F30 Mast step clanking

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Posted by fargo_r (fargo_r@…>)

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fargo_rSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clankingJust completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

On my F-33 which may have a different mast step arrangement then yours I have bolts that screw into the aluminum mast step collar. They are ground smooth where they go into the holes in the mast sides. I have some problems with abrasion and I’d guess if left for a very long time damage could be done that allow enough play for the mast to lift or swivel too much. there and am looking for a better arrangement. Not sure how later Freedom secured the mast from rotating but would be interested.
In addition there are rubber mast wedges between the collar and mast.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982 SEAPR

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fargo_rSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clankingJust completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA=00

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The clanking is
caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and the
mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about this
on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions
ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to
wrapping the mast step with duct tape.

I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode Island
and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast step.
I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of the
mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly loose
and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-
stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no further
problem.







— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…>
wrote:

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis
to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8
knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120
mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end
of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid
clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have
heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the
ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice
from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

On my F-33 there’s no inner plug so the mast can move around and the wedges and bolts I guess were supposed to perform this function but don’t do it too well. On your 36 are there also bolts to stop rotation and hold the mast down?
Thanks
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: macks011
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking
I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The clanking is caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and the mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about this on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to wrapping the mast step with duct tape.I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode Island and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast step. I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of the mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly loose and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no further problem.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…> wrote:>> Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to > Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots > running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile > ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of > each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. > Very disturbing in the middle of the night. > > I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard > that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean > again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from > this wise group of Freedom owners??? > > Fargo> F30#12 NARISA>

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Posted by Dave Evans (dave@…>)

The bolt doesn’t need to be tight; it just lays in the slot in the “stump” and keeps the mast from rotating. The easiest solution is the tape one: have the mast lifted a couple of feet, wrap tape around the stump and refit. Easier said than done if you haven’t had the mast pulled recently; then you have to learn about the “horsecollar” at the partners.

dge

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fargo_rSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clankingJust completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA=00

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

There is an “L” bracket that keeps the mast from rotating and
provides a connection for the mast ground. I don’t think its purpose
is to hold the mast “down”. The mast taper, poly wedge and collar at
the partners perform that function.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

On my F-33 there’s no inner plug so the mast can move around and
the wedges and bolts I guess were supposed to perform this function
but don’t do it too well. On your 36 are there also bolts to stop
rotation and hold the mast down?
Thanks
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: macks011
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking

I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The
clanking is
caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and
the
mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about
this
on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions
ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to
wrapping the mast step with duct tape.

I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode
Island
and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast
step.
I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of
the
mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly
loose
and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-
stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no
further
problem.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r”
<fargo_r@y…>
wrote:

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from
Annapolis
to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to
8
knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120
mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the
end
of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good
solid
clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years.
Have
heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the
ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any
advice
from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

It looks like the problem is more one of rotation and abrasion on the bolts through the mast (metal against composite). Sounds like there must be something different in the later designs since you don’t seem to have this problem. I’m on my 3rd solution so far.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: macks011
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking
There is an “L” bracket that keeps the mast from rotating and provides a connection for the mast ground. I don’t think its purpose is to hold the mast “down”. The mast taper, poly wedge and collar at the partners perform that function.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@y…> wrote:>> On my F-33 there’s no inner plug so the mast can move around and the wedges and bolts I guess were supposed to perform this function but don’t do it too well. On your 36 are there also bolts to stop rotation and hold the mast down?> Thanks> Alan> ----- Original Message ----- > From: macks011 > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:25 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking> > > I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The clanking is > caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and the > mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about this > on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions > ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to > wrapping the mast step with duct tape.> > I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode Island > and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast step. > I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of the > mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly loose > and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-> stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no further > problem.> > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…> > wrote:> >> > Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis > to > > Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 > knots > > running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 > mile > > ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end > of > > each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid > clunk. > > Very disturbing in the middle of the night. > > > > I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have > heard > > that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the > ocean > > again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice > from > > this wise group of Freedom owners??? > > > > Fargo> > F30#12 NARISA> >> > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson > Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

