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Posted by J Hartshorn (howlingengines@…>)

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject , BUT ,
has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-built
Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to having to
prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is
compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably involving
prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work to be done.
Thanks
jonH

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jon,

I imported a US Freedom in the Neherlands in Februari 2006. I looked
into the RCD stuff but did not (yet?) get an EC-marking. I have a
quote for a Freedom 44 type approval. The consultant asks EUR 4500;
the main work is collecting technical documentation and translating
it in Dutch (I think translation is not a necessity, so the price is
steep, I feel). I would become owner of the type approval and
could ‘sell’ it to prospective F44 owners importing from outside the
EU.

Here in the Netherlands we don’t bother yet with the RCD. No
government body really cares anyway, at this time. Only customs and
excise wants to know if you paid your VAT.

Michel


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “J Hartshorn”
<howlingengines@…> wrote:

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject , BUT ,
has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-built
Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to having
to
prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is
compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably involving
prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work to
be done.
Thanks
jonH

3

Posted by jonathan Hartshorn (howlingengines@…>)
Thanks for this Michel. I came close to buying an F40 in the UK recently but my surveyor warned me off. The price you quote doesnt seem prohibitive , my surveyor thought that 10-15000 Euros (UK prices!) would be needed to make the technical file.I write to you as a personal email as the current owner is still using this boat in the UK which apparently is illegal without a CE mark! Who knows who monitors these user groups!Thanks againJonH----- Original Message ----From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 9:39:14 AMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

Jon,

I imported a US Freedom in the Neherlands in Februari 2006. I looked
into the RCD stuff but did not (yet?) get an EC-marking. I have a
quote for a Freedom 44 type approval. The consultant asks EUR 4500;
the main work is collecting technical documentation and translating
it in Dutch (I think translation is not a necessity, so the price is
steep, I feel). I would become owner of the type approval and
could ‘sell’ it to prospective F44 owners importing from outside the
EU.

Here in the Netherlands we don’t bother yet with the RCD. No
government body really cares anyway, at this time. Only customs and
excise wants to know if you paid your VAT.

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, “J Hartshorn”
<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject , BUT ,
has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-built
Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to having
to
prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is
compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably involving
prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work to
be done.
Thanks
jonH


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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jon,

One thing I forgot to mention…

If you import an F40 in the EU, you will not need an RCD type
approval because the F40-type was built and used in the EU (in the
UK) before 1996 (I think that’s the crucial year). For yachts not
built and sold in the EU before that year, you would officially need
a CE-mark.

So you have no problems and there are a couple of F40’s for sale in
the US for good prices, compared to the UK. I know Simena, the F40
for sale in the UK. I would personally not go for the deep keel
version without the centreboard.

I published the text of the RCD in the files section of this board.

Best,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jonathan Hartshorn
<howlingengines@…> wrote:

Thanks for this Michel.
I came close to buying an F40 in the UK recently but my surveyor
warned me off. The price you quote doesnt seem prohibitive , my
surveyor thought that 10-15000 Euros (UK prices!) would be needed to
make the technical file.
I write to you as a personal email as the current owner is still
using this boat in the UK which apparently is illegal without a CE
mark! Who knows who monitors these user groups!
Thanks again
JonH

----- Original Message ----
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 9:39:14 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

        Jon,

I imported a US Freedom in the Neherlands in Februari 2006. I
looked

into the RCD stuff but did not (yet?) get an EC-marking. I have a

quote for a Freedom 44 type approval. The consultant asks EUR
4500;

the main work is collecting technical documentation and
translating

it in Dutch (I think translation is not a necessity, so the price
is

steep, I feel). I would become owner of the type approval and

could ‘sell’ it to prospective F44 owners importing from outside
the

EU.

Here in the Netherlands we don’t bother yet with the RCD. No

government body really cares anyway, at this time. Only customs and

excise wants to know if you paid your VAT.

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, “J Hartshorn”

<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject ,
BUT ,

has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-built

Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to
having

to

prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is

compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably
involving

prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work to

be done.

Thanks

jonH

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Posted by jonathan Hartshorn (howlingengines@…>)
Thanks again Michel.In the UK at least the critical date was June 1998.Agreed the Freedoms were built under licence certainly by Western Yachts in Cornwall.Therefore , if the yacht was built by Westerns before 1998 , it would be RCD-exempt.The ‘grey’ area ( As with a lot , if not all EU legislation!- you remember the rule that a Carrot is classified as a fruit , because the Spanish make Jam out of them!) is if a boat of the same type , built in USA before 1998 , is imported , is the Type of this boat exempt because others had been built in the EU ? My surveying and RYA contacts seem to have many and differing views on this. I’ll forward this on to the current owner for his interest.I agree with the Centre-board argument ,
having only spent a day on her in light to no winds , I couldnt really judge , but having the capability of a 9 ft keel seems good.thanks againJonH----- Original Message ----From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 12:15:56 PMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

Jon,

One thing I forgot to mention… .

