Posted by ereiss (ereiss@…>)
I’m off looking at F38s. We need shallow draft but are confused by the
advantages and disadvantages of the two styles. Can someone help me
understand the advantages and disadvantages?
Thank you for your help.
Ed Reiss
Future F38 owner
Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)
I have sailed both, not much difference. The deep keel maybe a tad faster going to weather. The wing keel does have some VERY big wings. So if you do go around, it would be more difficult to get off.You will be stuck real good.
Also the internal bilge has much less volume that the deep keel for water to collect. (no big deal, really)
Best of luck
Van
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From: ereiss
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Compare and contrast Winged Keel or shallow fin keel?
I’m off looking at F38s. We need shallow draft but are confused by theadvantages and disadvantages of the two styles. Can someone help meunderstand the advantages and disadvantages?Thank you for your help.Ed ReissFuture F38 owner
Posted by Brad Kuether (bkuether@…>)
On keels:
Not having the opportunity yet to sail a freedom, I understand in general, different keel configurations contribute to how well the boat points.
Deep Fin = best
Wing Keel = good
Shoal Fin = OK to mediocre
My 5’4" draft C&C 29 MK II goes to windward better then most boats on the bay.
For some folks, the ability to point is not that important.
For me, it is important that my boat have a “decent” ability to point. I regularly make channel marks that other boats have to tack around.
And I like that… I know, tacking is easy on a Freedom no winches to grind… But I would rather just not go there if I don’t have to…
Did it last weekend as a matter of fact… The Osprey nesting on #6 in the Middle River entrance was pissed! (see attached if it comes through)
On searching for a Freedom:
I too am also chasing a Freedom 38… Or a Freedom 35. Not quite ready but getting close.
The 4’6" draft of the shoal draft fin is perfect for the upper Chesapeake bay, but it’s a windward compromise.
The 6’ draft 38 probably goes well to windward, but too deep for upper Ches.
The 4’ wing is where I will probably end up, if I end up in a 38. Or possibly doing a keel cut and adding a Mars bulb to a deep fin 38.
The Freedom 35 has the real nice 4’6" wing that I bet goes to windward fairly well. The 6’6" is out of the question.
Anyone else who is chasing a 35/36/38, would love to compare notes off-list.
-Brad, Mary, Monica, and Jarod Kuether84’ C&C 29 Mark II (hopefully future Freedom owner)Middle River, MD
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From: ereiss
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Compare and contrast Winged Keel or shallow fin keel?
I’m off looking at F38s. We need shallow draft but are confused by theadvantages and disadvantages of the two styles. Can someone help meunderstand the advantages and disadvantages?Thank you for your help.Ed ReissFuture F38 owner
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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Not sure what’s available on the bigger
boats but my F30 has a 4’7” fin keel and its performance is pretty
good both in the bay and on the open ocean. I have not had it long but I have
done in one year what most sailors accomplish in maybe five years in cruising
miles.
Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brad Kuether
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:19
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Compare and contrast Winged Keel or shallow fin keel?
On keels:
\
Not having the opportunity yet to sail a freedom, I
understand in general, different keel configurations contribute to how well the
boat points.
\
Deep Fin = best
Wing Keel = good
Shoal Fin = OK to mediocre
\
My 5’4" draft C&C 29 MK II goes to windward better
then most boats on the bay.
\
For some folks, the ability to point is not that important.
\
For me, it is important that my boat have a
“decent” ability to point. I regularly
make channel marks that other boats have to tack around.
\
And I like that… I know, tacking is easy on a
Freedom no winches to grind… But I would rather just not go there if
I don’t have to…
\
\
Did it last weekend as a matter of fact… The Osprey
nesting on #6 in the Middle River entrance was
pissed! (see attached if it comes through)
\
\
On searching for a Freedom:
\
\
I too am also chasing a Freedom 38… Or a Freedom
35. Not quite ready but getting close.
\
The 4’6" draft of the shoal draft fin is perfect for
the upper Chesapeake bay, but it’s a windward
compromise.
\
The 6’ draft 38 probably goes well to windward, but too deep
for upper Ches.
\
The 4’ wing is where I will probably end up, if I end up in
a 38. Or possibly doing a keel cut and adding a Mars bulb to a deep fin
38.
\
The Freedom 35 has the real nice 4’6" wing that I bet
goes to windward fairly well. The 6’6" is out of the question.
\
\
Anyone else who is chasing a 35/36/38, would love to compare
notes off-list.
\
-Brad, Mary, Monica, and Jarod Kuether
84’ C&C 29 Mark II (hopefully future Freedom owner)
Middle River, MD
\
\
----- Original Message -----
From: ereiss
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24,
2008 8:22 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Compare and contrast Winged Keel or shallow fin keel?
\
I’m off looking at F38s. We need shallow draft but are
confused by the
advantages and disadvantages of the two styles. Can someone help me
understand the advantages and disadvantages?
Thank you for your help.
Ed Reiss
Future F38 owner
\
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
If it’s really critical, check the ACTUAL draft of the boat. Many
manufacturers, including Freedom lie about their craft’s draft. My
Mull F-28 brochures all say 4’ 6"; but when measured on the hard
(scum line to keel bottom) I found 4’ 10". Caveat
Emptor. Herm
At 10:19 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote:
On keels:
Not having the opportunity yet to sail a freedom, I understand in
general, different keel configurations contribute to how well the boat points.Deep Fin = best
Wing Keel = good
Shoal Fin = OK to mediocreMy 5’4" draft C&C 29 MK II goes to windward better then most boats
on the bay.For some folks, the ability to point is not that important.
For me, it is important that my boat have a “decent” ability to
point. I regularly make channel marks that other boats have to tack around.And I like that… I know, tacking is easy on a Freedom no winches
to grind… But I would rather just not go there if I don’t have to…Did it last weekend as a matter of fact… The Osprey nesting on
#6 in the Middle River entrance was pissed! (see attached if it comes through)On searching for a Freedom:
I too am also chasing a Freedom 38… Or a Freedom 35. Not quite
ready but getting close.The 4’6" draft of the shoal draft fin is perfect for the upper
Chesapeake bay, but it’s a windward compromise.The 6’ draft 38 probably goes well to windward, but too deep for upper Ches.
The 4’ wing is where I will probably end up, if I end up in a
38. Or possibly doing a keel cut and adding a Mars bulb to a deep fin 38.The Freedom 35 has the real nice 4’6" wing that I bet goes to
windward fairly well. The 6’6" is out of the question.Anyone else who is chasing a 35/36/38, would love to compare notes off-list.
-Brad, Mary, Monica, and Jarod Kuether
84’ C&C 29 Mark II (hopefully future Freedom owner)
Middle River, MD----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Compare and contrast Winged Keel or
shallow fin keel?I’m off looking at F38s. We need shallow draft but are confused by the
advantages and disadvantages of the two styles. Can someone help me
understand the advantages and disadvantages?Thank you for your help.
Ed Reiss
Future F38 owner
Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)
Ed,
My F36/38 had a deep draft keel and I had TPI replace it with a wing. Was suppose to be 4 1/2’ draft, it measures in at 5’. When I was looking for a Freedom I talked with Gary Mull and he said that I would be happier with a wing or deep draft. No other comment just that. BTW my last boat was a Mull designed Ranger 29.
Anyway I’ve been happy with the wing and yes it is big 5’ across at the aft end. I have had it aground a few times - only needed help once and that’s a long story. Most of the time I’m feeling my way into shallow anchorages and the leading end of the keel has about 2’ before the wing starts so it’s easy to back off.
Jim Demerest
F36/38 Lady of Remes