Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle
looks like? I been looking through the boat and so far all I have found
is parts for a AutoHelm plus belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare
parts and a brand new never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle.
If anyone has a picture that would be nice.
Bob
Posted by hschiller2@…> (hschiller2@…>)
My F-28 has an aluminum thick-walled pipe with an off-set socket at the end.
It’s about 4 feet long. There’s nothing fancy about it; almost crude. Herm
---- Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote:
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Four foot long handle I would have to take
down the Helm station! I understand it would take a pretty good man to tiller
this boat.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
F-30 Emergency Rudder Handle
My F-28 has an aluminum thick-walled pipe with an
off-set socket at the end. It’s about 4 feet long. There’s nothing fancy about
it; almost crude. Herm
---- Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@verizon.net>
wrote:
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
I
recall that mine was a 3-4’ section of pipe inserted vertically into the emergency
tiller access hole with an L piece that came off the top for steering leverage.
You may have to remove the wheel for optimum results.
Al
Lorman
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Behalf Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:19 PM
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Four foot
long handle I would have to take down the Helm station! I understand it
would take a pretty good man to tiller this boat.
Bob
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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hschiller2@…
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:12 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bob Weeks
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-30 Emergency Rudder Handle
My F-28 has an aluminum thick-walled pipe with an off-set socket at the end.
It’s about 4 feet long. There’s nothing fancy about it; almost crude. Herm
---- Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…>
wrote:
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
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Posted by Bill Williams (escbill@…>)
If the emergency tiller handle is still there it might be bungee corded on the inside of the locker up high and against the cabin bulkhead, On the 36’ that’s where it’s kept. It does require the removal of the wheel in use, but then if you need it the wheel isn’t doing you any good anyway.
Bill
Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
Pretty
much the same location on the 30.
Al
Lorman
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If
the emergency tiller handle is still there it might be bungee corded on the
inside of the locker up high and against the cabin bulkhead, On the 36’ that’s
where it’s kept. It does require the removal of the wheel in use, but then if
you need it the wheel isn’t doing you any good anyway.
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Bill
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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)
I will have to get in the lock this weekend to replace the motor kill cable so I will hunt around as where you indicated and see if I can find it. It is amazing that the kill switch cable is not stainless steel and after talking to Boring Mack there is no plans to make it stainless. So that tells you that there is a lot of $14 invoices for the cable in any one season. A good marketing plan…Bob On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Al Lorman wrote:Pretty much the same location on the 30. Al Lorman From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Williams Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:26 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] F-30 Emergency Rudder Handle If the emergency tiller handle is still there it might be bungee corded on the inside of the locker up high and against the cabin bulkhead, On the 36’ that’s where it’s kept. It does require the removal of the wheel in use, but then if you need it the wheel isn’t doing you any good anyway. Bill
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Hi Bob,
don’t know about on the F-30, but on Bright Star (F-40 CK), the
emergency tiller was in the port cockpit lazarette. It was suspended
under the seat by a piece of truck tire inner tube at one end and bungy
cords along its length. To use it, you’d have to take off the wheel
(presumably already useless), slide the tiller bracket over the head of
the outboard rudder, and open the hydraulic steering bypass.
On Glory (Freedom 45), the emergency tiller is located under the aft
cabin bunk right by the steering quadrant. To get to it, you have to
ditch the mattress, pull up the under-mattress boards, and then stick
the socket head over the rudder shaft head. Only problem is that, being
a center cockpit, you’d have to open the hatch over the bed just to be
able to hear the person in the center cockpit who could actually see
where you were going, and then… well… it would probably take two to
steer it and I hope I never have to find out.
Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@…>
wrote:
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm
plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand
new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone
has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)
I have such a handle and although I haven’t yet tried
it. How the heck does one steer the boat with a wheel pedestal in the way? Doesn’t
seem to be in the manual although I may have missed it.
Ron
Hoyt F32
Newport RI
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Good question-I was wondering the same thing and thought maybe it would be good to have a dry run to find outron barr <rwhb@…> wrote: I have such a handle and although I haven’t yet tried it. How the heck does one steer the boat with a wheel pedestal in the way? Doesn’t seem to be in the manual although I may have missed it. Ron Hoyt
F32 Newport RI “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)
Normally when using the emergency tiller on a boat with a wheel in a pedestal,
it helps to renove the wheel, get it out of the way.
