F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

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Posted by guestallan (guestallan@…>)

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest

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Posted by Larry Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)

Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that
we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why
did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
“North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@…

Fair winds…

Larry Kraus



guestallan wrote:

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest

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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: kracherlandl@…Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat. As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped us rapidly learn about the boat.You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the “North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior, out of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.net.Fair winds…Larry Krausguestallan wrote:>> Ahoy!> I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am> interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford> one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a> boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our> cottage is…>> Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull> models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.> Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in> my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.>> Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.> Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a> good price let me know.>> Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest>> Your chance to win great prizes with TELUS and Windows Live Messenger for Mobile. Click here for more information!

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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Allan, we have a few years on you, and my wife is new to the
sailing game as well. On the other hand I have been doing it longer than I will
tell. So far we have found the Hoyt 32, which we bought last year, a nippy
little boat, fun and easy to sail and very roomy for a 32 footer. I would not
choose it for the Loop or ICW however – unless I suppose I was just chugging
down to the Bahamas for the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished second overall in the
Bermuda 1-2 last year – in fact that owner has taken his to Europe twice. Not
my size of boat for the that trip, or for that length of time, but IMHO fine
for Bermuda. The ICW can be pretty boring in a sailboat and I always preferred
offshore both ways. I can’t imagine doing the Loop in one but that’s just my
taste. For the Loop a single screw trawler is the way to go I think. By the way
the Mull has the one advantage - the sugar scoop stern, however you can
overcome that with a stern ladder (or an extended stern) on the Hoyt. Gary Hoyt
is of course nearby to us here.

Ron
Newport RI 02840



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Allan Guest
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:05 AM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

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Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay.
We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never
sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the
world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the
Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas
and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s
are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in
the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am
more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest






To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
From: kracherlandl@…
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that
we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why
did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
“North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on
Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@…

Fair winds…

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest






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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hello Ron. Thanks for the post.

seems we are both in the same boat then…hehehe! I am 54 and crewed a 29’ Grampian for several year until i saved up for my own boat ( C&C 30). Those years a learned a lot since the owner and navigator were very experienced sailors. Only problem was the owner raced and he had the wrong boat for that purpose!
I agree about the Loop. I would only do that until my wife get sea legs. We will return from the Bahamas via Bermuda/offshore( smile).
You are most lucky to have the designer of your boat nearby to quiz him on everything. I had the same situation years ago when owned C&C’s. I spent many hrs at their plant or chatting on the phone. It was a big help!

Fair winds, Allan


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: rwhb@…Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:50 -0500Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




Allan, we have a few years on you, and my wife is new to the sailing game as well. On the other hand I have been doing it longer than I will tell. So far we have found the Hoyt 32, which we bought last year, a nippy little boat, fun and easy to sail and very roomy for a 32 footer. I would not choose it for the Loop or ICW however – unless I suppose I was just chugging down to the Bahamas for the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished second overall in the Bermuda 1-2 last year – in fact that owner has taken his to Europe twice. Not my size of boat for the that trip, or for that length of time, but IMHO fine for Bermuda. The ICW can be pretty boring in a sailboat and I always preferred offshore both ways. I can’t imagine doing the Loop in one but that’s just my taste. For the Loop a single screw trawler is the way to go I think. By the way the Mull has the one advantage - the sugar scoop stern, however you can overcome that with a stern ladder (or an extended stern) on the Hoyt. Gary Hoyt is of course nearby to us here.

Ron
Newport RI 02840



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan GuestSent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:05 AMTo: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




Hi Larry! Thanks for the email. Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks! Cheers, Allan Guest




To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: kracherlandl@bitstream.netDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat. As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped us rapidly learn about the boat.You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the “North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior, out of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.netFair winds…Larry Krausguestallan wrote:>> Ahoy!> I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am> interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford> one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a> boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our> cottage is…>> Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull> models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.> Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in> my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.>> Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.> Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a> good price let me know.>> Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest>>




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Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)

The Mull is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum except
for the much easier to handle rig. The 32 is a much roomier boat - it
is a fairly light cruiser that sails very well.

The F30 is available with a 4’6" draft. That might be a plus in the N
channel - most F32’s are 5’11" draft - occasionally you see a shoal
draft version which is at 4’11".

