Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Lance,Unfortunately, when it comes to enviromental issues big business and government always come out unscathed. It’s much easier to lay the blame on a much smaller (and less powerful) boating community. This has been an on-going issue here in California, making many areas NDZs. Live-aboards especially are continuously targeted. What we boaters add to the pollution problem is a drop in the bucket compared to pollution caused by run-off, cities and industry.
On 8/21/07, lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area
Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
Politicians like to seem like they are doing something.
Narragansett bay is a NDZ. With every heavy rain, raw sewage pours into the bay.
I would cost a fortune to redo the sewer system, but it is cheap to make the
‘rich’ boaters stop putting their (trifling bit of) sewage into the bay.
The politicians appear to be doing something, but are acually not doing a darned
thing except annoying us.
My 2 cents.
---- lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
Posted by jsforgey (jsforgey@…>)
The word for politicians today is: Posturing.
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <crwindy@…> wrote:
Politicians like to seem like they are doing something.
Narragansett bay is a NDZ. With every heavy rain, raw sewage pours
into the bay.
I would cost a fortune to redo the sewer system, but it is cheap to
make the ‘rich’ boaters stop putting their (trifling bit of) sewage
into the bay.
The politicians appear to be doing something, but are acually not
doing a darned thing except annoying us.
My 2 cents.
---- lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make
Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make
dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to
dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point
is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during
heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources
of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep
boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up
study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required
by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but
if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment
on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s
efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
You need to enlist the local newspapers and TV to take pictures and
discuss the raw sewage situation after heavy rains. It’s likely that
the reason for the discharges is non-separated storm and sanitary
systems, it’s about time to separate these systems. Many more
progressive cities and towns have done this. Herm
At 07:42 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:
Politicians like to seem like they are doing something.
Narragansett bay is a NDZ. With every heavy rain, raw sewage pours
into the bay.
I would cost a fortune to redo the sewer system, but it is cheap to
make the ‘rich’ boaters stop putting their (trifling bit of) sewage
into the bay.
The politicians appear to be doing something, but are acually not
doing a darned thing except annoying us.
My 2 cents.
---- lance_ryley
<mailto:lance_ryley%40yahoo.comlance_ryley@…> wrote:
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
<http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569>http://www.cityofboston.g
ov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
That is exactly the situation. It is/has been in the news, and the fix is too
expensive for them. That is why they can appear to be doing something by
stopping all the recreational boater’s poop from REALLY mucking up the bay.
craig
---- Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:
You need to enlist the local newspapers and TV to take pictures and
discuss the raw sewage situation after heavy rains. It’s likely that
the reason for the discharges is non-separated storm and sanitary
systems, it’s about time to separate these systems. Many more
progressive cities and towns have done this. Herm
At 07:42 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:
Politicians like to seem like they are doing something.
Narragansett bay is a NDZ. With every heavy rain, raw sewage pours
into the bay.
I would cost a fortune to redo the sewer system, but it is cheap to
make the ‘rich’ boaters stop putting their (trifling bit of) sewage
into the bay.
The politicians appear to be doing something, but are acually not
doing a darned thing except annoying us.
My 2 cents.
---- lance_ryley
<mailto:lance_ryley%40yahoo.comlance_ryley@…> wrote:
If you’re not interested in environmental issues please skip this
post.
Mayor Menino announced that he is petitioning the EPA to make Boston
Harbor in its entirety a no-discharge zone. This would make dumping
treated sewage BY BOATERS illegal (it is already illegal to dump
raw sewage by anybody, so it’s not clear exactly what the point is of
an NDZ). The NDZ does nothing to address sewer overflows during heavy
rains, fertilizer runoff from yards, soot and spillage from the
airport, or any of the other overhwhelmingly land-based sources of
coliform in the harbor. I commend the mayor’s desire to keep boston
harbor clean, but I wish he would conduct a study or two that
actually showed a causal link between boat discharge and water
quality (not required by the epa) or committed to a follow-up study
after the inevitable implementation of the NDZ (also not required by
the EPA).
this issue has not yet been reported in the federal register, but if
and when it does, the public will have an opportunity to comment on
the proposal. Kerry has already publicly supported Menino’s efforts.
A link to the mayor’s press release is here:
<http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3569>http://www.cityofboston.g
ov/news/default.aspx?id=3569
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Herm,
in the boston globe, the reporter who wrote about the proposal
essentially called the discharge of sewage from boaters an “insidious”
problem. It’s already illegal to dump raw sewage within 3 miles of the
shoreline. This wasn’t mentioned at all. There was reference to an EPA
study about boaters’ sewage closing beaches, but so far the new england
epa hasn’t written back with a reference to the report.
I’d love to get the newspapers and tv to see the damage actually being
done, but I think that they’re already in the pocket of the mayor.
It’s so infuriatingly stupid.
Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
You need to enlist the local newspapers and TV to take pictures and
discuss the raw sewage situation after heavy rains. It’s likely that
Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)
I know. One powerboater told me about the article and he said that it is now OK to dump into the harbor but this new legislation was going to outlaw it. I made the 3 mile no discharge in place already arguement, but he argued back that the article made it seem like dumping in the harbor is perfectly legal. Does the mayor know this 3 mile rule? Not to mention: how do they inforce a further NDZ when I know a lot of boats that discharge raw sewage already…I don’t see any enforcement of that!! Come on! This is so rediculous I can’t get over it. Menino is supposedly for green building: a large part of that is environmentally sound stormwater management. Let’s Green Boston and try stopping the boaters that sit in the harbor throughout the year from dumping raw sewage first!!!
ugh.
Melissa
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----- Original Message ----From: lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:21:51 AMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Boston Harbor NDZ Announcement
Herm,in the boston globe, the reporter who wrote about the proposal essentially called the discharge of sewage from boaters an “insidious” problem. It’s already illegal to dump raw sewage within 3 miles of the shoreline. This wasn’t mentioned at all. There was reference to an EPA study about boaters’ sewage closing beaches, but so far the new england epa hasn’t written back with a reference to the report.I’d love to get the newspapers and tv to see the damage actually being done, but I think that they’re already in the pocket of the mayor.It’s so infuriatingly stupid.Lance— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@ …> wrote:>> You need to enlist the local newspapers and TV to take pictures and > discuss the raw sewage situation after heavy
rains. It’s likely that
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