Posted by yhviewer (kolson.22@…>)
would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of
the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
Posted by Art and Andi Kuehne (akuehne@…>)
Ken,
I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year.
I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model.
Good luck in your search!
Art
Copied from earlier forum discussion*
It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti
----- Original Message -----
From: yhviewer
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
Posted by willie doyle (williedoylemom@…>)
Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow! Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@…> wrote: Ken, I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty
bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year. I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model. Good luck in your search! Art Copied from
earlier forum discussion* It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see
about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love
freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti ----- Original Message ----- From: yhviewer To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35? would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
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Posted by louis spitz (aronella@…>)
I am about to purchase a Freedom 35 as well, and wonder about storing 200’ of chain for anchoring in the Caribbean. The anchor locker seems too shallow, and the weight of all that chain would be not well located there. Any thoughts, other than use a rope/chain combo?
Thanks,
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: willie doyle
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow!
Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@verizon.net> wrote:
Ken,
I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year.
I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model.
Good luck in your search!
Art
Copied from earlier forum discussion*
It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti
----- Original Message -----
From: yhviewer
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
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Posted by Larry Strouse (captainl@…>)
Louis;
I have a 35/1994. In my aft locker under the cockpit seat to port of operators seat I have stored 150’ of chain and 3/4"rode plus two anchors. Trim is not compromised by storing in this location.
I assume you want to use chain in case of anchoring near coral reefs, which seems prudent.
Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of louis spitzSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:30 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
I am about to purchase a Freedom 35 as well, and wonder about storing 200’ of chain for anchoring in the Caribbean. The anchor locker seems too shallow, and the weight of all that chain would be not well located there. Any thoughts, other than use a rope/chain combo?
Thanks,
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: willie doyle
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow!
Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@verizon.net> wrote:
Ken,
I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year.
I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model.
Good luck in your search!
Art
Copied from earlier forum discussion*
It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti
----- Original Message -----
From: yhviewer
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
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Posted by Mark Lynch (lzranch@…>)
Louis;We bought a 1998 Freedom 35 that was used in charter in the Caribbean. It came equipped with 125 feet of 3/8" chain and another 200’ of 1" three strand rope. This combination is a good compromise between having enough chain to avoid entanglements with coral and weight. This all fits nicely in the bow. MarkOn Mar 19, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Larry Strouse wrote:Louis; I have a 35/1994. In my aft locker under the cockpit seat to port of operators seat I have stored 150’ of chain and 3/4"rode plus two anchors. Trim is not compromised by storing in this location. I assume you want to use chain in case of anchoring near coral reefs, which seems prudent. Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Oflouis spitzSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:30 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?I am about to purchase a Freedom 35 as well, and wonder about storing 200’ of chain for anchoring in the Caribbean. The anchor locker seems too shallow, and the weight of all that chain would be not well located there. Any thoughts, other than use a rope/chain combo?Thanks,Lou ----- Original Message -----From: willie doyleTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PMSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow! Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@verizon.net> wrote:Ken, I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year. I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model. Good luck in your search! Art Copied from earlier forum discussion* It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti ----- Original Message -----From: yhviewerTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, KenThe fish are biting.Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Posted by louis spitz (aronella@…>)
Thanks so much for your responses, Larry and Mark. That’s great news, as I plaan to sail the boat from NY to the Caribbean. Anything else I should know?
For instance, Electrical needs: wind, solar, extra batteries? Dinghy storge: davits, lash on deck, deflate and store below, etc.
Louis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Lynch
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
Louis;
We bought a 1998 Freedom 35 that was used in charter in the Caribbean. It came equipped with 125 feet of 3/8" chain and another 200’ of 1" three strand rope. This combination is a good compromise between having enough chain to avoid entanglements with coral and weight. This all fits nicely in the bow.
Mark
On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Larry Strouse wrote:
Louis;
I have a 35/1994. In my aft locker under the cockpit seat to port of operators seat I have stored 150’ of chain and 3/4"rode plus two anchors. Trim is not compromised by storing in this location.
I assume you want to use chain in case of anchoring near coral reefs, which seems prudent.
Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Oflouis spitzSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:30 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
I am about to purchase a Freedom 35 as well, and wonder about storing 200’ of chain for anchoring in the Caribbean. The anchor locker seems too shallow, and the weight of all that chain would be not well located there. Any thoughts, other than use a rope/chain combo?
Thanks,
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: willie doyle
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow!
Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@verizon.net> wrote:
Ken,
I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year.
I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model.
Good luck in your search!