If you import an F40 in the EU, you will not need an RCD type
approval because the F40-type was built and used in the EU (in the
UK) before 1996 (I think that’s the crucial year). For yachts not
built and sold in the EU before that year, you would officially need
a CE-mark.

So you have no problems and there are a couple of F40’s for sale in
the US for good prices, compared to the UK. I know Simena, the F40
for sale in the UK. I would personally not go for the deep keel
version without the centreboard.

I published the text of the RCD in the files section of this board.

Best,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, jonathan Hartshorn
<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

Thanks for this Michel.
I came close to buying an F40 in the UK recently but my surveyor
warned me off. The price you quote doesnt seem prohibitive , my
surveyor thought that 10-15000 Euros (UK prices!) would be needed to
make the technical file.
I write to you as a personal email as the current owner is still
using this boat in the UK which apparently is illegal without a CE
mark! Who knows who monitors these user groups!
Thanks again
JonH

----- Original Message ----
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@ …>
To: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 9:39:14 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

Jon,

I imported a US Freedom in the Neherlands in Februari 2006. I
looked

into the RCD stuff but did not (yet?) get an EC-marking. I have a

quote for a Freedom 44 type approval. The consultant asks EUR
4500;

the main work is collecting technical documentation and
translating

it in Dutch (I think translation is not a necessity, so the price
is

steep, I feel). I would become owner of the type approval and

could ‘sell’ it to prospective F44 owners importing from outside
the

EU.

Here in the Netherlands we don’t bother yet with the RCD. No

government body really cares anyway, at this time. Only customs and

excise wants to know if you paid your VAT.

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, “J Hartshorn”

<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject ,
BUT ,

has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-built

Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to
having

to

prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is

compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably
involving

prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work to

be done.

Thanks

jonH

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

If the designer, lines and construction methods of the UK F40 are
similar to the US F40 (and you can argue that they are, because
western yachts needed a licence to be allowed to built the boat)
then I would say you are okay. The F44 was never imported or built
in the EU, so I’m in a different storybook.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jonathan Hartshorn
<howlingengines@…> wrote:

Thanks again Michel.
In the UK at least the critical date was June 1998.Agreed the
Freedoms were built under licence certainly by Western Yachts in
Cornwall.Therefore , if the yacht was built by Westerns before
1998 , it would be RCD-exempt.The ‘grey’ area ( As with a lot , if
not all EU legislation!- you remember the rule that a Carrot is
classified as a fruit , because the Spanish make Jam out of them!)
is if a boat of the same type , built in USA before 1998 , is
imported , is the Type of this boat exempt because others had been
built in the EU ? My surveying and RYA contacts seem to have many
and differing views on this. I’ll forward this on to the current
owner for his interest.
I agree with the Centre-board argument , having only spent a day
on her in light to no winds , I couldnt really judge , but having
the capability of a 9 ft keel seems good.
thanks again
JonH

----- Original Message ----
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 12:15:56 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

        Jon,

One thing I forgot to mention… .

If you import an F40 in the EU, you will not need an RCD type

approval because the F40-type was built and used in the EU (in the

UK) before 1996 (I think that’s the crucial year). For yachts not

built and sold in the EU before that year, you would officially
need

a CE-mark.

So you have no problems and there are a couple of F40’s for sale
in

the US for good prices, compared to the UK. I know Simena, the F40

for sale in the UK. I would personally not go for the deep keel

version without the centreboard.

I published the text of the RCD in the files section of this board.

Best,

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, jonathan Hartshorn

<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

Thanks for this Michel.

I came close to buying an F40 in the UK recently but my surveyor

warned me off. The price you quote doesnt seem prohibitive , my

surveyor thought that 10-15000 Euros (UK prices!) would be needed
to

make the technical file.

I write to you as a personal email as the current owner is still

using this boat in the UK which apparently is illegal without a CE

mark! Who knows who monitors these user groups!

Thanks again

JonH

----- Original Message ----

From: michel.capel <michel.capel@ …>

To: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2007 9:39:14 AM

Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: EU compliance

        Jon,

I imported a US Freedom in the Neherlands in Februari 2006. I

looked

into the RCD stuff but did not (yet?) get an EC-marking. I have a

quote for a Freedom 44 type approval. The consultant asks EUR

4500;

the main work is collecting technical documentation and

translating

it in Dutch (I think translation is not a necessity, so the
price

is

steep, I feel). I would become owner of the type approval and

could ‘sell’ it to prospective F44 owners importing from outside

the

EU.

Here in the Netherlands we don’t bother yet with the RCD. No

government body really cares anyway, at this time. Only customs
and

excise wants to know if you paid your VAT.

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com, “J Hartshorn”

<howlingengines@ …> wrote:

I realise that theree have been other posts on this subject ,

BUT ,

has anyone got any recent experience of importing a non EU-
built

Freedom recently. My investigations so far seem to point to

having

to

prepare a ‘technical file’ that proves any boat-in-question is

compliant with the Recreational Craft Directive probably

involving

prohibitive investigation costs , let alone any required work
to

be done.

Thanks

jonH