Posted by angiebera (angiebera@…>)
While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening that
can be done to ease this noise?
Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?
Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “angiebera” <angiebera@…>
wrote:
While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause
a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening
that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
I have a 40/40 which had the exact same problem. I swore that the
mast was cracking the first time that I heard it. It turned out that
the issue is the mast is shifting slightly on the inverted “pie-
plate” that goes into the base of the mast and bolts to the hull.
I tried multiple solutions, but the only one that worked for me was
to pull the mast, line the inside of the base of the mast with
fiberglass and use the release-coated “pie-plate” to form a perfect
fit within the mast.
Note that I also placed a 1/4" sheet of UHMD plastic (with a hole in
it) over the top of the pie-plate. The mast now rests on UHMD and
then on the pie-plate. Now I have a quiet mast!
– Geoff
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
On my F-33 I had this as well. The mast
had been stepped with no wedges just two pins through the mast that had abraded
the holes in the mast so the mast could rotate and move around a little.It’s
a different set up then your boat but the cause of the sound is the same …
if the base of the mast is not secure it moves around in the step. In my
opinion this is not a sound to ignore as there is abrasion and from what I’ve
seen could eventually cause real damage. On mine I added fiberglass to the
interior of the mast at the base changed the pin arrangement to smooth pin
(Freedom had used bolts whose threads were ground down but not completely),
spartite at the cabin top for a tight fit, and a garhauer mast collar around
the mast under the deck with turnbuckles on each side to secure against
rotation.
Please consider joining the
FreedomOwnersGroup as we can avoid spam postings on that board. Many people
have already switch so I’m not sure if all of people still monitor this
one.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Schultz
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:05
AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Cracking sounds in carbon fiber mast on board a 1990 Freedom 45 CC
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“angiebera” <angiebera@…>
wrote:
While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause
a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening
that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
I have a 40/40 which had the exact same problem. I swore that the
mast was cracking the first time that I heard it. It turned out that
the issue is the mast is shifting slightly on the inverted “pie-
plate” that goes into the base of the mast and bolts to the hull.
I tried multiple solutions, but the only one that worked for me was
to pull the mast, line the inside of the base of the mast with
fiberglass and use the release-coated “pie-plate” to form a perfect
fit within the mast.
Note that I also placed a 1/4" sheet of UHMD plastic (with a hole in
it) over the top of the pie-plate. The mast now rests on UHMD and
then on the pie-plate. Now I have a quiet mast!
– Geoff
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Posted by Rick Higgens (higgens@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “angiebera” <angiebera@…>
wrote:
While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
I’ll add my 2 cents based on Paul Dennis’s directions when I stepped
my mast this Spring. Based on input from the previous owner, I had
the mast pulled last Fall to correct for the mast shift he was
experiencing. Paul did some other work on my mast over the winter and
one of the things he did was to put some bevel on the inside of the
mast wall. He said this would help it seat better. Then when I was
ready to drop the mast back in, I FORTUNATELY couldn’t find the
pin/bolt that goes through the mast. I ran down to Paul’s shop and he
fixed me up with one AND he asked if I had the rubber hose that goes
over the pin. I told him there wasn’t one when I pulled it and he
said that may have been the mast shift problem all along. So he got
the hose for the pin as well. When I set the pin with the hose into
the slot in the mast plug, it seemed way too tight. But with the
weight of the mast it dropped right in! Also, at Paul’s direction, I
put silicone around the mast plug everywhere EXCEPT a gap on the aft
side of the mast where the mast drains into the weep hole. (Another
minor detail Paul suggested was to drill out the weep hole a little to
allow the water to drain better.)
I haven’t been in any “rock and roll” seas since this Spring but so
far all’s been quiet.