The emergency tiller is usually short, which makes it hard to use, especially in
advese condiitons when it most likely to be needed. But they don’t consider such
facors when designing most boats. They only include provisions for an emergency
tiller because it is prudent to do so, is seaworthy and may be required by USCG
or other regullations. But iit is ddefinitely an afterthought in the minds of
most boat designers and builders.
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL
---- ron barr <rwhb@…> wrote:
I have such a handle and although I haven’t yet tried it. How the heck does
one steer the boat with a wheel pedestal in the way? Doesn’t seem to be in
the manual although I may have missed it.Ron
Hoyt F32
Newport RI
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Usually they are reversed so the handle is
aft and you use it reverse of a normal tiller.
Alan
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:36
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: F-30 Emergency Rudder Handle
Good
question-I was wondering the same thing and thought maybe it would be good to
have a dry run to find out
ron barr
<rwhb@…> wrote:
I have such a handle and although I haven’t yet tried it. How the
heck does one steer the boat with a wheel pedestal in the way? Doesn’t
seem to be in the manual although I may have missed it.
Ron
Hoyt F32
Newport
RI
“Life is a Reach, then you
Jibe”
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SWARD
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Posted by Bill Williams (escbill@…>)
Tiller handle is supposed to be short enough to avoid, although you may want to remove the wheel…I’ve used mine during a test drill, but not in actual practice under need.
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
If you are talking about the fuel control cable that you pull to shut
engine down, consider using cable and chain lubricant to keep it
working. This stuff is sold by “Lubriplate”, and others, in a spray
can, generally available in bicycle shops. Herm
At 11:16 AM 5/9/2008, you wrote:
I will have to get in the lock this weekend to replace the motor
kill cable so I will hunt around as where you indicated and see if I
can find it. It is amazing that the kill switch cable is not
stainless steel and after talking to Boring Mack there is no plans
to make it stainless. So that tells you that there is a lot of $14
invoices for the cable in any one season. A good marketing plan…Bob
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Al Lorman wrote:
Pretty much the same location on the 30.
Al Lorman
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FreedomOwne
rsGroup@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:26 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] F-30 Emergency Rudder HandleIf the emergency tiller handle is still there it might be bungee
corded on the inside of the locker up high and against the cabin
bulkhead, On the 36’ that’s where it’s kept. It does require the
removal of the wheel in use, but then if you need it the wheel isn’t
doing you a
Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
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I found my emer rudder handle right where
everyone said, up against the cabin wall held in place with bungee cords.
Boy its going to require several cans of spinach to operate that puppy under a
heavy load. It would seem to me that a couple of well placed blocks
port and starboard and a line tied to the tiller and then run to both winches
would help under heavy conditions where you don’t need quick maneuvers.
Bob
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Sort of the kind of rigging that the sloop Clearwater has… About 95
feet, with a tiller, on the Hudson River Herm
At 10:05 PM 5/10/2008, you wrote:
I found my emer rudder handle right where everyone said, up against
the cabin wall held in place with bungee cords. Boy its going to
require several cans of spinach to operate that puppy under a heavy
load. It would seem to me that a couple of well placed blocks port
and starboard and a line tied to the tiller and then run to both
winches would help under heavy conditions where you don’t need quick
maneuvers.Bob
Posted by bdachris2 (cwheddon@…>)
Bob, if you’re still interested let me know. I’ll send you a photo of my
emergency tiller
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…>
wrote:
Hi Bob,
don’t know about on the F-30, but on Bright Star (F-40 CK), the
emergency tiller was in the port cockpit lazarette. It was suspended
under the seat by a piece of truck tire inner tube at one end and bungy
cords along its length. To use it, you’d have to take off the wheel
(presumably already useless), slide the tiller bracket over the head of
the outboard rudder, and open the hydraulic steering bypass.On Glory (Freedom 45), the emergency tiller is located under the aft
cabin bunk right by the steering quadrant. To get to it, you have to
ditch the mattress, pull up the under-mattress boards, and then stick
the socket head over the rudder shaft head. Only problem is that, being
a center cockpit, you’d have to open the hatch over the bed just to be
able to hear the person in the center cockpit who could actually see
where you were going, and then… well… it would probably take two to
steer it and I hope I never have to find out.Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@>
wrote:Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm
plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand
new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone
has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
If the F30 emergency tiller looks like the one on my F28 (Mull), then
what you’re searching for is about four feet of heavy-walled aluminum
alloy pipe with a short chunk of heavy pipe at right angles to it.
