Posted by williedoylemom (williedoylemom@…>)
We wanted something to heat our sailboat while an anchor. So we wanted
something that did not require electric. Someone suggested an Espar
Hyrdonic cabin heating system. It evidently runs off the deisel.
Anyone have one? Heard of one. I Googled but did not come up with
anything that explained how it worked. Is it smelley. To where does it
exhaust. Thank you for the info. Faith
Posted by George E. Herchenroether (g.herk@…>)
Espar heaters are
the best. Run don’t
walk to get one. You will be very happy.
Diesel, small amps
drain, and very little noise. Controlled by thermostat.
George
E. Herchenroether
4
Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329
mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of williedoylemom
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006
10:59 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Espar
Hydronic cabin heater
We wanted something to heat our sailboat while an
anchor. So we wanted
something that did not require electric.
Someone suggested an Espar
Hyrdonic cabin heating system. It evidently runs
off the deisel.
Anyone have one? Heard of one. I Googled but did
not come up with
anything that explained how it worked. Is it
smelley. To where does it
exhaust. Thank you for the info. Faith
\
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I have a Newport direct vent (gets input air from
outside through a double chimney so little CO danger) propane heater. Works
very well. Not too expensive. Easy to install.
Alan
From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George E. Herchenroether
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006
8:44 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Espar Hydronic cabin heater
Espar heaters are
the best. Run don’t walk to get one. You will be very
happy. Diesel, small amps drain, and very little noise. Controlled
by thermostat.
George
E. Herchenroether
4 Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329
mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of williedoylemom
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006
10:59 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Espar
Hydronic cabin heater
We wanted something to heat
our sailboat while an anchor. So we wanted
something that did not require electric.
Someone suggested an Espar
Hyrdonic cabin heating system. It evidently runs
off the deisel.
Anyone have one? Heard of one. I Googled but did
not come up with
anything that explained how it worked. Is it
smelley. To where does it
exhaust. Thank you for the info. Faith
\
Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Espars are
loved and hated. Talk to those that have had one for more then 2 years, preferably
live-a-boards. And make sure that the supplier/support system is HIGHLY
regarded as Espars are all to often installed and/or maintained
improperly. My personal experience is dismal, with costs to maintain higher
then my diesel engine. I do know people that have had good results though.
If you are
going to use it a lot, again, talk with live-a-boards. The “AIR” units tend to ware out, fan motor degradation and the shell
of the burner will, with time. I have had one that was approaching mandatory
retirement.
They do use a
lot of 12V power to operate, in the realm of a few amps while running.
I do hot have
direct experience with water units, though friends have them and they are very
comfortable with “zone” heating, hot water on tap and other
attributes. But they are complicated with lots of stuff to fail and
supply electrical power to. The boiler has an air flow fan and all the
circuits require pumps. Lots of pumps, and hoses.
But that being
said, I am not sure that the alternatives are much better though I personally
would avoid anything with a glow plug.
I use them as a
live-a-board in Puget Sound, but used electrical power when
dock-side as much as possible. Twice a year, I would disassemble the unit
to clean out the carbon. Most service personnel will warn against running
on “low” heat as that will tend to carbon the unit up. My unit
was hard wired into high heat only.
Good luck.
Oh, I installed
a bulked mounted diesel on Cayenne. It is
central to the main cabin, simple, but not without it’s idiosyncrasies.
I opted for this even though I have a near new Espar air unit sitting in a garage
in Seattle.
Brian
Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston
St.
Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224
206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is
moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George E. Herchenroether
Sent: Monday, January 09,
2006 8:44 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Espar Hydronic cabin heater
Espar heaters are the best. Run don’t walk to get
one. You will be very happy. Diesel, small amps drain, and very
little noise. Controlled by thermostat.
George E. Herchenroether
4 Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329 mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of williedoylemom
Sent: Sunday, January
08, 2006 10:59 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Espar
Hydronic cabin heater
We wanted something to heat our sailboat while an
anchor. So we wanted
something that did not require electric.
Someone suggested an Espar
Hyrdonic cabin heating system. It evidently runs
off the deisel.