New England PHRF says:

C+C 30 174
C+C 30-2 144

FREEDOM 32 171
FREEDOM 30 174

J 30 144

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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hi thanks for the reply.

Actually I am no longer interested in the racing aspects to sailing. Been there…done that!
Perfer to cruise now. Stability and motion comfort is maily for my wife…lol!!! So I am keen to hear back from people with respects to that than racing … I have never sailed a Freedom.

Cheerio, Allan



To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: hjulbyhavn@…Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:49:20 +0000Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



The Mull is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum exceptfor the much easier to handle rig (friends have a C&C 30 I am not sureif it is a 1 or 2)). The 32 is a much roomier boat - it is a fairlylight cruiser that sails very well. As you can see the ratingdifferences are small - you would have to race to see the differenceson the water.New England PHRF says:C+C 30 174C+C 30-2 144FREEDOM 32 171FREEDOM 30 174J 30 144 Books, DVD’s, gadgets, music and more. Shop online with Sympatico / MSN Shopping today!

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


I am not embarrassed to ask…what is
the loop?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008
11:37 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs





Allan, we have a few years on you, and my wife is new to
the sailing game as well. On the other hand I have been doing it longer than I
will tell. So far we have found the Hoyt 32, which we bought last year, a nippy
little boat, fun and easy to sail and very roomy for a 32 footer. I would not
choose it for the Loop or ICW however – unless I suppose I was just
chugging down to the Bahamas
for the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished second overall in the Bermuda
1-2 last year – in fact that owner has taken his to Europe
twice. Not my size of boat for the that trip, or for that length of time, but
IMHO fine for Bermuda. The ICW can be pretty
boring in a sailboat and I always preferred offshore both ways. I can’t
imagine doing the Loop in one but that’s
just my taste. For the Loop a single screw
trawler is the way to go I think. By the way the Mull
has the one advantage - the sugar scoop stern, however you can overcome that
with a stern ladder (or an extended stern) on the Hoyt. Gary Hoyt is of course
nearby to us here.

Ron

Newport RI 02840



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Guest
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008
11:05 AM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

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Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay.
We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island).
If you have never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing
destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the
Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not
sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean
a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s
are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in
the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull.
But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest








To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
From: kracherlandl@bitstream.net
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull
Designs



Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull
design. But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that
we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why
did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North
Shore. Which “North Shore”
is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and
Canadian shore of LS as the
“North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore”
too? We sail on Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin.
The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.net

Fair winds…

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas
and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s
appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada,
Allan Guest








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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

In the late 80’s, Freedom added a two foot sugar scoop to the Mull 30 and it
became the Mull 32.


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-----Original Message-----
From: “Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@…>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:20:25
To:<FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs


I am not embarrassed to ask…what is the loop?

Bob


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From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:37 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs





Allan, we have a few years on you, and my wife is new to the sailing game as
well. On the other hand I have been doing it longer than I will tell. So far we
have found the Hoyt 32, which we bought last year, a nippy little boat, fun and
easy to sail and very roomy for a 32 footer. I would not choose it for the Loop
or ICW however – unless I suppose I was just chugging down to the Bahamas for
the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished second overall in the Bermuda 1-2 last year
– in fact that owner has taken his to Europe twice. Not my size of boat for the
that trip, or for that length of time, but IMHO fine for Bermuda. The ICW can be
pretty boring in a sailboat and I always preferred offshore both ways. I can’t
imagine doing the Loop in one but that’s just my taste. For the Loop a single
screw trawler is the way to go I think. By the way the Mull has the one
advantage - the sugar scoop stern, however you can overcome that with a stern
ladder (or an extended stern) on the Hoyt. Gary Hoyt is of course nearby to us
here.

