Care and feeding of my centerboard & trunk

Posted by Barry Stellrecht (yak@…>)

Hi folks,

My F-33 has a centerboard, and it (along with the rest of the bottom) was
neglected badly before I purchased it. I’m not having a lot of fun cleaning the
barnacles & oysters out of the trunk, and I don’t particularly want to do it
again next time if I don’t have to…

Currently the bottom is pretty close to bare of paint, and I’ll be grinding it
down to barrier coat anyhow, so I can put anything I want on. The CB has lots
to take off, having been painted at at least two different depths in different
colors, and it looks like the trunk just has bare gelcoat under the growth.

So I wanted to know: What sort of bottom paint (if any?) have the rest of you
used in your centerboards and trunks? How did it work?

My big decision is whether to use an ablative paint or a hard paint (probably
either loaded with copper). I’ve got the practical sailor bottom paint tests,
so I’ve got lots of information about how specific paints hold up–I just don’t
know what type performs well inside the centerboard trunk.

Barry Stellrecht
s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)

\

s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)

Posted by Knevins@…> (Knevins@…>)

It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the lower Chesapeake
Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for me. I put Petit Barnacle
Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is working well. Others at the
marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle Blocker.

I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for bottom paint.
Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the bottom now. I think
hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.
Kerry Nevins
---- Barry Stellrecht <yak@…> wrote:

Hi folks,

My F-33 has a centerboard, and it (along with the rest of the bottom) was
neglected badly before I purchased it. I’m not having a lot of fun cleaning the
barnacles & oysters out of the trunk, and I don’t particularly want to do it
again next time if I don’t have to…

Currently the bottom is pretty close to bare of paint, and I’ll be grinding it
down to barrier coat anyhow, so I can put anything I want on. The CB has lots
to take off, having been painted at at least two different depths in different
colors, and it looks like the trunk just has bare gelcoat under the growth.

So I wanted to know: What sort of bottom paint (if any?) have the rest of you
used in your centerboards and trunks? How did it work?

My big decision is whether to use an ablative paint or a hard paint (probably
either loaded with copper). I’ve got the practical sailor bottom paint tests,
so I’ve got lots of information about how specific paints hold up–I just don’t
know what type performs well inside the centerboard trunk.

Barry Stellrecht
s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)


s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)

Posted by Barry Stellrecht (yak@…>)

That’s true…but I’m much more concerned if there is anything special I should
do with my centerboard trunk, and I am hoping that somebody else with a
centerboard Freedom will have advice.

Knevins@… wrote:

It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the lower Chesapeake
Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for me. I put Petit Barnacle
Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is working well. Others at the
marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle Blocker.

I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for bottom paint.
Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the bottom now. I think
hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.
Kerry Nevins


s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)

Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

Barry:

Maybe you can get to the inside of the F33’s trunk froom inside the boat, I
dunno. But on my Columbia 31, there is no access to the trunk exceot through
the slot for the board from down below.

A couple years ago, my boat’s centerboard trunk had oysters and barnacles
growing inside it. I used numerous implements of destruction to remove them,
including a long hand saw, crow bar, piece of rebar, etc. One word of caution:
If you do it this way, be sure your face is not directly under the slot. I got
a faceful of sand, mud, salt, barnacles and oyster shell, in my eyes and hair.
It wasn’t pretty.

The bottom paint I’ve been using for years is Trinidad SR. Expensive, but
effective in Florida. But the insiide of the board had not been painted for
several years. Since then I try to get a coat or two nnside ther any way I can,
using rollers, brushes or rags on long sticks, whatever it takes. It’s time
to do the bottom again, so I’ll see how the board and trunk are holding up.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL




---- Barry Stellrecht <yak@…> wrote:

Hi folks,

My F-33 has a centerboard, and it (along with the rest of the bottom) was
neglected badly before I purchased it. I’m not having a lot of fun cleaning the
barnacles & oysters out of the trunk, and I don’t particularly want to do it
again next time if I don’t have to…

Currently the bottom is pretty close to bare of paint, and I’ll be grinding it
down to barrier coat anyhow, so I can put anything I want on. The CB has lots
to take off, having been painted at at least two different depths in different
colors, and it looks like the trunk just has bare gelcoat under the growth.

So I wanted to know: What sort of bottom paint (if any?) have the rest of you
used in your centerboards and trunks? How did it work?

