Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Has
anyone used the “Boomkicker” (www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It
seems to me that lacking a boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve
got a lethal instrument flying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to
rely on lazyjacks to support the boom – thoughts and other solutions most
welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS
Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern from Baltimore –
I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the AC’s
going and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!


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Posted by T (fairways31@…>)
i recommend the Guarhauler (sp) solid vang. they will make u a collar for the mast not much $$$$$$. get the up size springsron barr <rwhb@…> wrote: Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” (www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument flying around when lowering the
sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to support the boom – thoughts and other solutions most welcome!! Ron Newport RI PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern from Baltimore – I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508 recent post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the AC’s going and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck bar was also
playing up which was somewhat annoying!!
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Posted by jlittle@… (jlittle@…)
The Garhauer rigid vangs are great, but before and if you go for one you might want to read my post #187 on the subject.

John----- Original Message -----From: ron barr Date: Thursday, October 4, 2007 1:17 pmSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weatherTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” ( > www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that > lacking a> boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal > instrumentflying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant > to rely on lazyjacks to> support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!> > > > Ron > > > > Newport RI> > > > PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New > Bern from> Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per > rweeks6508 recent> post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the > AC’s going> and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the > after deck bar> was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!> > > >

Posted by twales@… (twales@…>)

Hi Ron,
You can spend the money on a boom kicker or a solid vang. However, what I
do is to use the lazyjacks to hold the boom up while lowering the sail.
Then, the main halyard becomes that topping lift to hold the boom up when
at anchor or at the mooring. I have had no issues with this setup.
Good luck
TW F32 Anoush Koon

Original Message:

From: ron barr rwhb@…
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:15:03 -0400
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather


Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” ( http://www.boomkicker.com
www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a
boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument
flying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to
support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!



Ron



Newport RI



PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern from
Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the AC’s going
and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!




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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Yes that is more or less what we are doing now…however cranking
the boom down on the main sheet to prevent it swinging while furling the sail
seems to result in overstraining/stretching the lazyjacks. I’m not sure they
are really designed for this given the light line. Obviously the halyard has to
go on at the end of the boom after all furling which means there is no strong
support until then. I miss the boom cradles I’ve had on other cruising boats!

Ron

Newport RI



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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of twales@…
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather

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Hi Ron,
You can spend the money on a boom kicker or a solid vang. However, what I
do is to use the lazyjacks to hold the boom up while lowering the sail.
Then, the main halyard becomes that topping lift to hold the boom up when
at anchor or at the mooring. I have had no issues with this setup.
Good luck
TW F32 Anoush Koon

Original Message:

From: ron barr rwhb@…
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:15:03 -0400
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather

Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” ( http://www.boomkicker.com
www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a
boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument
flying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to
support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern from
Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the AC’s going
and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!


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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Any idea where on the group the photos or drawings are of the
set up?
Thank you

Ron
Newport RI



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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:53 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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The Garhauer rigid vangs are great, but before and if you go
for one you might want to read my post #187 on the subject.

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John

----- Original Message -----
From: ron barr
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2007 1:17 pm
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” (
www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that
lacking a
boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal
instrumentflying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant
to rely on lazyjacks to
support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New
Bern from
Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per
rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the
AC’s going
and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the
after deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!




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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


If I was in a Hatteras 60 I would have not
thought the weather was that bad either………





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007
1:15 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom
Support F32 and Carolina
weather





Has anyone used
the “Boomkicker” (www.boomkicker.com)
to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a boom cradle or
topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument flying around
when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to support the boom
– thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just
returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern
from Baltimore
– I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508
recent post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the
AC’s going and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the
after deck bar was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!




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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

This has worked for me with the F-25, and now the Freedom 28 (Mull).
You can prevent the swinging by using the mainsheet. Herm

At 07:24 PM 10/4/2007, you wrote:

Hi Ron,
You can spend the money on a boom kicker or a solid vang. However, what I
do is to use the lazyjacks to hold the boom up while lowering the sail.
Then, the main halyard becomes that topping lift to hold the boom up when
at anchor or at the mooring. I have had no issues with this setup.
Good luck
TW F32 Anoush Koon

Original Message:

From: ron barr mailto:rwhb%40msn.comrwhb@…
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:15:03 -0400
To:
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather

Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” (
<http://www.boomkicker.comhttp://www.boomkicker.com>
www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a
boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument
flying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to
support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern from
Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the AC’s going
and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!


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Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

You could always replace your lazy jack cordage with a light
Spectra…heck…you can replace your LIFELINES with Spectra…
It might require wearing gloves when tightening up the lazy jacks,
however, but it would provide plenty of strength with less windage.

You really don’t need to “whale down” the mainsheet. My process for
dropping the canvas (two sails) on my F40 Cat Ketch is as follows:

First…tighten the lazy jacks on the main. I have the
cordage “marked” at the proper tension point where it’s wrapped to
the cleat.

Turn the engine on and put it in forward gear enough to make a little
headway dead into the wind.

Head into the wind and sheet the mizzen hard to the centerline. This
helps to keep the boat into the wind. Tighten the lazy jack on the
mizzen against the “already tight” mizzen sheet (not the other way
around).