Ron
Newport RI 02840



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Guest
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:05 AM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We have a
cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never sailed
there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the world. When
we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if
we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times.
My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s are
high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in the
Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am more
interested in sailing stability/compability than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest



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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
From: kracherlandl@…
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that
we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why
did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
“North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@ mailto:kracherlandl@... bitstream.net

Fair winds…

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest



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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


The Loop is the inside passage though the USA and via the ICW –
see www.greatloop.com/

Ron



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Behalf Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:20 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

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I am not
embarrassed to ask…what is the loop?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:37 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs





Allan, we have a few years on you, and
my wife is new to the sailing game as well. On the other hand I have been
doing it longer than I will tell. So far we have found the Hoyt 32, which we
bought last year, a nippy little boat, fun and easy to sail and very roomy for
a 32 footer. I would not choose it for the Loop or ICW however – unless I
suppose I was just chugging down to the Bahamas for the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished
second overall in the Bermuda 1-2 last year – in fact that owner has taken his
to Europe twice. Not my size of boat for the that trip, or for that length of
time, but IMHO fine for Bermuda. The ICW can be pretty boring in a sailboat and
I always preferred offshore both ways. I can’t imagine doing the Loop in one
but that’s just my taste. For the Loop a single screw trawler is the way to go
I think. By the way the Mull has the one advantage - the sugar scoop stern,
however you can overcome that with a stern ladder (or an extended stern) on the
Hoyt. Gary Hoyt is of course nearby to us here.

Ron
Newport RI 02840



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Guest
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:05 AM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

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Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay.
We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never
sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the
world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not
sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean
a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s
are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in
the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am
more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest








To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
From: kracherlandl@…
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi
Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that
we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why
did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
“North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior,
out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@…

Fair winds…

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:

Ahoy!
I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford
one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a
boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our
cottage is…

Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull
models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in
my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.

Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
good price let me know.

Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest








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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hi Bob! No problem. "The Loop is the Intercoastal …seem Ron Barr beat me to it! …lol!!!

Cheers, Allan


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: rweeks6508@…Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:20:25 -0500Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




I am not embarrassed to ask…what is the loop?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barrSent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:37 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs





Allan, we have a few years on you, and my wife is new to the sailing game as well. On the other hand I have been doing it longer than I will tell. So far we have found the Hoyt 32, which we bought last year, a nippy little boat, fun and easy to sail and very roomy for a 32 footer. I would not choose it for the Loop or ICW however – unless I suppose I was just chugging down to the Bahamas for the season.

It is a seaworthy craft and finished second overall in the Bermuda 1-2 last year – in fact that owner has taken his to Europe twice. Not my size of boat for the that trip, or for that length of time, but IMHO fine for Bermuda. The ICW can be pretty boring in a sailboat and I always preferred offshore both ways. I can’t imagine doing the Loop in one but that’s just my taste. For the Loop a single screw trawler is the way to go I think. By the way the Mull has the one advantage - the sugar scoop stern, however you can overcome that with a stern ladder (or an extended stern) on the Hoyt. Gary Hoyt is of course nearby to us here.

Ron
Newport RI 02840



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan GuestSent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:05 AMTo: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




Hi Larry! Thanks for the email. Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie to sailing…lol!I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom 32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability than looks! Cheers, Allan Guest




To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: kracherlandl@bitstream.netDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2 years ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design. But we love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures that we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the boat. As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or "why did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have helped us rapidly learn about the boat.You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the “North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on Superior, out of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to handle. The camber spar makes the tacking effortless. We also haven’t flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.netFair winds…Larry Krausguestallan wrote:>> Ahoy!> I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am> interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford> one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking for a> boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore where our> cottage is…>> Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt & Mull> models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.> Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the eye in> my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.>> Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.> Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a> good price let me know.>> Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest>>




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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
As an F30 sailor…with lots of shallow water experience…and a measuring tape… I wouldn’t count on the 4’ 6" draft number appearing on the F30 literature. Mine was as close as I could measure it…right at 4’ 11" from the factory waterline down. Can’t imagine that I had a special model…or that the lead stretched. FargoMedium Al <hjulbyhavn@…> wrote: The Mull is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum except for the much easier to handle rig. The 32 is a much roomier boat - it is a fairly light cruiser
that sails very well. The F30 is available with a 4’6" draft. That might be a plus in the N channel - most F32’s are 5’11" draft - occasionally you see a shoal draft version which is at 4’11". New England PHRF says: C+C 30 174 C+C 30-2 144 FREEDOM 32 171 FREEDOM 30 174 J 30 144

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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

Most of us who have measured the draft of our shoal draft F30s come out at close
to 5’.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:10:58
To:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs


As an F30 sailor…with lots of shallow water experience…and a measuring
tape… I wouldn’t count on the 4’ 6" draft number appearing on the F30
literature. Mine was as close as I could measure it…right at 4’ 11" from the
factory waterline down. Can’t imagine that I had a special model…or that the
lead stretched.