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Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
We have had the same problem on our 33. Before I ever got around doing anything a bout it, I (unintentionally !!) beached her in six foot surf, and she pounded and rolled through almost 180 degrees, for several hours. We did not hear the clanging then, on accountof all the other racket. When we, the next day, pulled her out of the water, no damage was found. However, a week or so later, the mainmast went overboard, failing at the deck level. When we pulled the stump, we found that the foot of the mast had been totally destroyed, ground to pieces, where the two 5/8 set bolts had gone into the layup. (with no backing whatsoever) Figuring the mizzen would probably go the same way, only later, due to lesser motion, I pulled it and inserted a 2 inch aluminum disc, machined to very close tolerance to fit very snug, and
with holes drilled and tapped for the set bolts. That put a permanent end to the problem. PS what also astounded me, is that the entire layup of the main, even at the greatest stress point, was no greater than 3/16 of an inch, and as little as 1/8, varying across a horizontal plane. With that kind of diameter, there can not be much margin of safety.macks011 <macks04@…> wrote: There is an “L” bracket that keeps the mast from rotating and provides a connection for the mast ground. I don’t think its purpose is to hold the mast “down”. The mast taper, poly wedge and collar at the partners perform that function.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:>> On my F-33 there’s no inner plug so the mast can move around and the wedges and bolts I guess were supposed to perform this function but don’t do it too well. On your 36 are there also bolts to stop rotation and hold the mast down?> Thanks> Alan> ----- Original Message ----- > From: macks011 > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:25 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking> > > I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The clanking is > caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and the > mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about this > on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions

ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to > wrapping the mast step with duct tape.> > I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode Island > and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast step. > I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of the > mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly loose > and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-> stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no further > problem.> > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…> > wrote:> >> > Just completed a wild ride
down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis > to > > Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 > knots > > running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 > mile > > ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end > of > > each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid > clunk. > > Very disturbing in the middle of the night. > > > > I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have > heard > > that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the > ocean > > again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice
from > > this wise group of Freedom owners??? > > > > Fargo> > F30#12 NARISA> >> > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson > Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>
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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

The mast heel fits the step with some clearance,often provided to adjust
rake. It needs blocking,and Freedom recommends not using wood. I used
polyurethane bar ,durometer 70,cut into wedges to fit tightly,then hammered
in .The bolts are to keep the mast from rotating.
----- Original Message -----
From: “fargo_r” <fargo_r@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

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Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
WE had the same problem on our F33, about ten years ago. Before getting to deal with the problem, I ran the boat (unintentionally!!) up on the beack in six foot surf, where she bounced around for a few hours. Hauling her out the next day showed no visible damage. However, the boat had gone through quite a few almost 180 degree rolls and wild bounces on that beach, and although at that time we had not heard the clanking, because of the general racket going on, I am sure the mast clanked plenty. The next day we hauled her out (having pulled her off on a rising tide) and found no visible damage. However, a couple of weeks later the main mast went overboard, in little wind, breaking at deck level. The stump, when we pulled it, showed what had happened: The bottom of the mast had been destroyed , (when we bounced on that beach) the area
where the holes had been made for the set bolts was completely gone, the rest was jagged, and frayed. The mast had lost all support from the collar. Anticipating the same might be happening to the mizzen, I pulled it and found no damage as yet. As a preventative, I had a 2 inch aluminum disc machined to precise dimensions, drilled and tapped for the set bolts, and then inserted the disc into the bottom of the mast. That was some ten years ago, and the mizzen stands… (the main was replaced with an aluminum stick. Why did they bother with that temperamental carbon stuff anyway??) PS I might add here, I was shocked to find the layup of that broken stick to be a maximum of three sixteenths, and a minimum of one eight, with the variation occurring in the same horizontal plane. That leves little
margin for safety. fargo_r <fargo_r@…> wrote: Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12
NARISA
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Thanks very much for the detail. The previous owner of mine had made an oak insert like you indicate you did in aluminum. I was surfing downwind at 8-9.5 knots one day which I think got the better of the oak. I noticed some abrasion at the deck collar and pulled the masts for the winter. The mizzen was fine but their was abrasion at the deck collar of the main but just superficial. At the base of the main the oak was shot and the holes in the mast were abraded with slight abrasion at the bottom of the mast but clearly something to worry about.
I glassed thick layers inside the mast where the bolts go through and filled the existing holes. I also spartited at the deck level.
Unfortunately the yard when stepping the mast and redrilling the holes decided to tap them rather then make the part of the bolt that goes into the mast just smooth. I pulled the masts to check them at the end of the season and their okay but I can see some slight abrasion so I’m on to my next try. An aluminum ring sounds like a great idea and since it will be in contact with glass not carbon shouldn’t have an electrolysis issue.
Thanks again.

