Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My boat is on its
trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some sawhorses to
paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going to have to
round up to
help me.
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Two guys - one on each end preferably.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going to
have to round up to
help me.
Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
I am faced with the same task but I will have to save the mast work
for next winter. I figure the wing mast weighs at least 170 lbs.
Provided one has enough room behind the boat I would feed the mast off
the stern of the boat. I think this task could easily use four people.
While the mast is down make sure to check the mast bearing.
Jim D
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
170 seems like an awfully high weight estimate.
I’ve handled some aluminum masts on similar sized boats that were a
fraction of that weight. Theoretically the carbon fiber masts are
supposed to be lighter than aluminum.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “James Driebeek”
<jim3bk@…> wrote:
I am faced with the same task but I will have to save the mast work
for next winter. I figure the wing mast weighs at least 170 lbs.
Provided one has enough room behind the boat I would feed the mast
off
the stern of the boat. I think this task could easily use four
people.
While the mast is down make sure to check the mast bearing.Jim D
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Consider building a 2"x4" device across the rear pulpit, to which a
boat trailer keel roller is fastened. This will let you roll the
thing off the stern with some control. The mast weighs about 100 lbs.
Herm
At 07:27 PM 3/22/2007, Dave_Benjamin wrote:
Two guys - one on each end preferably.
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going to
have to round up to
help me.
Posted by Jere (wizardstuff@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.
The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by Alan (akusinitz@…>)
Keep in mind the comparison would be the weight of the freestanding
mast versus the aluminum mast with all standing rigging (unless the
aluminum mast is freestanding as well).
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
170 seems like an awfully high weight estimate.
I’ve handled some aluminum masts on similar sized boats that were a
fraction of that weight. Theoretically the carbon fiber masts are
supposed to be lighter than aluminum.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “James Driebeek”
<jim3bk@> wrote:I am faced with the same task but I will have to save the mast
work
for next winter. I figure the wing mast weighs at least 170 lbs.
Provided one has enough room behind the boat I would feed the
mast
off
the stern of the boat. I think this task could easily use four
people.
While the mast is down make sure to check the mast bearing.Jim D
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@>
wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?
My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
And be careful. I’ve read that the considerable strength of carbon fiber is a lot less apparent when the masts are not vertical. That is, they can be crushed more easily than you might imagine when they’re on their sides.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_BenjaminSent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:05 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F25 mast weight
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt. At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid. That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jere” <wizardstuff@…> wrote:>> >> >> > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:> > >> > > Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My> > boat is on its trailer with > > > the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some> > sawhorses to paint it and install > > > a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going> > to have to round up to > > > help me.> > >> >> The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.>
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
If that’s the case makes me wonder
why mast collars for rigid vangs with their high sudden point loads are a good
idea.
Alan
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To:
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Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: F25 mast weight
And be careful. I’ve read that the
considerable strength of carbon fiber is a lot less apparent when the masts are
not vertical. That is, they can be crushed more easily than you might
imagine when they’re on their sides.
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Benjamin
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:05
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F25 mast weight
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast
weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
\
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I tightened the mast collar for the vang very carefully. I was really just pointing out that carbon fiber masts are much stronger in the vertical mode than in the horizontal mode.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:04 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F25 mast weight
If that’s the case makes me wonder why mast collars for rigid vangs with their high sudden point loads are a good idea.
Alan
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:15 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F25 mast weight
And be careful. I’ve read that the considerable strength of carbon fiber is a lot less apparent when the masts are not vertical. That is, they can be crushed more easily than you might imagine when they’re on their sides.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_BenjaminSent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:05 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F25 mast weight
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt. At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid. That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jere” <wizardstuff@…> wrote:>> >> >> > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:> > >> > > Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My> > boat is on its trailer with > > > the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some> > sawhorses to paint it and install > > > a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going> > to have to round up to > > > help me.> > >> >> The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.>
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
My Mull 28-footer’s mast appears to be about TWICE the weight of my
previous 25-footer’s wing mast. Perhaps it’s overbuilt, but it seems
still perfect after 20 years. BTW, I used a home-made A-frame to
single-handedly step/unstep the 25-footer’s mast using only the
4-to-one mainsheet tackle with a lot of extra line. I also used the
keel roller device on my pulpits to ease moving the mast fore or aft
during the seasonal process. Herm
At 04:04 PM 3/23/2007, Dave_Benjamin wrote:
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Understood. What you said just made me
think about it. There’s certainly plenty of evidence that the mast
collars for the vangs work well and the mast is plenty strong for those loads,
so their quite strong even in their weakest direction.