Fargo

Medium Al <hjulbyhavn@…> wrote:

The Mull is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum except
for the much easier to handle rig. The 32 is a much roomier boat - it
is a fairly light cruiser that sails very well.

The F30 is available with a 4’6" draft. That might be a plus in the N
channel - most F32’s are 5’11" draft - occasionally you see a shoal
draft version which is at 4’11".

New England PHRF says:

C+C 30 174
C+C 30-2 144

FREEDOM 32 171
FREEDOM 30 174

J 30 144

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


I agree with Fargo, I also measured and its closer to 4’11”
via lead line and depth sounder. Now that you reminded me while it is on the
hard on my next trip down to pet her I will measure it.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008
8:11 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs




As an F30
sailor…with lots of shallow water experience…and a measuring tape…
I wouldn’t count on the 4’ 6" draft number appearing on the F30
literature. Mine was as close as I could measure it…right at 4’ 11"
from the factory waterline down. Can’t imagine that I had a special
model…or that the lead stretched.

Fargo

Medium Al
<hjulbyhavn@yahoo.com> wrote:



The Mull
is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum except
for the much easier to handle rig. The 32 is a much roomier boat - it
is a fairly light cruiser that sails very well.

The F30 is available with a 4’6" draft. That might be a plus in the N
channel - most F32’s are 5’11" draft - occasionally you see a shoal
draft version which is at 4’11".

New England PHRF says:

C+C 30 174
C+C 30-2 144

FREEDOM 32 171
FREEDOM 30 174

J 30 144


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Posted by Larry and Linda Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)

Hi Allen,

Can only speak for the Hoyt 32. What I like about it is that in a blow,
it leans to a certain point, then it just drives.No rounding up for this
boat. This is in comparison to the Beneteaus and Catalinas we have
chartered. They were all very tender. When the wind came up, you had to
drop sail to keep them stable. Our boat has the 6 foot keel. I would
guess that that helps with the stability. She races up above 7 knots in
a beat pretty easily, and tacks through about 100 to 110 degrees. Once
on a run. with full sails up last year, we had it at 8.6 knots. A little
surfing going on there but it was a great ride. Our experience is not as
extensive as many of the others on the board, but we’ve had great fun in
her so far.

Our biggest repair expense so far was to have the hull ground out and
had new barrier coat and bottom paint. Turns out the hull was loaded
with voids. They weren’t blisters though. They weren’t wet and the
bottom tested very dry. We had it in Superior all last summer and when
they pulled it, the bottom was perfect. Looked like brand new. So we’re
very happy with the bottom fix up. We’re on to new instruments now.
Started with a Tacktick wireless wind speed indicator. The boat speed
and depth are data marine and they still work well so we’re holding off
on that stuff. So it’s a joy and a work in progress. My guess is that
you’ll find that any older boat you get will have similar needs if they
haven’t already been taken care of by previous owners. One thing I will
say about our boat is that the interior is very large and private. If
you’re having another couple on board, the separate cabins are great.
You’d have to get a much larger new boat to get the creature comforts of
the Hoyt 32. I’d also say a great boat for a wife that’s a “newbie.” So
easy to sail. Fast enough and yet stable. What’s not to like?

I’ve never sailed in Georgian Bay, but the magazine pics looks
beautiful. You’re lucky to be there.

Fair winds…

LK

Allan Guest wrote:

Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We
have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have
never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing
destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the
Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have
sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie
to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom
32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space
down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks
of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability
than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest

------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
From: kracherlandl@...
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2
years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven't sailed on a Mull design.
But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures
that
we've had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the
boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, 'why didn't they fix that?' or
"why
did they do it that way?' But doing the repairs and upgrades have
helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which "North Shore" is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
"North Shore". Is that your "North Shore" too? We sail on
Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking ef fortless. We also
haven't
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you'd like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@...
<mailto:kracherlandl@...>.

Fair winds...

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:
>
> Ahoy!
> I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
> interested in the Freedom 32...I would love the F35 but can't afford
> one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50's) are looking
for a
> boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore
where our
> cottage is..
>
> Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt &
Mull
> models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
> Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull's appears nicer to the
eye in
> my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.
>
> Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
> Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
> good price let me know.
>
> Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest
>
>

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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hi again Larry,

Thanks for the info. I am leaning towards Hoyt F32 for not just the space but it appears to be more seaworthy…but having never sailed one…I could be wrong. Not to offend anyone but Beneteau’s excluding the S series and the Catalina’s are not something I would care to spend much liveaboard time on. Poorly built, tender and underpowered(motor wise).