Anyone have one? Heard of one. I Googled but did
not come up with
anything that explained how it worked. Is it
smelley. To where does it
exhaust. Thank you for the info. Faith
\
Posted by George E. Herchenroether (g.herk@…>)
Apparently Brian and I have had opposite experiences. We used our Espar while cruising the east coast, sometimes for months at a time in
liveaboard mode.
The maintenance consisted
of cleaning the injection component.
As for amps, maybe I am wrong, but we had a limited supply on that boat,
and yet I never felt the Espar was big drain, but I admit I never measured it
critically. We used it for three
seasons and I know the next owner used it for two without complaint.
These units are
often used in buses and tractor trailers. That implies they
fairly robust for extended use.
So, ok, don’t run, but do consider it seriously. The alternative all have more tradeoffs.
George
E. Herchenroether
4
Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329
mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Guptil
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006
9:29 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Espar Hydronic cabin heater
Espars are loved and hated. Talk to those that have had one
for more then 2 years, preferably live-a-boards. And make sure that the
supplier/support system is HIGHLY regarded as Espars are all to often installed
and/or maintained improperly. My personal experience is dismal, with
costs to maintain higher then my diesel engine. I do know people that
have had good results though.
If you are going to use it a lot, again, talk with
live-a-boards. The “AIR” units tend to ware out, fan motor
degradation and the shell of the burner will, with time. I have had one
that was approaching mandatory retirement.
They do use a lot of 12V power to operate, in the realm of a few
amps while running.
I do hot have direct experience with water units, though friends
have them and they are very comfortable with “zone” heating, hot
water on tap and other attributes. But they are complicated with lots of
stuff to fail and supply electrical power to. The boiler has an air flow
fan and all the circuits require pumps. Lots of pumps, and hoses.
But that being said, I am not sure that the alternatives are much
better though I personally would avoid anything with a glow plug.
I use them as a live-a-board in Puget Sound,
but used electrical power when dock-side as much as possible. Twice a
year, I would disassemble the unit to clean out the carbon. Most service
personnel will warn against running on “low” heat as that will tend
to carbon the unit up. My unit was hard wired into high heat only.
Good luck.
Oh, I installed a bulked mounted diesel on Cayenne. It is central to the main
cabin, simple, but not without it’s idiosyncrasies. I opted for
this even though I have a near new Espar air unit sitting in a garage in Seattle.
Brian
Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St. Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD 21224
206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is moored on C dock.
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of George E.
Herchenroether
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006
8:44 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Espar Hydronic cabin heater
Espar heaters are the best. Run don’t walk to get
one. You will be very happy. Diesel, small amps drain, and very
little noise. Controlled by thermostat.
George E. Herchenroether
4 Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329 mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of williedoylemom
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006
10:59 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Espar
Hydronic cabin heater
We wanted something to heat our sailboat while an
anchor. So we wanted
something that did not require electric.
Someone suggested an Espar
Hyrdonic cabin heating system. It evidently runs
off the deisel.
Anyone have one? Heard of one. I Googled but did
not come up with
anything that explained how it worked. Is it
smelley. To where does it
exhaust. Thank you for the info. Faith
\
Posted by Jay Whittle (whittle@…>)
Here at the factory the heaters our customers order are Espars installed by
(Subcontractor) Ocean Options out of Tiverton RI.
The Espars work for us as they have very low power requirements, (although our
“Legacy” power boats aren’t limited that way like the “Freedom”
Sailboats are). They don’t use much diesel either, which is a good thing for
both boats. They seem to be a love or hate relationship, the people that love
them are very happy whilst the one’s that don’t, take them out at first
opportunity. I have not had a bad experience with them (yet) although most of
what I hear negative is usually traced to a bad install.
Here is the website: http://www.espar.com/htm/applies/marine.htm
Good luck which ever way you go. I like the Espars myself.
Jay Whittle
Design Engineer
Freedom and Legacy Yachts, Inc.
305 Oliphant Lane
Middletown, RI 02842
jayw@…
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Posted by George E. Herchenroether (g.herk@…>)
At the risk of
beating this to death…
Our installation
was about the same cost as the unit…we had it done by a very experienced
person. A lot of the cost was the proper
and somewhat tricky routing of the duct work.