Art
Copied from earlier forum discussion*
It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations – headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti
----- Original Message -----
From: yhviewer
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35?
would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken
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Re chain and anchors on a ‘96 Freedom 35. We took 50’ of chain and moved it to the seat locker, along with the Bruce anchor for the same reason that was mentioned by a previoius correspondent - trim. That said, I have not been impressed that 150’ feet of chain left in our anchor locker disturbed the boat’s trim, however. As for the space, it’s huge! There would be no reason why 200’ feet of chain won’t fit. After all, I store an electric power line, 2 bumpers and a hose up there in addition to our chain. There’s plenty of room for all the the boat is balanced just fine. Faith louis spitz <aronella@…> wrote: Thanks so much for your responses, Larry and Mark. That’s great news, as I plaan to sail the boat from NY to the Caribbean. Anything else I should know? For instance, Electrical needs: wind, solar, extra batteries? Dinghy storge: davits, lash on deck, deflate and store below, etc. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Lynch To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35? Louis; We bought a 1998 Freedom 35 that was used in charter in the Caribbean. It came equipped with 125 feet of 3/8" chain and another 200’ of 1" three strand rope. This combination is a good compromise between having enough chain to avoid entanglements with coral and weight. This all fits nicely in the bow. Mark On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Larry Strouse wrote: Louis; I have a 35/1994. In my aft locker under the cockpit seat to port of operators seat I have stored 150’ of chain and 3/4"rode plus two anchors. Trim is not compromised by storing in this location. I assume you want to use chain in case of anchoring near coral reefs, which seems prudent. Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672
Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Oflouis spitzSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:30 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35? I am about to purchase a Freedom 35 as well, and wonder about storing 200’ of chain for anchoring in the Caribbean. The anchor locker seems too shallow, and the weight of all that chain would be not well located there. Any thoughts, other than use a rope/chain combo? Thanks, Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: willie doyle To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35? Ken, We would just have to add our “ditto” to the comments of Art and Andi. We just came back from a weeks crusing here in SW Florida - Vesper’s first long cruise in her new home waters. She performed superbly in all conditions and is a great “machine for living.” Wish we’d gotten her years ago. We loved our Pearson 36 but her draft was too deep for FL and we tired of “sailing by Braille” But the Freedom beats our Pearson all hollow! Regards, FaithArt and Andi Kuehne <akuehne@verizon.net> wrote: Ken, I have owned a wing keel F35 with the camberspar jib for about a year. It has proven to be a good all-around performing yacht that can be easily singlehanded with a good autopilot. With the large roached out main and camberspar jib self-poled out it is very fast down wind. On the delivery home after purchasing her last spring I routinely hit 10 knots surfing down wind
in about 20 knots of breeze. Upwind I get good speed from around 7 knots of true wind and up. The Pedrick designed F35 has a sail area to displacement ratio of about 20 making it a better light air boat than most cruisers, but not up there with a racing or racing/cruising boat. I raced the boat only one light air frostbite last year and we held our own. This winter I removed about 10 years of crusty bottom paint, replaced the fixed two blade prop with a feathering Kiwi prop and added an asymmetric chute so I’m hoping to be quite a bit faster next year. I’ve pasted an illuminating excerpt
from an earlier forum discussion on the differences between the shallow and deep draft versions. I sail in the Chesapeake and the shallow draft is a real plus for its ability to get into anchorages and harbors. If you plan on sailing where there is plenty of water, I’d go with the deep draft model. Good luck in your search! Art Copied from earlier forum discussion* It’s been a few years since I’ve given much technical thought to the Freedom 35, but I’ve enjoying being prompted to do so again via your email request. I was heavily involved in her design during my tenure as Chief Designer at Pedrick’s. All in all, I think the 35 is a great boat, especially for cruising needs, and I’m pleased to hear of your interest.I think there’s approximately a 2’ draft difference in the fin vs. wing keel versions – 6.5’ vs. 4.5’. As best as I can recall, the VPP polars for the boat had the fin keel sailing upwind at about 45.5 deg TWA, vs. about 48.0 deg TWA for the wing
keel boat. Additionally, the fin keel sailed at about 0.1 knots faster boat speed. Coupling that with the TWA difference, I expect that you’d see about 0.25 knots upwind VMG difference between the configurations.If I were in your shoes (sailing around Narragansett Bay), I’d opt for the fin version with the improved performance. A 6.5’ (nominal) draft won’t keep you out of many places around here. And the added stability (about 4% extra with the fin keel) will help your sail-carrying ability and comfort.As for the wider beam of the 35, you’re right that that was predominantly to offer a spacious interior. Since 1992, many
productions boats have gone down this same path. There’s some upwind performance loss (higher resistance) and seakeeping detriments (pitching motion) with a wider beam boat, but that’s ultimately the compromise one pays for the extra interior volume. Conversely, downwind performance in any sort of a following sea is improved, with some surfing ability.As for the carbon, freestanding rig of the Freedom 35 … Some people love freestanding rigs, some people hate them. For a cruising sailor, I think it makes good sense. You’ll have a powerful mainsail, a self-tacking small jib, and no rigging to get in the way of your comfort on deck. But there are limitations –
headstay tension is never as “powered up” as a conventional rig. Some 35 owners have outfitted the boat with a full (overlapping) genoa. This works fine for cruising. But apples-to-apples, you won’t keep pace with a full-genoa on a boat with a conventional rig and more headstay tension / sail shape control.Good luck with your decision. I hope these comments help.T.J. Perrotti ----- Original Message ----- From: yhviewer To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a freedom35? would like a recommendation on the sailing/handling characteristics of the F35 as I’m considering purchasing one. Thank you, Ken The fish are
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