Actually our cottage is near the North Channel (north end of Manitoulin Island) …the channel running W/E connecting Lake Huron to Georgian Bay. You must check it out some time. There Is a mountain range along the north part of the channel ( La Clouche Mts.), several bays,inlets and the only Fijord in North America. Like I said it’s rated in the top 10 sailing destinations in the world!!!

Pluses:
lots of anchorages, not over -crowded like some places in the Bahamas,BVI,etc., great scenery, lots of wildlife,great fishing, people are friendly,etc.

Negatives:
Water is darn cold to swim in!!!
NO fast food, Starbucks or Tim Horton’s here!!!
Oh you need to keep your eye ear on the depth guage/sounder…can go from very deep to 4’ real quick ohhh watch out for them shoals too!
Locals are on Jamaican time …so you better chill out!

Aloha, Allan Guest


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: kracherlandl@…Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:38:15 -0600Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Hi Allen,Can only speak for the Hoyt 32. What I like about it is that in a blow, it leans to a certain point, then it just drives.No rounding up for this boat. This is in comparison to the Beneteaus and Catalinas we have chartered. They were all very tender. When the wind came up, you had to drop sail to keep them stable. Our boat has the 6 foot keel. I would guess that that helps with the stability. She races up above 7 knots in a beat pretty easily, and tacks through about 100 to 110 degrees. Once on a run. with full sails up last year, we had it at 8.6 knots. A little surfing going on there but it was a great ride. Our experience is not as extensive as many of the others on the board, but we’ve had great fun in her so far.Our biggest repair expense so far was to have the hull ground out and had new barrier coat and bottom paint. Turns out the hull was loaded with voids. They weren’t blisters though. They weren’t wet and the bottom tested very dry. We had it in Superior all last summer and when they pulled it, the bottom was perfect. Looked like brand new. So we’re very happy with the bottom fix up. We’re on to new instruments now. Started with a Tacktick wireless wind speed indicator. The boat speed and depth are data marine and they still work well so we’re holding off on that stuff. So it’s a joy and a work in progress. My guess is that you’ll find that any older boat you get will have similar needs if they haven’t already been taken care of by previous owners. One thing I will say about our boat is that the interior is very large and private. If you’re having another couple on board, the separate cabins are great. You’d have to get a much larger new boat to get the creature comforts of the Hoyt 32. I’d also say a great boat for a wife that’s a “newbie.” So easy to sail. Fast enough and yet stable. What’s not to like?I’ve never sailed in Georgian Bay, but the magazine pics looks beautiful. You’re lucky to be there.Fair winds…LKAllan Guest wrote:>> Hi Larry!> > Thanks for the email.> Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We > have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have > never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing > destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the > Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have > sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie > to sailing…lol!> I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom > 32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space > down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks > of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability > than looks!> > Cheers, Allan Guest>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> From: kracherlandl@bitstream.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600> Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs>> Hi Allen,>> Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2> years> ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design.> But we> love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures> that> we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the> boat.> As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to> issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or> "why> did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have> helped> us rapidly learn about the boat.>> You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake> Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the> “North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on> Superior, out> of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in> good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to> handle. The camber spar makes the tacking ef fortless. We also> haven’t> flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.>> If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e> mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.net> <mailto:kracherlandl@bitstream.net>.>> Fair winds…>> Larry Kraus>> guestallan wrote:> >> > Ahoy!> > I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am> > interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford> > one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking> for a> > boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore> where our> > cottage is…> >> > Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt &> Mull> > models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.> > Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the> eye in> > my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.> >> > Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.> > Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a> > good price let me know.> >> > Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest> >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Your chance to win great prizes with TELUS and Windows Live Messenger > for Mobile. Click here for more information! > http://www.telusmobility.com/on/wweb/instant_messaging.shtml> Discover a magical Christmas destination. Visit asksanta.ca today!

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

one…I could be wrong. Not to offend anyone but Beneteau’s excluding
the S series and the Catalina’s are not something I would care to
spend much liveaboard time on. Poorly built, tender and underpowered>
(motor wise).