George
E. Herchenroether
4
Bush St
Newport, RI 02840
401.847.2028
401.338.5329
mobile
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Whittle
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006
11:07 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Espar Hydronic cabin heater
Here at the factory the heaters our customers order
are Espars installed by
(Subcontractor) Ocean Options out of Tiverton RI.
The Espars work for us as they have very low power
requirements, (although our
“Legacy” power boats aren’t limited that
way like the “Freedom”
Sailboats are). They don’t use much diesel either,
which is a good thing for
both boats. They seem to be a love or hate
relationship, the people that love
them are very happy whilst the one’s that don’t,
take them out at first
opportunity. I have not had a bad experience with
them (yet) although most of
what I hear negative is usually traced to a bad
install.
Here is the website: http://www.espar.com/htm/applies/marine.htm
Good luck which ever way you go. I like the Espars
myself.
Jay Whittle
Design Engineer
Freedom and Legacy Yachts, Inc.
305
Oliphant Lane
Middletown, RI 02842
jayw@…
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Available for 2005!
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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…)
One of our live a boards here in SF Bay have a Victoria 34. They have an Espar, but rather than using diesel, they burn kerosine. They say its burns much cleaner and requires less maintenance. The drawback is having a separate tank for the kerosine.
Jay Glen
Fantasy Freedom 40
----- Original Message -----From: “Jay Whittle” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Espar Hydronic cabin heaterDate: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:07:18 +0000Here at the factory the heaters our customers order are Espars installed by(Subcontractor) Ocean Options out of Tiverton RI.The Espars work for us as they have very low power requirements, (although our"Legacy" power boats aren’t limited that way like the "Freedom"Sailboats are). They don’t use much diesel either, which is a good thing forboth boats. They seem to be a love or hate relationship, the people that lovethem are very happy whilst the one’s that don’t, take them out at firstopportunity. I have not had a bad experience with them (yet) although most ofwhat I hear negative is usually traced to a bad install.Here is the website: http://www.espar.com/htm/applies/marine.htmGood luck which ever way you go. I like the Espars myself.Jay WhittleDesign EngineerFreedom and Legacy Yachts, Inc.305 Oliphant LaneMiddletown, RI 02842jayw@…——————————————————————————————————The McKlein Ultimate Rally Calendar - Now Available for 2005! Click here: http://www.pitstop.net.au/pitstop/plu/15180
Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
I’ll help you “beat this to death”… I’ve had three Espar heaters on three boats, two of which I installed myself. One is on a boat I launched in 1979, has had one glow plug change and is (really!!) still working fine. The other one I installed was on a boat I launched in 1988, sold in 1994. When I sold it I hadn’t done a thing to it, 'cause it still worked great (Lot of time in the NW). The third one is on the Hoyt32 I’ve had for almost four years. Still works great, with no repairs required. One thing’s very important tho, you can’t skimp on ducting diameter. Gotta get the heat away from the unit soon as possible, otherwise, you got problems. Needless to say, I really like Espar Heaters, forced air, or water. PWM"George E. Herchenroether" <g.herk@…> wrote: At the risk of beating this to death… Our installation was about the same cost as the unit…we had it done by a very experienced person. A lot of the cost was the proper and somewhat tricky routing of the duct work. George E. Herchenroether 4 Bush St Newport, RI 02840 401.847.2028 401.338.5329 mobile From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay WhittleSent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:07 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Espar Hydronic cabin
heater Here at the factory the heaters our customers order are Espars installed by(Subcontractor) Ocean Options out of Tiverton RI.The Espars work for us as they have very low power requirements, (although our"Legacy" power boats aren’t limited that way like the "Freedom"Sailboats are). They don’t use much diesel
either, which is a good thing forboth boats. They seem to be a love or hate relationship, the people that lovethem are very happy whilst the one’s that don’t, take them out at firstopportunity. I have not had a bad experience with them (yet) although most ofwhat I hear negative is usually traced to a bad install.Here is the website: http://www.espar.com/htm/applies/marine.htmGood luck which ever way you go. I like the Espars myself.Jay WhittleDesign EngineerFreedom and Legacy Yachts,
Inc.305 Oliphant LaneMiddletown, RI 02842jayw@…——————————————————————————————————The McKlein Ultimate Rally Calendar - Now Available for 2005!Click here: http://www.pitstop.net.au/pitstop/plu/15180
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