Considering F33

Posted by vientob81 (moresmarts@…>)

I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate comments on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



I have an F-33 fixed keel. It is external
lead bolted on.
There are many postings on this board
about wishbones vs. conventional, the carbon masts (they are not UV sensitive).
The mast tracks for the conventional rig should definitely have bedding
compound or some insulator between the mast and the tracks. Mine have rivets
which I believe is the preferred approach.
If you have other specific questions I’m
sure you’ll get people’s opinions/answers here.
I’m very happy with my F-33. Previously
owned a Bristol
32 sloop and cruised and lived aboard for a number of years. Much happier with
the F-33 in terms of construction, design, and I love the cat ketch rig and
free standing masts. Everyone talks about the ease of tacking but I think the
downwind wing on wing stability with the sail let way out (because there are no
stays) is equally impressive.

Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982 SEAPR


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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vientob81
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Considering F33




I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate
comments on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?

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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

The keel is fixed,lead encapsulated in FG,with some internal ballast,also lead. I have conventional booms. I see no penalty in having them,and there was no learning curve. CF masts,as all things,are degraded by the sun. Mine are painted white. I have no problem with mast track. Too much fear has been bestowed on the masts- I have had no problems. I think the fear was placed by people who were ignorant of the realities,and by some stick in the muds who cannot fathom change or the unfamiliar… There are stories of their extreme durability,under great stress,such as a rollover. Worry about other things.
It is a very big,stable comfortable and quality 33 footer. It feels like a much bigger boat. I love mine ,but age(mine) requires its sale.I will go to a day sailer,just like 50 years ago.

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I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate comments on centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead keel? Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon masts prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been installed properly? Anything else I should know about?

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)



Hmmm, I believe my fixed keel is just lead
NOT covered in fiberglass. As for the masts and UV I believe there are only
cosmetic issues. Eric Sponberg (mast designer and formerly at Freedom) indicated
that for the 33s they were covered in gel coat over fiberglass and the carbon
fiber is beneath that. Examination of my masts when out of the boat confirms
that. The gel coat is certainly faded and show sthe cosmetic cracking of the fiberglass
cloth wrap where the edges are butted but I consider that cosmetic. Some people
are concerned about heat degredation from the black color but I haven’t
seen anything to indicate a failure due to this.
Alan


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The keel is fixed,lead encapsulated in FG,with some internal
ballast,also lead. I have conventional booms. I see no penalty in having
them,and there was no learning curve. CF masts,as all things,are degraded by
the sun. Mine are painted white. I have no problem with mast track. Too much
fear has been bestowed on the masts- I have had no problems. I think the fear
was placed by people who were ignorant of the realities,and by some stick in
the muds who cannot fathom change or the unfamiliar… There are stories of
their extreme durability,under great stress,such as a rollover. Worry
about other things.


It is a very big,stable comfortable and quality 33
footer. It feels like a much bigger boat. I love mine ,but age(mine)
requires its sale.I will go to a day sailer,just like 50 years ago.



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I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate
comments on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?



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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

I’ve heard that the centerboard 33’s were the best performing of the
bunch. Perhaps our friend Michel from the Netherlands will have some
insight. I think Hoyt got rid of the centerboard to lower costs and
allow for a more open interior. The trunk is a bit intrusive.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “vientob81” <moresmarts@…>
wrote:

I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate comments on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon
masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jerry,

Sorry to hear that you decided to sell up. On the other hand,
daysailing is fun too!

I second your observations about the fuss about drilling holes in CF
masts. I have a mainmast built in 2000 bij Goetz marine technology,
a leading US CF mast manufacturer. They made quite a few holes in my
mast. There is a halyard opening to get the rope out of the mast,
several cleats and deadeyes (both riveted and screwed) and an Antal
track has been screwed on with lots of machine screws in tapped
holes.

I suppose Goetz knows what they are doing to their masts if they
provide a 10 year transferable warranty.

Best,
Michel


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jerry weinraub <zayde@…>
wrote:

The keel is fixed,lead encapsulated in FG,with some internal
ballast,also lead. I have conventional booms. I see no penalty in
having them,and there was no learning curve. CF masts,as all
things,are degraded by the sun. Mine are painted white. I have no
problem with mast track. Too much fear has been bestowed on the
masts- I have had no problems. I think the fear was placed by people
who were ignorant of the realities,and by some stick in the muds who
cannot fathom change or the unfamiliar… There are stories of their
extreme durability,under great stress,such as a rollover. Worry
about other things.
It is a very big,stable comfortable and quality 33 footer. It
feels like a much bigger boat. I love mine ,but age(mine) requires
its sale.I will go to a day sailer,just like 50 years ago.
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From: vientob81
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Considering F33

I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate comments
on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead
keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon
masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive? Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Dave and others,

Judging on the lateral and wetted surface, the F33/35 with
centreboard will probably perform best, both on the wind with the
board down and off the wind with the board fully up. The fixed keel
F33/35 has the same hull, only the keel sole is almost 1’ deeper
towards the rudder. The keel sole is a straight line from the curve
of the bow, just as with the C/B version. The rare fin keel version
has the same hull as the C/B version, only it has a parallellogram
shaped fin under the straight keel sole at about the same location
as the C/B, but about 1,5’ less deep.

I think indeed the non-C/B versions were designed to get more
interior space.

I would certainly go for the C/B version, also because you can
easily dry out this boat with a pair of beaching legs.

Best,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

I’ve heard that the centerboard 33’s were the best performing of
the
bunch. Perhaps our friend Michel from the Netherlands will have
some
insight. I think Hoyt got rid of the centerboard to lower costs
and
allow for a more open interior. The trunk is a bit intrusive.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “vientob81”
<moresmarts@>
wrote:

I am considering puchase of a F33. I would appreciate comments
on
centerboard vs fixed keel option. Is fixed an external lead
keel?
Also thoughts on wishbone vs conventional booms. Are the carbon
masts
prone to be a problem as they age? Are they UV sensitive?
Should
they be kept painted? How do I tell if the mast track has been
installed properly? Anything else I should know about?