I wouldn’t worry too much about offending anyone on this board with a
statement like that :wink:

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Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

Maybe I’m being dense, but I’m still confused about the varieties of the Freedom
32/33/35. Hoyt? Mull? Etc.?

The Freedom 33 that I know of is a cat ketch with a long cabin, low-profile
coach roof with lots of camber and about 5 small opening ports on each side. I
know there are centerboard, shallow full-keel and deeper fin-keeled versions of
that boat.

But then there are all those others?? Some cat ketches with different cabin and
deck designs? Some sloop versions? And the British versions and permutations
thereof???

Somebody sent a British brochure which shows various models at the bottom. But
I don’t know which is which.

I find it all very confusing. What I need is a definitive illustrated diagram
of all those versions with their common and scientific names, like biological
specimens, like a key for the identification of plants or birds.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL


---- Larry and Linda Kraus <kracherlandl@…> wrote:

Hi Allen,

Can only speak for the Hoyt 32. What I like about it is that in a blow,
it leans to a certain point, then it just drives.No rounding up for this
boat. This is in comparison to the Beneteaus and Catalinas we have
chartered. They were all very tender. When the wind came up, you had to
drop sail to keep them stable. Our boat has the 6 foot keel. I would
guess that that helps with the stability. She races up above 7 knots in
a beat pretty easily, and tacks through about 100 to 110 degrees. Once
on a run. with full sails up last year, we had it at 8.6 knots. A little
surfing going on there but it was a great ride. Our experience is not as
extensive as many of the others on the board, but we’ve had great fun in
her so far.

Our biggest repair expense so far was to have the hull ground out and
had new barrier coat and bottom paint. Turns out the hull was loaded
with voids. They weren’t blisters though. They weren’t wet and the
bottom tested very dry. We had it in Superior all last summer and when
they pulled it, the bottom was perfect. Looked like brand new. So we’re
very happy with the bottom fix up. We’re on to new instruments now.
Started with a Tacktick wireless wind speed indicator. The boat speed
and depth are data marine and they still work well so we’re holding off
on that stuff. So it’s a joy and a work in progress. My guess is that
you’ll find that any older boat you get will have similar needs if they
haven’t already been taken care of by previous owners. One thing I will
say about our boat is that the interior is very large and private. If
you’re having another couple on board, the separate cabins are great.
You’d have to get a much larger new boat to get the creature comforts of
the Hoyt 32. I’d also say a great boat for a wife that’s a “newbie.” So
easy to sail. Fast enough and yet stable. What’s not to like?

I’ve never sailed in Georgian Bay, but the magazine pics looks
beautiful. You’re lucky to be there.

Fair winds…

LK

Allan Guest wrote:

Hi Larry!

Thanks for the email.
Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We
have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have
never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing
destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the
Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have
sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie
to sailing…lol!
I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom
32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space
down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks
of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability
than looks!

Cheers, Allan Guest

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To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
From: kracherlandl@...
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs

Hi Allen,

Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2
years
ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven't sailed on a Mull design.
But we
love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures
that
we've had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the
boat.
As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to
issues that will cause you to say, 'why didn't they fix that?' or
"why
did they do it that way?' But doing the repairs and upgrades have
helped
us rapidly learn about the boat.

You mention the North Shore. Which "North Shore" is that? On Lake
Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the
"North Shore". Is that your "North Shore" too? We sail on
Superior, out
of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in
good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to
handle. The camber spar makes the tacking ef fortless. We also
haven't
flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.

If you'd like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e
mail to kracherlandl@...
<mailto:kracherlandl@...>.

Fair winds...

Larry Kraus

guestallan wrote:
>
> Ahoy!
> I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am
> interested in the Freedom 32...I would love the F35 but can't afford
> one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50's) are looking
for a
> boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore
where our
> cottage is..
>
> Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt &
Mull
> models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.
> Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull's appears nicer to the
eye in
> my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.
>
> Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.
> Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a
> good price let me know.
>
> Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest
>
>

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Posted by Allan Guest (guestallan@…>)

Hi Steve join the dense group 2 then! lol!!!

I agree with your comments. There is little info on the web and I am still searching for Hoyt 32 brochures!!!
I am in the same boat as you ( pun… pun…).