Alan
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:12
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: F25 mast weight
I tightened the mast collar for the vang
very carefully. I was really just pointing out that carbon fiber masts
are much stronger in the vertical mode than in the horizontal mode.
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[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Kusinitz
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:04
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: F25 mast weight
If that’s the case makes me wonder why mast collars for rigid
vangs with their high sudden point loads are a good idea.
Alan
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:15
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: F25 mast weight
And be careful. I’ve read that the considerable strength of
carbon fiber is a lot less apparent when the masts are not vertical. That
is, they can be crushed more easily than you might imagine when they’re on
their sides.
-----Original
Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Benjamin
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:05 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F25 mast weight
I know
that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
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written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be
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penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers
to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or
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Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
Herm, do you have any pictures of your F25 A-frame setup? I have seen
the F21 write up of a British chap but was wondering what materials
you used to construct yours?
thanks Jim D
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
My Mull 28-footer’s mast appears to be about TWICE the weight of my
previous 25-footer’s wing mast. Perhaps it’s overbuilt, but it
seems
still perfect after 20 years. BTW, I used a home-made A-frame to
single-handedly step/unstep the 25-footer’s mast using only the
4-to-one mainsheet tackle with a lot of extra line. I also used the
keel roller device on my pulpits to ease moving the mast fore or
aft
during the seasonal process. HermAt 04:04 PM 3/23/2007, Dave_Benjamin wrote:
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite
overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing
mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to
some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys
I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
I will have to send my mast to weight watchers. I weighed it this
morning and came up with 162 lbs not too far off from my 170lbs
guess. Fgljff when you have your mast down off the boat would you
please weigh it and report the weight so I can perform a sanity check
on myself?
Thanks Jim D
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@>
wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?
My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
You mean I deadlifted 170 lbs. every Spring and Fall ?. Holy Cow, I’m
only a 155 lb. wonder.!! The only explanation for this is that some
of these masts were a lot more “substantial” than others. Herm
At 11:56 AM 3/24/2007, James Driebeek wrote:
I will have to send my mast to weight watchers. I weighed it this
morning and came up with 162 lbs not too far off from my 170lbs
guess. Fgljff when you have your mast down off the boat would you
please weigh it and report the weight so I can perform a sanity check
on myself?Thanks Jim D
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@…>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@>
wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?
My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
I bought my F25 last spring and had the mast stepped by crane. Last
fall however I unsepped it myself with the main sheet blocks and an
A-frame that was too short. I now realize the center of gravity is
around 17 feet from the bottom of the mast. Herm, could you describe
the 20 foot A frame you used? Did you make it out of wood? I am
thinking of making an aluminum one. jim d
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
You mean I deadlifted 170 lbs. every Spring and Fall ?. Holy Cow, I’m
only a 155 lb. wonder.!! The only explanation for this is that some
of these masts were a lot more “substantial” than others. HermAt 11:56 AM 3/24/2007, James Driebeek wrote:
I will have to send my mast to weight watchers. I weighed it this
morning and came up with 162 lbs not too far off from my 170lbs
guess. Fgljff when you have your mast down off the boat would you
please weigh it and report the weight so I can perform a sanity check
on myself?Thanks Jim D
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Jere” <wizardstuff@>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@>
wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?
My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I assume that whatever the British guy designed had to be
fundamentally similar to what I developed.
No pictures but: I glued up two 20-1/2-foot 2"x4"s using an 1:8
splice with epoxy glue. Then I stiffened the whole thing with 2"x2"
glued onto the sides of the 2x4s to make a “T”. Holes drilled on
the “bottom” of each piece to accommodate a small line to secure to
the hardware at the rail that is athwartships to the mast partners.
At the top ends, I wound some fiberglass tape saturated with epoxy
resin., and then drilled a (oversize) hole for a 5/16" bolt. The
oversize hole permitted the A-frame to spread it legs. This bolt had
three tangs (made of galvanized scrap metal about 1/16" thick) hung
from the bolt. One tang to shackle to my mainsheet gear or vang gear
(with longer lines), one for a line to the stern of the boat, and one
to the bow. These lines acted as stays. The trick to handling the
mast is to find its center of gravity, and permanently mark this on
the mast. One then lets a loop of line (around the mast) to be
raised to the center of gravity (by the mainsheet gear), and
securing this line to the gooseneck, or the rotation limiter. You are
then lifting the mast at the center of its gravity which permits you
to easily position it. A cleat on one of the A-frame uprights lets
you cleat off the lifting line to cope with whatever comes up
(including inserting the wiring for the masthead lights into the mast
step). Note that the C-of-G mark must be forward, under the hoist
point before lifting. I accomplished that with a wooden fixture that
I clamped to the bow pulpit, and it had a rubber trailer keel roller
so that I could place the mast on the roller, and carrying the other
end, rolled to and fro from its stored (winter) position suspended
between the bow and stern pulpits. If I had to do this all over
again, I would try to find an inexpensive source for aluminum tubing,
preferably rectangular because it’s easier to fasten things to, and
drill accurate holes in. However, the wooden arrangement worked for
me for many years.
I’m now stuck with a much bigger mast (Mull 28), and at my age I let
the yard lift the mast for me.
Herm
11:03 AM 3/24/2007, James Driebeek wrote:
Herm, do you have any pictures of your F25 A-frame setup? I have seen
the F21 write up of a British chap but was wondering what materials
you used to construct yours?
thanks Jim D
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:My Mull 28-footer’s mast appears to be about TWICE the weight of my
previous 25-footer’s wing mast. Perhaps it’s overbuilt, but it
seems
still perfect after 20 years. BTW, I used a home-made A-frame to
single-handedly step/unstep the 25-footer’s mast using only the
4-to-one mainsheet tackle with a lot of extra line. I also used the
keel roller device on my pulpits to ease moving the mast fore or
aft
during the seasonal process. HermAt 04:04 PM 3/23/2007, Dave_Benjamin wrote:
I know that Gary Mull was quite critical of the mast weights on the
boats he designed for Freedom. Apparently some were quite
overbuilt.
At least my recommendation for two guys, one at each end is valid.
That’s a lot heavier a spar than I thought.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoo
groups.com,“Jere” <wizardstuff@>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@> wrote:
Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing
mast? My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to
some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys
I’m going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
The round masts are lighter than the wing masts.Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote: You mean I deadlifted 170 lbs. every Spring and Fall ?. Holy Cow, I’m only a 155 lb. wonder.!! The only explanation for this is that some of these masts were a lot more “substantial” than others. HermAt 11:56 AM 3/24/2007, James Driebeek wrote:>I will have to send my mast to weight watchers. I weighed it this>morning and came up with 162 lbs not too far off from my 170lbs>guess.
Fgljff when you have your mast down off the boat would you>please weigh it and report the weight so I can perform a sanity check>on myself?>>Thanks Jim D>>— In >mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, >“Jere” <wizardstuff@…>>wrote:> >> > >> > >>> > > — In > mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, > “fgljff” <fgljff@>>wrote:> > > >> > > > Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?>My> > > boat is on its trailer with> > > > the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some>
sawhorses to paint it and install> > > > a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m>going> > > to have to round up to> > > > help me.> > > >> > >> > The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.> >>>
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I know that 20 feet is minimum A-frame upright length, which is why I
feel 20’6" is optimal. 20 feet gives you a very small distance to
clear the bottom of the mast as it comes in/out of the mast partner
hole. Aluminum will be way lighter to erect than the wood thing I
built, and if you can the aluminum tubing at an affordable price,
it’s the way to go.
BTW, I’ve seen an Ensign sailor using a single upright, which had
four lines for stays. However, the Ensign mast is way lighter than
the Freedom 25. Herm
At 08:17 PM 3/24/2007, you wrote:
I bought my F25 last spring and had the mast stepped by crane. Last
fall however I unsepped it myself with the main sheet blocks and an
A-frame that was too short. I now realize the center of gravity is
around 17 feet from the bottom of the mast. Herm, could you describe
the 20 foot A frame you used? Did you make it out of wood? I am
thinking of making an aluminum one. jim d— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:You mean I deadlifted 170 lbs. every Spring and Fall ?. Holy Cow, I’m
only a 155 lb. wonder.!! The only explanation for this is that some
of these masts were a lot more “substantial” than others. HermAt 11:56 AM 3/24/2007, James Driebeek wrote:
I will have to send my mast to weight watchers. I weighed it this
morning and came up with 162 lbs not too far off from my 170lbs
guess. Fgljff when you have your mast down off the boat would you
please weigh it and report the weight so I can perform a sanity check
on myself?Thanks Jim D
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:freedomyachts20
03%40yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,“Jere” <wizardstuff@>
wrote:— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogr
oups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,“fgljff” <fgljff@>
wrote:Does anyone know the weight of an F25 carbon fiber wing mast?
My
boat is on its trailer with
the mast lying across the pulpits. I’d like to move it to some
sawhorses to paint it and install
a new masthead light. But I’d like to know how many guys I’m
going
to have to round up to
help me.The mast weighs approximately 135 lbs. without attachments.