The short piece is notched so that it fits on the top of the rudder
which lives under the plastic inspection hatch on the very rear deck.
This is a true aluminum battle club Herm
At 08:03 PM 7/20/2008, you wrote:
Bob, if you’re still interested let me know. I’ll send you a photo
of my emergency tiller— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…> wrote:Hi Bob,
don’t know about on the F-30, but on Bright Star (F-40 CK), the
emergency tiller was in the port cockpit lazarette. It was suspended
under the seat by a piece of truck tire inner tube at one end and bungy
cords along its length. To use it, you’d have to take off the wheel
(presumably already useless), slide the tiller bracket over the head of
the outboard rudder, and open the hydraulic steering bypass.On Glory (Freedom 45), the emergency tiller is located under the aft
cabin bunk right by the steering quadrant. To get to it, you have to
ditch the mattress, pull up the under-mattress boards, and then stick
the socket head over the rudder shaft head. Only problem is that, being
a center cockpit, you’d have to open the hatch over the bed just to be
able to hear the person in the center cockpit who could actually see
where you were going, and then… well… it would probably take two to
steer it and I hope I never have to find out.Lance
— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@>
wrote:
Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm
plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand
new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone
has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)
thanks you but based on a prior posting I was able to find it now I am building arm strength in case I have to use it in the future! {:>)BobOn Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:03 PM, bdachris2 wrote:Bob, if you’re still interested let me know. I’ll send you a photo of my emergency tiller
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Emergency Tiller for F30: A large diameter aluminum tube, probably black, with a small diameter aluminum pipe welded through it at about right angles at one end. Fits through the deck port (maybe 4" in diameter) on the little sitting shelf just behind the helm. Usually stored up high on the forward end of the seat locker, also attached by elastic cords. Foolishly never gave it a try at sea…but I am sure that it will be a real workout to steer a little F30 in a serious seaway ( (I would have modestly suggested to Garry Mull to put a little more rudder ahead of the center of rotation). Handle (tiller pipe) is very short…and as I remember (but please check me) will clear the wheel when installed. My only compensation for being so foolish for not practicing the use of the emergency tiller was that I removed the
bottom plywood cover off of the steering cable system (overhead, aft center end of the aft bunk) and checked it often. Also, removed plywood cover at the bulkhead right at the very aft end of the same bunk…and could see and quickly get to… the cable quadrant on top of the rudderpost. More open access (for a thin person with no claustrophobic tendencies) is available through the very aft end of the seat locker…but it would be a terrible spot to get to in a real emergency).Relevance: My best sailing friend just lost his boat last month and very very nearly lost his life because his wheel became disconnected from his rudder and his boat became uncontrollable as it was being blown ashore off the Maryland coast in a gale. He had no quick workaround…like an emergency tiller…or quick access to the cable system. Freedoms come equipped with both. Prevention, first;
proven back-up last. Neither; Well, at our ages, it could get a lot more thrilling than we can handle. FargoEx F30#12— On Sun, 7/20/08, bdachris2 <cwheddon@…> wrote:From: bdachris2 <cwheddon@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F-30 Emergency Rudder HandleTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 8:03 PM
Bob, if you’re still interested let me know. I’ll send you a photo of my emergency tiller
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@ …> wrote:
Hi Bob,
don’t know about on the F-30, but on Bright Star (F-40 CK), the
emergency tiller was in the port cockpit lazarette. It was suspended
under the seat by a piece of truck tire inner tube at one end and bungy
cords along its length. To use it, you’d have to take off the wheel
(presumably already useless), slide the tiller bracket over the head of
the outboard rudder, and open the hydraulic steering bypass.On Glory (Freedom 45), the emergency tiller is located under the aft
cabin bunk right by the steering quadrant. To get to it, you have to
ditch the mattress, pull up the under-mattress boards, and then stick
the socket head over the rudder shaft head. Only problem is that, being
a center cockpit, you’d have to open the hatch over the bed just to be
able to hear the person in the center cockpit who could actually see
where you were going, and then… well… it would probably take two to
steer it and I hope I never have to find out.Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@ >
wrote:Can anyone tell what the emergency handle looks like? I been looking
through the boat and so far all I have found is parts for a AutoHelm
plus
belts, brand new bilge pumps, tons of Yanmar spare parts and a brand
new
never used FlexoFold prop but no emergency rudder handle. If anyone
has a
picture that would be nice.Bob
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