I am very interested in the Hoyt 32 but due to lack of information and group support maybe I might be leaning towards another builder. Pearson’s or Hunter’s groups have loads of details and support. Why not Freedoms??? Even Nonsuch have great info/owner support and a boat I am also seriously considering.

Here is what little I know about the F-32’s ( I am not interested in the 33’ or Ketch rigs or British models since there are no Brit boats here that I am aware of)

In North America there were at least 2 F-32’s made. They were made around the same time which makes things more confusing.

The Hoyt 32 has the larger beam of 12’ 3" and a LWL 25’9’, DISP of 9000 - 9300lb draft of 4’ 11’ to 6’The Mull 32 was originally the F-30 with an added after the fact scoop on the stern to = 32’
Beam= 10’5" LWL = 25.4’ DISP=7660lb (although I’ve seen them listed on Yachtworld with up to 9000lb displacement) Draft = 4’9" to 5’6"

Besides the fact that the Mull is much more tender and faster than the Hoyt model it also isn’t as good for long term cruising in IMHO. Also I have spoken to owners of both models to get a second/third opinion.
I might add to date I have never sailed either boat. There aren’t any of them around my neck of the woods! The Hoyt F-32 is still near the top of my next purchase list. Maybe other members here could help us out with more details or advise us where we can find out more…Come on guys/gals we need your help!

Fair winds and shiver me timbers, Allan Guest


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comCC: kracherlandl@…From: sgaber@…Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:33:03 -0500Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs



