Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
I believe I may have been given erroneous information by the
previous owner, especially based on what you, Norm, and Michel have
indicated. My apologies. Jay, your system sounds close to what I
have, although “self tailing” in my case is just a reversible winch.
Thanks for the info!
Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg
<nfriberg@…> wrote:
Thanks Jay. I had a feeling I was lifting more than plastic!
----- Original Message -----
From: svfantasy@…
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston
Harbor
Lance/Norm,
I own an F-40 CK 1981, hull # 60, My centerboard winch is an
Barient 27-48 (self-tailing) mounted just port of the companionway
hatch. I have 1/2 " double braid line running from the winch to the
thimble on the centerboard. I had the yard replace it when I
purchased the boat two years ago. It just takes a few turns to raise
the board, and its fairly easy. Just to clarify, the board on the F-
40 is weighted significantly. I’ve been trying to determine the
weight of the board,however, I’ve not been successful in finding
this info. While hauled out, it is obvious the board weighs in
excess of 500 lbs, and the construction is cast iron with glass
over, at least that is what I was told.
Jay
“Fantasy” F40 CK
San Francisco Bay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Friberg"
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on
Boston Harbor
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:12:57 -0400
Lance,
Yes, I'm interested in seeing your system, and also how your
dodger is set up.
Many Thanks,
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: lance_ryley
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston
Harbor
Norm,
if you're interested, I'll take some pictures of my
arrangement,
which seems entirely different from yours, also from a
Freedom 40 CK.
In the case of Bright Star, the centerboard winch is mounted
next to
the companionway where you can get at it from the cockpit.
Our
pennant is cord all the way to the board, but is spliced
into nylon
webbing that actually wraps around the winch. we use a short-
handled
winch handle (so it doesn't smack the dodger plexiglass),
and I
can't say I've ever had a problem getting the centerboard up.
I may be wrong, but I believe that the centerboard in the 40
is
pretty much neutral buoyancy, as opposed to the 33/35, where
they
put some ballast in its construction.
If you'd like to see the layout, let me know and I'll send
some
pictures along.
Lance
Bright Star
--- In <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>, Norm Friberg
<nfriberg@> wrote:
>
> Michel,
>
> The knob attachment might be a good idea. I am also
looking into
the idea of the right-angle electric drill with the winch
bit. I
have to take some measurements to see if it will fit. Maybe
the
thinner line would also help. The position of the winch is
forward
of the mizzen, but it is up higher so you can be sitting of
nealing
on the forward cockpit seat (bridge deck?). Not so
uncomfortable.
>
> The extra block purchase is also a good idea if I can work
out how
to do it. Thanks for the ideas.
>
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michel.capel
> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:31 AM
> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on
Boston
Harbor
>
>
> Norm,
> If I understand you, your CB winch is forward of the
mizzen?? so
you
> have to crouch on deck to manhandle it? Not an easy task,
with
this
> funky T-ford steering wheel! Perhaps if you mount a
handhold on
the
> wheel, like they have on tractors, that would help a bit
swirling
> the wheel around.
>
> I replaced the pennant on my F33/35 a few years ago with 5
mm
> Dyneema line in stead of the line+wire combination. It
made the
> board a lot easier to lift.
>
> A few years before that, I put in some extra blocks to
increase
the
> purchase on the CB. I had to do 80 turns to fully lift the
450
kg
> of the CB. Still a bear, but good for the biceps. It also
convinced
> me to finally quit smoking.
>
> Michel
>
> --- In <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>, Norm Friberg
> <nfriberg@> wrote:
> >
> > Lance,
> >
> > It's an old bronze winch mounted horizontally. I think
you
would
> call it reversable. Clockwise is always up,
counterclockwise is
> always down, and there is a ratcheting brake mechanism.
Since
the
> winch is only a few inches forward of the mizzen mast, a
normal
> winch handle won't fit. There is a circular handle that
actually
> looks like the steering wheel off an old car, but isn't.
Only
about
> 25 turns gets the board from full up to full down. A
longer
lever
> arm (winch handle) would be nice but there is little room.
The
> original pendant (pennant?) had a wire section spliced
into the
> winch end and was attached to the winch drum by a set
screw. As
I
> didn't have a spliced-wire option at the time, my new
pennant is
> held onto the drum by friction- ie. it's wrapped around
itself.
I
> added five feet of line to make sure it wouldn't slip.
> >
> > The new pennant (pendant?) hasn't made lifting the board
any
> easier, which leads me to wonder about the condition of
the
> centerboard hinge. I have not yet figured out how to
access this
> for checking. During my amateur diving under the boat, the
block
> that the pennant (I give up) runs through seemed to be in
good
shape
> and turned easliy.
> >
> > Reading Garry Hoyt's book about how sailing should be
easier
leads
> me to wonder what he was smoking when he came up with this
> arrangement. Nevertheless, it's only a minor
inconvenience. I
love
> my boat anyway.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Norm Friberg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: lance_ryley
> > To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:58 AM
> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on
Boston
> Harbor
> >
> >
> > Norm,
> > has it gotten easier to raise the centerboard since you
replaced
> the
> > pennant? Also, what kind of lifting arrangement do you
have?
> Bright
> > Star has a reversible winch (I think it was a halyard
winch
from
> an
> > Atlantic at one time) and I've never had a problem
lifting the
> > board, even when under sail.
> >
> > Just curious to hear what may be happening with yours...
> >
> > Lance
> >
> > --- In <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>, Norm Friberg
> > <nfriberg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This discussion is very interesting, guys. First, let
me say
> that
> > I had a delightful day holding my breath underwater in
an oily
> > marina replacing the center board pendant on my F40CK a
few
> weeks
> > ago. What fun! At least the section of the hull that my
body
> > rubbed against is now clean.
> > >
> > > Regarding the use of the centerboard (is it one word
or
two?)
> I
> > have found in the first few months of sailing her that
the
board
> > does affect heeling angle and maneuvering ability; she
heels
> less
> > and turns more readily with the board down. However,
having
said
> > that, don't try motoring into the marina at low tide
with the
> board
> > still down. My poor little diesel was cranking its 28-
year-old
> > heart out, but the brakes were ON. And what a bear
cranking
that
> > board back up!
> > >
> > > I have also been relieved, and even favorably
impressed, at
> the
> > pointing ability of the boat, after hearing, on this
news
board
> and
> > elsewhere, that Freedom Cat-Ketches don't sail to
windward. My
> > experience on Long Island Sound this past summer is
that,
given
> at
> > least 10 knots of wind, she will tack in about 100
degrees,
that
> is,
> > 50 degrees to either side of the wind. While not exactly
> Americas
> > Cup standards, perfectly adequate for my needs. She sure
takes
> her
> > time coming about, however. A real "gentleman's tack" as
my
> friend
> > put it.
> > >
> > > Regards to all,
> > > Norm Friberg
> > > SV Freyja
> > >
> >
>