Pull the main MOSTLY to center…allowing up to 2 feet of “swing
room” in either direction, depending on wave conditions. This allows
the “weathervaning” of the sail and boom to make up for minor errors
in heading into the wind and keeps the battens from hanging up on the
upper lazy jack blocks.

Release the main halyard from the cabin top stopper, holding it in a
single turn around the winch. Lower the main slowly enough that the
slides don’t jam up in the track. Don’t flake the sail at this time,
just let it stack up on top of the boom.

When the sail is down (or as “down” as it’s gonna get, center the
boom with the mainsheet, cleat it, and only THEN go forward with a
couple of sailties to hold the sail.

Repeat for the mizzen (not necessary to go forward).

When I’m back at the dock (or on the mooring), I remove the sail
ties, take the halyard off the headboard and move it to the boom-end,
and then “tug” the sail into some semblance of order on top of the
boom, starting aft and moving forward and applying sailties at
appropriate intervals to keep things neat. When I’m done, I release
the tension on the outhaul.

I frequently do this singlehanded, without an autopilot…in 17 to 20
knot winds. I’ve never broken anything doing this yet.



— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ron barr” <rwhb@…>
wrote:

Yes that is more or less what we are doing now…however cranking
the boom
down on the main sheet to prevent it swinging while furling the
sail seems
to result in overstraining/stretching the lazyjacks. I’m not sure
they are
really designed for this given the light line. Obviously the
halyard has to
go on at the end of the boom after all furling which means there is
no
strong support until then. I miss the boom cradles I’ve had on
other
cruising boats!

Ron

Newport RI

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of twales@…
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina
weather

Hi Ron,
You can spend the money on a boom kicker or a solid vang. However,
what I
do is to use the lazyjacks to hold the boom up while lowering the
sail.
Then, the main halyard becomes that topping lift to hold the boom
up when
at anchor or at the mooring. I have had no issues with this setup.
Good luck
TW F32 Anoush Koon

Original Message:

From: ron barr rwhb@… mailto:rwhb%40msn.com
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:15:03 -0400
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather

Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” ( http://www.boomkicker.com
www.boomkicker.com) to support their boom? It seems to me that
lacking a
boom cradle or topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal
instrument
flying around when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on
lazyjacks to
support the boom - thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern
from
Baltimore - I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per
rweeks6508 recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat - had to keep all the
AC’s going
and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after
deck bar
was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!


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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)


I have two boomkicker fore each boom on my
F-33. For my main they sold me a stronger unit that they don’t advertise.
Ted is very helpful and in my case he had
two custom stainless fittings made up for the attachment at the mast. It bolts
down using the mast collar bolts so there is no attachment on the mast itself
(no holes, no wraparound clamp).
I have been extremely happy with them.
Also since they flex there’s much lower loads then with a rigid vang.
Some have said they experience some bouncing but I think with the right
strength unit installed at the right angle there is no problem.
Also there is an option for a sliding
mount at the boom end. This is essentially like a short piece of genoa track. I’d
strongly recommend this. When you reef (depending on the cut of sail/reef) the
end of the boom goes up and without this track the boomkicker rods may not be
long enough so they would pop out at that end.
Another nice this is that they clear the
dodger and lifelines much better then rigid vangs due to their bend. Maybe on
your boat this is not an issue.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 SEAPR





From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007
1:15 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom
Support F32 and Carolina
weather





Has anyone used
the “Boomkicker” (www.boomkicker.com)
to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a boom cradle or
topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument flying around
when lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to support the boom
– thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just
returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down to New Bern
from Baltimore
– I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508
recent post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the
AC’s going and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the
after deck bar was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!




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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


I know, I’ve been there — it’s just my Brit sense of humour (note
correct spelling). However I was worried about the DVD player jumping once or
twice in the middle of a movie ……but the stabilizers helped.

Ron

Newport RI



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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:10 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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If I was
in a Hatteras 60 I would have not thought the weather was that bad either………





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:15 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather





Has anyone used the “Boomkicker” (www.boomkicker.com)
to support their boom? It seems to me that lacking a boom cradle or
topping lift on the Hoyt F32, we’ve got a lethal instrument flying around when
lowering the sail. I am reluctant to rely on lazyjacks to support the boom –
thoughts and other solutions most welcome!!

Ron

Newport RI

PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 down
to New Bern from Baltimore – I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508
recent post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the AC’s
going and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the after deck
bar was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!









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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Yes I know about the spelling I use to work for MetalBox now Crown Cork & Seal.
My ex-boss a Brit is the European CFO for Crown in Paris and speaks French
better the locals and always refer to correct english and American
english…oh well as long as we understand each other!

Bob

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From: ron barr <rwhb@…>
Date: 2007/10/05 Fri PM 01:45:52 CDT
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather



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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather
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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Boom Support F32 and Carolina weather
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PS Having just returned from taking a Hatteras 60 downto New Bern from Baltimore
– I didn’t realize the weather was that bad per rweeks6508recent
post!! Our only real problem was the heat – had to keep all the
AC’sgoing and steer from the inside saloon station. The icemaker in the
after deckbar was also playing up which was somewhat annoying!!
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