Maybe I’m being dense, but I’m still confused about the varieties of the Freedom 32/33/35. Hoyt? Mull? Etc.?The Freedom 33 that I know of is a cat ketch with a long cabin, low-profile coach roof with lots of camber and about 5 small opening ports on each side. I know there are centerboard, shallow full-keel and deeper fin-keeled versions of that boat. But then there are all those others?? Some cat ketches with different cabin and deck designs? Some sloop versions? And the British versions and permutations thereof???Somebody sent a British brochure which shows various models at the bottom. But I don’t know which is which.I find it all very confusing. What I need is a definitive illustrated diagram of all those versions with their common and scientific names, like biological specimens, like a key for the identification of plants or birds. Steve GaberSanderling, 1967 C-31 #77Oldsmar, FL---- Larry and Linda Kraus <kracherlandl@bitstream.net> wrote: > > Hi Allen,> > Can only speak for the Hoyt 32. What I like about it is that in a blow, > it leans to a certain point, then it just drives.No rounding up for this > boat. This is in comparison to the Beneteaus and Catalinas we have > chartered. They were all very tender. When the wind came up, you had to > drop sail to keep them stable. Our boat has the 6 foot keel. I would > guess that that helps with the stability. She races up above 7 knots in > a beat pretty easily, and tacks through about 100 to 110 degrees. Once > on a run. with full sails up last year, we had it at 8.6 knots. A little > surfing going on there but it was a great ride. Our experience is not as > extensive as many of the others on the board, but we’ve had great fun in > her so far.> > Our biggest repair expense so far was to have the hull ground out and > had new barrier coat and bottom paint. Turns out the hull was loaded > with voids. They weren’t blisters though. They weren’t wet and the > bottom tested very dry. We had it in Superior all last summer and when > they pulled it, the bottom was perfect. Looked like brand new. So we’re > very happy with the bottom fix up. We’re on to new instruments now. > Started with a Tacktick wireless wind speed indicator. The boat speed > and depth are data marine and they still work well so we’re holding off > on that stuff. So it’s a joy and a work in progress. My guess is that > you’ll find that any older boat you get will have similar needs if they > haven’t already been taken care of by previous owners. One thing I will > say about our boat is that the interior is very large and private. If > you’re having another couple on board, the separate cabins are great. > You’d have to get a much larger new boat to get the creature comforts of > the Hoyt 32. I’d also say a great boat for a wife that’s a “newbie.” So > easy to sail. Fast enough and yet stable. What’s not to like?> > I’ve never sailed in Georgian Bay, but the magazine pics looks > beautiful. You’re lucky to be there.> > Fair winds…> > LK> > Allan Guest wrote:> >> > Hi Larry!> > > > Thanks for the email.> > Our home base is “The North Shore” of Lake Huron & Georgian Bay. We > > have a cottage(soon to be our home on Manitoulin Island). If you have > > never sailed there it is considered on of the top 10 sailing > > destinations in the world. When we retire we also plan on sailing "the > > Loop/I.C. and the Bahamas…not sure if we’ll go any further. I have > > sailed the IC/ Bahamas and Caribbean a few times. My wife is a newbie > > to sailing…lol!> > I am still doing research on which boat would best our needs. Freedom > > 32’s are high on my list just not sure which design is best. The space > > down below in the Hoyt design is great. But above I prefer the looks > > of the Mull. But I am more interested in sailing stability/compability > > than looks!> > > > Cheers, Allan Guest> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > From: kracherlandl@bitstream.net> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 -0600> > Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F-32 Hoyt vs Mull Designs> >> > Hi Allen,> >> > Larry Kraus here. My wife and I (both in our 50s) bought an F32 2> > years> > ago. Ours is a Hoyt design. We haven’t sailed on a Mull design.> > But we> > love our F32. Being a 1984 there have been some system adventures> > that> > we’ve had to resolve, but none has dampened our enthusiasm for the> > boat.> > As with anything you buy that is 20+ years old, there are going to> > issues that will cause you to say, ‘why didn’t they fix that?’ or> > "why> > did they do it that way?’ But doing the repairs and upgrades have> > helped> > us rapidly learn about the boat.> >> > You mention the North Shore. Which “North Shore” is that? On Lake> > Superior, we refer to the Minnesota and Canadian shore of LS as the> > “North Shore”. Is that your “North Shore” too? We sail on> > Superior, out> > of Bayfield Wisconsin. The F32 is very stable and pleasantly fast in> > good winds (up to 28 knots so far) and easy for 2 people our age to> > handle. The camber spar makes the tacking ef fortless. We also> > haven’t> > flown the spinnaker yet. Hopefully, next summer.> >> > If you’d like to have direct dialogue about the boat, just send an e> > mail to kracherlandl@bitstream.net> > <mailto:kracherlandl@bitstream.net>.> >> > Fair winds…> >> > Larry Kraus> >> > guestallan wrote:> > >> > > Ahoy!> > > I am searching for a boat after a few years being a landlubber. I am> > > interested in the Freedom 32…I would love the F35 but can’t afford> > > one at this time. Anyway my wife and I(in our 50’s) are looking> > for a> > > boat to cruise the IC Loop, the Bahamas and the North Shore> > where our> > > cottage is…> > >> > > Could someone tell me the sailing differences between the Hoyt &> > Mull> > > models. I know the obvious by looking at the specs.> > > Has anyone sailed on both of them???Mull’s appears nicer to the> > eye in> > > my opinion but is a foot narrower in the beam.> > >> > > Would like to have anyone with brochures email them to me.> > > Anyone know of one for sail in very good to excellent condition at a> > > good price let me know.> > >> > > Fair winds from Canada, Allan Guest> > >> > >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------> > Your chance to win great prizes with TELUS and Windows Live Messenger > > for Mobile. Click here for more information! > > http://www.telusmobility.com/on/wweb/instant_messaging.shtml> > >

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Fargo,
You’re right on. My Mull 28 is spec’d at 4’6" too. I
measured mine at an actual 4’10". It still ticks me off because I
said to myself that “it’s only 1” deeper than my Freedom 25, the thin
water near us wouldn’t be that much more of a problem". It IS more of
a problem! Herm

At 08:10 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:

As an F30 sailor…with lots of shallow water experience…and a
measuring tape… I wouldn’t count on the 4’ 6" draft number
appearing on the F30 literature. Mine was as close as I could
measure it…right at 4’ 11" from the factory waterline down. Can’t
imagine that I had a special model…or that the lead stretched.

Fargo

Medium Al <hjulbyhavn@…> wrote:
The Mull is a lot like the C&C on the racer-cruiser spectrum except
for the much easier to handle rig. The 32 is a much roomier boat - it
is a fairly light cruiser that sails very well.

The F30 is available with a 4’6" draft. That might be a plus in the N
channel - most F32’s are 5’11" draft - occasionally you see a shoal
draft version which is at 4’11".

New England PHRF says:

C+C 30 174
C+C 30-2 144

FREEDOM 32 171
FREEDOM 30 174

J 30 144