Rick Higgens
F30 Nauti-Belle
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Geoff,
Is that UHMW Polyethylene (PE) you used? Or does UHMD stand
for a material I’m ignorant above? Teflon sheet is another slippery
and tough plastic. Herm
At 08:05 AM 8/13/2007, you wrote:
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“angiebera” <angiebera@…>
wrote:While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause
a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening
that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
I have a 40/40 which had the exact same problem. I swore that the
mast was cracking the first time that I heard it. It turned out that
the issue is the mast is shifting slightly on the inverted “pie-
plate” that goes into the base of the mast and bolts to the hull.I tried multiple solutions, but the only one that worked for me was
to pull the mast, line the inside of the base of the mast with
fiberglass and use the release-coated “pie-plate” to form a perfect
fit within the mast.Note that I also placed a 1/4" sheet of UHMD plastic (with a hole in
it) over the top of the pie-plate. The mast now rests on UHMD and
then on the pie-plate. Now I have a quiet mast!– Geoff
Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
The main on our Freedom 33 did not just creak. In certain seaways, and also, only when on anchor, there would be an extremely loud ¨BANG!!!¨, sounding almost like a heavy hammerblow on steel. This would happen so infrequent, that it was pretty much ignored. I never got to correct the problem, since that mast went overboard before I got around to fixing the ¨bang¨. ( The dismasting came after an incident where we bounced on the beach in Melbourne Beach for a few hours, in six ft surf. We were able to gain deep water again and there was no apparent damage, but I figure, that´s where the mast got weakened sufficiently to break a little later.) When the mast had gone, one look at the foot of the mast told the story. The two large set bolts had simply chewed up the mast walls to the
point where there was insufficient lateral support at the base of the mast. Thus, any shifting around on that " äluminum pie¨" can be of some consequences. Frank I fixed the problem a little later on the mizzen, much in the way Geoff describes. Geoffrey Schultz <geoff.freedom@…> wrote: — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “angiebera”
<angiebera@…> wrote:>> While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause a> cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost> impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening that> can be done to ease this noise?> > Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while> the mast swings during light wind sailing?> > Thank you in advance - Angie and CraigI have a 40/40 which had the exact same problem. I swore that the mast was cracking the first time that I heard it. It turned out that the issue is the mast is shifting slightly on the inverted “pie-plate” that goes into the base of the mast and bolts to the hull. I tried multiple solutions, but the only one that worked for me was to pull the mast, line the inside of the base of the mast with fiberglass and use the release-coated
“pie-plate” to form a perfect fit within the mast.Note that I also placed a 1/4" sheet of UHMD plastic (with a hole in it) over the top of the pie-plate. The mast now rests on UHMD and then on the pie-plate. Now I have a quiet mast!-- Geoff
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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
The previous owners of Glory had this issue and had Paul Dennis pull
the mast. Paul found that the bottom of the mast wasn’t quite square,
and he laser-leveled it. So far (not that we’ve seen much heavy
weather yet), it appears to have fixed the issue.
Lance
Glory
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “angiebera” <angiebera@…>
wrote:
While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will cause
a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening
that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)
Sorry, that should have read UHMW instead of UHMD. I was
thinking “Density” instead of “Weight”.
I think that you’ll find that teflon sheet is much more expensive
than UHMW.
– Geoff
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
Geoff,
Is that UHMW Polyethylene (PE) you used? Or does UHMD
stand
for a material I’m ignorant above? Teflon sheet is another
slippery
and tough plastic. HermAt 08:05 AM 8/13/2007, you wrote:
— In
<mailto:freedomyachts2003%
40yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“angiebera” <angiebera@>
wrote:While at anchor and if the seas become confused our mast will
cause
a
cracking/creeking sound that makes sleeping in the V-Birth
almost
impossible - Is there any modification or stuffing or tightening
that
can be done to ease this noise?Or is this just a normal issue and expected while at anchor or
while
the mast swings during light wind sailing?Thank you in advance - Angie and Craig
I have a 40/40 which had the exact same problem. I swore that the
mast was cracking the first time that I heard it. It turned out
that
the issue is the mast is shifting slightly on the inverted “pie-
plate” that goes into the base of the mast and bolts to the hull.I tried multiple solutions, but the only one that worked for me was
to pull the mast, line the inside of the base of the mast with
fiberglass and use the release-coated “pie-plate” to form a perfect
fit within the mast.Note that I also placed a 1/4" sheet of UHMD plastic (with a hole
in
it) over the top of the pie-plate. The mast now rests on UHMD and
then on the pie-plate. Now I have a quiet mast!– Geoff