My big decision is whether to use an ablative paint or a hard paint (probably
either loaded with copper). I’ve got the practical sailor bottom paint tests,
so I’ve got lots of information about how specific paints hold up–I just don’t
know what type performs well inside the centerboard trunk.

Barry Stellrecht
s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)


s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
I have an Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch with a centerboard and I live aboard in the San Francisco Bay Area. I just use the same bottom paint I use on the hull for centerboard. I try and paint as much as I can reach into the trunk. I use Petite Trinidad S/R Red.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Barry Stellrecht <yak@…> wrote:




That’s true…but I’m much more concerned if there is anything special I should do with my centerboard trunk, and I am hoping that somebody else with a centerboard Freedom will have advice.

Knevins@… wrote:

It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the lower Chesapeake Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for me. I put Petit Barnacle Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is working well. Others at the marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle Blocker.

I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for bottom paint. Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the bottom now. I think hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.
Kerry Nevins


s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)



– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

Like Jay, I have a Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch with centerboard and use
Pettit Trindidad SR Red (most copper content)

The important thing to consider is compatibility of what you apply
with what’s already been applied inside the centerboard trunk.
Pressure washing and scraping will eventually remove the barnacles
and gunk in there, but short of some kind of sandblasting or
equivalent, you’ll never get the old paint off completely…so the
new stuff needs to NOT react with it.

There’s no NEED to remove the paint that’s “stuck” inside the
centerboard trunk, as long as you get off any that is
flaking/peeling. The reason you want the surface “smooth” on the hull
itself is to provide a fairer hydrodynamic surface to lessen the
friction of the water flowing past the hull. This is irrelevant
within the centerboard trunk (but not on the centerboard itself),
so…in this case…“more” is better.

I don’t try to get any rollers inside the trunk. You can do a lot by
using the cheap wooden chip brushes and nailing them onto the end of
an old broom stick or some such. Start “high” inside the box and work
your way down, getting as much paint as possible onto the surfaces
and “brushing out” the drips. Use a paint tray, as you will surely
manage to kick over a gallon paint can otherwise.

Plan on more coats than what you are applying to the hull, and
understand that the drying time in there is going to be a whole lot
longer than an exposed hullside (even on the shady side), so consider
that both before you paint and before you “splash” the boat again
afterwards.

You’re going to get more barnacle growth and slime in there anyway,
because you can’t adequately scrub it when you brush the hull while
the boat’s in the water, and an ablative finish works better when the
boat has motion through the water (that’s why they sell different
kinds for high speed/low speed boats)…inside the trunk, the
turbulence is all there’s gonna be, and that’s not enough to knock
anything loose.

It’s a good idea to replace your centerboard pendant earlier than you
think you need to (mine’s braid-on-braid spliced to a thimble on the
bottom end and shackled to the centerboard, not steel cable). The
deterioration at the point of attachment and within the centerboard
trunk bears no resemblance to what’s going on with the part you can
see above deck level. Be sure and “mouse” the shackle with stainless
wire after reinstalling it. It’s a hell of a lot easier to do all
this when the boat’s out of the water than when the board is stuck in
the mud with no way to raise it. Having it stuck in the rocks with no
way to raise it could be catastrophic.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:

I have an Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch with a centerboard and I live aboard
in the
San Francisco Bay Area. I just use the same bottom paint I use on
the hull
for centerboard. I try and paint as much as I can reach into the
trunk. I
use Petite Trinidad S/R Red.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Barry Stellrecht <yak@…>
wrote:

That’s true…but I’m much more concerned if there is anything
special
I should do with my centerboard trunk, and I am hoping that
somebody else
with a centerboard Freedom will have advice.

Knevins@… <Knevins%40cox.net> wrote:

It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the
lower
Chesapeake Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for
me. I put
Petit Barnacle Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is
working
well. Others at the marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle
Blocker.

I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for
bottom
paint. Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the
bottom now. I
think hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.
Kerry Nevins


s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)


Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area

Posted by Capt. Herman (sailtampa@…>)

When I haul out my Freedom 40 cat/ketch…I clean out the cb slot with a machete…just to knock out barnacles, etc…
then I get some sandpaper , 60 or 80 grit…and wrap it on a brush with a stick handle…and sand as much as i can…
then i wipe it down with some acetone…and take a small roller that fits up in the slot and put the trinidad as much as I can…Tampa Bay is a heavy bottom growth area…lots of barnacles.etc…
have to clean at least once a month…
also, by keeping the cb up at least 1/4 down will help to keep it and the slot cleaner…also a good time to check your cb pendant/block etc…I have attached a zinc to the top edge of the board and seems to help with limiting electrolysis…have to replace it every 2 months or so…
Once when my cb pendant broke and my 2000 lb cb crashed against the front edge of the cb well,causing the fiberglass to crack and slow leak into the bilge…
when I hauled out…i put some expansion foam on the front edge of the well…so it would cushion the cb impact if the pendant broke again…I have gone to spectra on the cb…the ss cable was very suspictable to electrolyis…
Capt.Herman
Whitewing
Whitewing
Capt.Herman
Whitewing

