?> > Thanks,> Tricia> > On Sunday, Sep 19, 2004, at 18:45 US/Pacific, gaprior@i… > wrote:> ==============snip===================I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.>
I’m looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a model and > > make some> > fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals
Posted by Tricia (tcoldren@…>)
There’s a former F25 owner in Oregon who did it. Write to
<chaos5@…> and tell him Tricia gave you his email address.
Where on the Island are you? I’m in Vancouver and another F25 owner is
moving here this fall. Maybe we could get a local plastics shop to make
a few chute scoops so we wouldn’t have to pay $US.
Tricia
On Monday, Sep 20, 2004, at 14:37 US/Pacific, Barbara Campbell wrote:
I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t find
one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably fairly
easy.
On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had to
pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might be
involved? Thanks
Barbgaprior@… wrote:
Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute
scoops”-I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands on
one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I don’t
even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the
mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia <tcoldren@a…>
wrote:Greg,
A number of us are missing the chute scoop. If you find one and
make
some copies, would you consider posting here and selling them?Thanks,
TriciaOn Sunday, Sep 19, 2004, at 18:45 US/Pacific, gaprior@i…
wrote:==============snip===================
I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.I’m looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a
model and
make some
fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…
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Posted by gaprior@… (gaprior@…)
Hi Barb-
Thanks for the generous offer. It’s great to have a community of
Freedom owners like this one. If I can’t find one closer, I’ll
contact you.
You can check the old Freedom archives at:
http://objec003.speed.planet.nl/oldboard/index.html
Search for ‘wing bearing’. The first hit on the list had the
manufacturer, part number, etc. for the bearing. Also check postings
by ‘Rich Green’. He posted extensive information, including photos
(although I’m not sure they survived the forum transplant) on
repairing/upgrading his wing mast and other goodies F-25. Some of the
posts get into spam stuff which is why the forum was dumped by
Freedom. 
-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Campbell
<barbaranadinecampbell@y…> wrote:
I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t
find one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably
fairly easy.
On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had to
pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might be
involved? Thanks
Barbgaprior@i… wrote:
Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute
scoops”-I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands
on
one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I
don’t
even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the
mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…-Greg
=================== snip ======================
Posted by gaprior@… (gaprior@…)
Hi Tricia (and Barb)-
This sounds great. I wasn’t sure if I would have the time to do the
mold making and fiberglass layup, so my backup plan was to take it to
a couple of people I know that I think could do this. If you go ahead
with the project, let me know. I would like to chip in on the mold
making and get a ‘scoop’.
-Greg
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia <tcoldren@a…>
wrote:
There’s a former F25 owner in Oregon who did it. Write to
<chaos5@v…> and tell him Tricia gave you his email address.Where on the Island are you? I’m in Vancouver and another F25 owner
is
moving here this fall. Maybe we could get a local plastics shop to
make
a few chute scoops so we wouldn’t have to pay $US.Tricia
On Monday, Sep 20, 2004, at 14:37 US/Pacific, Barbara Campbell
wrote:I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t
find
one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably
fairly
easy.
On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had
to
pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might
be
involved? Thanks
Barbgaprior@i… wrote:
Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute
scoops”-I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my
hands on
one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I
don’t
even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize
the
mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…-Greg
===================== snip ===================
Posted by Barbara Campbell (barbaranadinecampbell@…>)
Hi Tricia,
I’m in Nanaimo. You’re more than welcome to use mine to copy, perhaps Industrial Plastics might be a place to start? If you want I can find out if they can do it and what they might charge.
BarbTricia <tcoldren@…> wrote:
There’s a former F25 owner in Oregon who did it. Write to and tell him Tricia gave you his email address.Where on the Island are you? I’m in Vancouver and another F25 owner is moving here this fall. Maybe we could get a local plastics shop to make a few chute scoops so we wouldn’t have to pay $US.TriciaOn Monday, Sep 20, 2004, at 14:37 US/Pacific, Barbara Campbell wrote:> I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t find > one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably fairly > easy.> On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had to > pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might be > involved? Thanks> Barb>> gaprior@… wrote:>> Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without
bow-mounted fiberglass “chute> scoops”->> I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands on> one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I don’t> even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the> mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…>> -Greg>> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia > wrote:> > Greg,> >> > A number of us are missing the chute scoop. If you find one and> make> > some copies, would you consider posting here and selling them?> >> > Thanks,> > Tricia> >> > On Sunday, Sep 19, 2004, at 18:45 US/Pacific, gaprior@i…> > wrote:> >>> ==============snip===================> I’m missing the fiberglass “chute scoop”.> > >> > > I’m
looking for one to buy, or one to borrow so I can make a> model and> > > make some> > > fiberglass copies. I’m in San Jose if anyone knows of one…>>>>>>> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>> • To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/> > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.>Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals
Posted by Barbara Campbell (barbaranadinecampbell@…>)
Hi Greg,
I’m going to see what a fabricating shop here says and will let you know.
Barbgaprior@… wrote:
Hi Tricia (and Barb)-This sounds great. I wasn’t sure if I would have the time to do the mold making and fiberglass layup, so my backup plan was to take it to a couple of people I know that I think could do this. If you go ahead with the project, let me know. I would like to chip in on the mold making and get a ‘scoop’.-Greg— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tricia <tcoldren@a…> wrote:> There’s a former F25 owner in Oregon who did it. Write to > <chaos5@v…> and tell him Tricia gave you his email address.> > Where on the Island are you? I’m in Vancouver and another F25 owner is > moving here this fall. Maybe we could get a local plastics shop to make > a few chute scoops so we wouldn’t have to pay $US.> > Tricia> > On Monday, Sep 20, 2004,
at 14:37 US/Pacific, Barbara Campbell wrote:> > > I have one here on vancouver island you could borrow if you can’t find > > one any closer. I haven’t removed it before but its probably fairly > > easy.> > On another note, has anyone with an F25 with wing mast ever had to > > pull it out to replace the wheel bearing, or know of what might be > > involved? Thanks> > Barb> >> > gaprior@i… wrote:> >> > Hi Tircia and all F-25ers without bow-mounted fiberglass “chute> > scoops”-> >> > I’d be glad to make them available… If I could just get my hands on> > one to use as a pattern (no dammage to original, of course). I don’t> > even want to make any money at it. It would be nice to amortize the> > mold cost across several users. Let me know if you find one…> >>
-Greg> >===================== snip ===================Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals