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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)



Does anyone know the specs of the camber spar
on a F30? Mine was apparently cut to shorten for whatever reason and now
the new jib does not fit properly. I need to length but I have no idea
how much….
Also is this used on other boats, does
anyone still make these?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007
3:55 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
First time mast pull on Freedom 35




The harness arrangement in the book is pretty
accurate. Just be
careful when starting the lift as the mast may stick in place,
especially if it hasn’t been removed in a while. A good crane
operator should be able to handle the job properly.
Good Luck
TW

At 06:30 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:

I am going to be hauling my Freedom 35 (#70, 1997) a little early
this year, and plan to pull the mast for the first time to renew 10
year old halyards and do some mast head maintenance. I am not sure
if my yard hands have pulled a Freedom spar before, but I have not,
so I would like to tap the experience of this august group and
request any advice, suggestions and help that you can offer. I have
the hand book and have studied the drawings, but theory only goes so
far! Where are the hidden problems?

Thanks in advance.

Malcolm Jarvis, F35 Peter Duck

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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Bob:

My
F30 camber spar is adjustable in length; there is a pop rivet which holds two pieces
together and the rivet could be removed the lengthen the spar some unknown length.

The
camber spar is, I believe, still available from David Bierig Sailmakers in
Pennsylvania.

Al
Lorman
F30
Ab Initio



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Does
anyone know the specs of the camber spar on a F30? Mine was apparently
cut to shorten for whatever reason and now the new jib does not fit
properly. I need to length but I have no idea how much….
Also is
this used on other boats, does anyone still make these?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:55 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] First time mast pull on Freedom 35




The harness arrangement in the book is pretty accurate. Just be
careful when starting the lift as the mast may stick in place,
especially if it hasn’t been removed in a while. A good crane
operator should be able to handle the job properly.
Good Luck
TW

At 06:30 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:

I am going to be hauling my Freedom 35 (#70, 1997) a little early
this year, and plan to pull the mast for the first time to renew 10
year old halyards and do some mast head maintenance. I am not sure
if my yard hands have pulled a Freedom spar before, but I have not,
so I would like to tap the experience of this august group and
request any advice, suggestions and help that you can offer. I have
the hand book and have studied the drawings, but theory only goes so
far! Where are the hidden problems?

Thanks in advance.

Malcolm Jarvis, F35 Peter Duck

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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
I had the exact same issue on my F-30 when I replaced my jib (a prior owner had shortened the spar). I had my new jib made at Haarstick. When I took my camberspar apart (by drilling out the stainless rivets) I could not extend it far enough to fit my new sail. I ended up having Dave Berig (he is the inventor of the camberspar) made me a new end to the length I specified. My suggestion would be that you put the camberspar in the new sail and place modest tension on it and see how much longer it needs to be. Then take it apart to determine if you have enough length in your existing stainless end to the spar to make it fit. If so, simply drill new holes, put in new stainless rivets and you are good to go. If not, call Dave. He will make another end piece for about $100 (a steal in my book that anything stainless with multiple welds and a few small pieces didn’t cost 5 times that). Dave can be reached at
814-459-8001. JeffBob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote: Does anyone know the specs of the camber spar on a F30? Mine was apparently cut to shorten for whatever reason and now the new jib does not fit properly. I need to length but I have no idea how much…. Also is this used on other boats, does anyone still make these? Bob From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:55 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] First time mast pull on Freedom 35 The harness arrangement in the book is pretty accurate. Just be careful when starting the lift as the mast may stick
in place, especially if it hasn’t been removed in a while. A good crane operator should be able to handle the job properly.Good LuckTWAt 06:30 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:>I am going to be hauling my Freedom 35 (#70, 1997) a little early >this year, and plan to pull the mast for the first time to renew 10 >year old halyards and do some mast head maintenance. I am not sure >if my yard hands have pulled a Freedom spar before, but I have not, >so I would like to tap the experience of this august group and >request any advice, suggestions and help that you can offer. I have >the hand book and have studied the drawings, but theory only goes so >far! Where are the hidden problems?>>Thanks in advance.>>Malcolm Jarvis, F35 Peter Duck>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.5.484 /
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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)


Dave just made a camber spar for my Freedom 32 (Hoyt). He did a great job. Increased the diameter to 1 1/2 inches to make it a bit more sturdy.

The new spar works great. The price, though, was $400 and not $100. It took about 3 weeks for him to fabricate it. He doesn’t work over the web, so it was a bit like calling into the 1980’s, but the work is excellent.

Even for $400 is a steal!

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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

When I was at Bacon’s in Annapolis last fall, they had a camberspar from a
larger Freedom for about $50. Perhaps it could be shortened.

Al Lorman
Law Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street NW, Suite 300
Washington DC 20006
Tel/fax: 202.263.1100

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Dave just made a camber spar for my Freedom 32 (Hoyt). He did a great job.
Increased the diameter to 1 1/2 inches to make it a bit more sturdy.

The new spar works great. The price, though, was $400 and not $100. It took
about 3 weeks for him to fabricate it. He doesn’t work over the web, so it was
a bit like calling into the 1980’s, but the work is excellent.

Even for $400 is a steal!

Scott
Girlfriend




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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)

I believe Jeff only had the end made not the whole spar for $100.
Does Dave have VM at least? I called but it just rang and rang…
Do both ends swiel? My current swiels at the stay end but is
stationary at the mast end.

Bob



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Dave just made a camber spar for my Freedom 32 (Hoyt). He did a
great job.
Increased the diameter to 1 1/2 inches to make it a bit more
sturdy.

The new spar works great. The price, though, was $400 and not
$100. It
took about 3 weeks for him to fabricate it. He doesn’t work over
the web, so it
was a bit like calling into the 1980’s, but the work is excellent.

Even for $400 is a steal!

Scott
Girlfriend

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

The mast end must be stationary (vs. the camberspar) in order for the
camberspar to “flip” when the jib tack block’s pull changes sides
when you tack. The stay end swivels when the camberspar flips when
you tack. Herm

:At 11:42 AM 8/23/2007, you wrote:

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I believe Jeff only had the end made not the whole spar for $100.
Does Dave have VM at least? I called but it just rang and rang…
Do both ends swiel? My current swiels at the stay end but is
stationary at the mast end.

Bob

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,
jsforgey@… wrote:

Dave just made a camber spar for my Freedom 32 (Hoyt). He did a
great job.
Increased the diameter to 1 1/2 inches to make it a bit more
sturdy.

The new spar works great. The price, though, was $400 and not
$100. It
took about 3 weeks for him to fabricate it. He doesn’t work over
the web, so it
was a bit like calling into the 1980’s, but the work is excellent.

Even for $400 is a steal!

Scott
Girlfriend

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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)


That was my experience, too.

The product was great, but from an old model of communication.

It sure works, though.

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Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

…Does Dave have VM at least? I called but it just rang and
rang…

No voice mail. No fax machine. No email. No website or even an
internet connection of any type. No cell phone. No receptionist
anwering the phone, he answers the plain black telephone that’s
sitting on his desk by himself. Forget paging, text messages, instant
messaging or any fancy-pants stuff like that. You call and he’s
either there and answers or he isn’t and he doesn’t.

When I talked to him about making my new sail I asked “How do you
want to do the payment? Should I pay up front or send you a deposit
or somthing?”

“How about this;” he answered. “I make the sail. I send it to you.
Then you mail me a check.”

I got a hand-written invoice with the (beautiful) new sail. I’m not
even sure if he takes credit cards.

I like this guy.