----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Glen
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Care and feeding of my centerboard & trunk



I have an Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch with a centerboard and I live aboard in the San Francisco Bay Area. I just use the same bottom paint I use on the hull for centerboard. I try and paint as much as I can reach into the trunk. I use Petite Trinidad S/R Red.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Barry Stellrecht <yak@mepsnbarry.com> wrote:




That’s true…but I’m much more concerned if there is anything special I should do with my centerboard trunk, and I am hoping that somebody else with a centerboard Freedom will have advice.Knevins@cox.net wrote:> It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the lower Chesapeake Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for me. I put Petit Barnacle Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is working well. Others at the marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle Blocker.> > I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for bottom paint. Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the bottom now. I think hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.> Kerry Nevins-- s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)-- Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area

Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

I had the same problem with the c/b cable on my Columbia, also in Tampa Bay. The
cable didn’t break, but the stainless shackle that attaches the cable to the
trailing edge of the cast iron board tore out of the board like it was a piece
if loose-leaf paper. The board (cast rion, 7 feet long, 3/4" thick, with a
chord of 13", weighs 170 pouinds) came down like a ton of bricks and did smoe
damage to the glass on the forward edge of the slot. .I keep having to drill
new holes in the board to attach a shackle.

I’ve been thinking of switching from stainless cable for the pennant to Spectra.
But I’d still have to attach it to the boat\rd some way. How am I gonna do
that"? Unless I use a shackle, I’m afraid the edges of the board would cut
through the fibers of the rope. Maybe I can insert some kind of plastic bushing
to protect the Spectra?

How did you attach the Spectra to the board? What is the board of a Freedom 40
made of?

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL


---- “Capt. Herman” <sailtampa@…> wrote:

When I haul out my Freedom 40 cat/ketch…I clean out the cb slot with a
machete…just to knock out barnacles, etc…
then I get some sandpaper , 60 or 80 grit…and wrap it on a brush with a
stick handle…and sand as much as i can…
then i wipe it down with some acetone…and take a small roller that fits up
in the slot and put the trinidad as much as I can…Tampa Bay is a heavy bottom
growth area…lots of barnacles.etc…
have to clean at least once a month…
also, by keeping the cb up at least 1/4 down will help to keep it and the
slot cleaner…also a good time to check your cb pendant/block etc…I have
attached a zinc to the top edge of the board and seems to help with limiting
electrolysis…have to replace it every 2 months or so…
Once when my cb pendant broke and my 2000 lb cb crashed against the front edge
of the cb well,causing the fiberglass to crack and slow leak into the bilge…
when I hauled out…i put some expansion foam on the front edge of the
well…so it would cushion the cb impact if the pendant broke again…I have
gone to spectra on the cb…the ss cable was very suspictable to electrolyis…
Capt.Herman
Whitewing
Whitewing
Capt.Herman
Whitewing
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Glen
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Care and feeding of my centerboard & trunk

I have an Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch with a centerboard and I live aboard in the
San Francisco Bay Area. I just use the same bottom paint I use on the hull for
centerboard. I try and paint as much as I can reach into the trunk. I use Petite
Trinidad S/R Red.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Barry Stellrecht <yak@…>
wrote:

That's true....but I'm much more concerned if there is anything special I

should do with my centerboard trunk, and I am hoping that somebody else with a
centerboard Freedom will have advice.

Knevins@... wrote:
> It depends on where you are located. I have a F36/38 in the lower

Chesapeake Bay, on the York River. Micron Extra works well for me. I put Petit
Barnacle Blocker on the prop this year and short term it is working well. Others
at the marina are enthusiastic about the Barnacle Blocker.

>
> I would suggest you ask people in your area what they like for bottom

paint. Make sure your choice is compatible with what is on the bottom now. I
think hard paint and ablative cannot be mixed. Happy sailing.

> Kerry Nevins

--
s/v Flutterby, Freedom 33 cat ketch (becoming a junk rig)


Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area