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Minelli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

WE had the same problem on our F33, about ten years ago. Before getting to deal with the problem, I ran the boat (unintentionally!!) up on the beack in six foot surf, where she bounced around for a few hours. Hauling her out the next day showed no visible damage. However, the boat had gone through quite a few almost 180 degree rolls and wild bounces on that beach, and although at that time we had not heard the clanking, because of the general racket going on, I am sure the mast clanked plenty.

The next day we hauled her out (having pulled her off on a rising tide) and found no visible damage. However, a couple of weeks later the main mast went overboard, in little wind, breaking at deck level. The stump, when we pulled it, showed what had happened: The bottom of the mast had been destroyed , (when we bounced on that beach) the area where the holes had been made for the set bolts was completely gone, the rest was jagged, and frayed. The mast had lost all support from the collar.

Anticipating the same might be happening to the mizzen, I pulled it and found no damage as yet. As a preventative, I had a 2 inch aluminum disc machined to precise dimensions, drilled and tapped for the set bolts, and then inserted the disc into the bottom of the mast. That was some ten years ago, and the mizzen stands…
(the main was replaced with an aluminum stick. Why did they bother with that
temperamental carbon stuff anyway??)

PS I might add here, I was shocked to find the layup of that broken stick to be a maximum of three sixteenths, and a minimum of one eight, with the variation occurring in the same horizontal plane. That leves little margin for safety.

fargo_r <fargo_r@...> wrote:

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA



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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Have you had your mast out and noticed any abrasion or ovalization at the bolt holes?
Thanks
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome Weinraub
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking
The mast heel fits the step with some clearance,often provided to adjust rake. It needs blocking,and Freedom recommends not using wood. I used polyurethane bar ,durometer 70,cut into wedges to fit tightly,then hammered in .The bolts are to keep the mast from rotating.----- Original Message ----- From: “fargo_r” <fargo_r@…>To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking> Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to> Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots> running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile> ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of> each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk.> Very disturbing in the middle of the night.>> I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard> that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean> again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from> this wise group of Freedom owners???>> Fargo> F30#12 NARISA>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

By the way, both masts on my have a much thicker layup at the base then you indicated.
What Hull # is yours mine is 51 in 1982.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Minelli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking

We have had the same problem on our 33. Before I ever got around doing anything a bout it, I (unintentionally !!) beached her in six foot surf, and she pounded and rolled through almost 180 degrees, for several hours. We did not hear the clanging then, on accountof all the other racket. When we, the next day, pulled her out of the water, no damage was found. However, a week or so later, the mainmast went overboard, failing at the deck level.
When we pulled the stump, we found that the foot of the mast had been totally destroyed, ground to pieces, where the two 5/8 set bolts had gone into the layup. (with no backing whatsoever)
Figuring the mizzen would probably go the same way, only later, due to lesser motion, I pulled it and inserted a 2 inch aluminum disc, machined to very close tolerance to fit very snug, and with holes drilled and tapped for the set bolts.

That put a permanent end to the problem.

PS what also astounded me, is that the entire layup of the main, even at the greatest stress point, was no greater than 3/16 of an inch, and as little as 1/8, varying across a horizontal plane. With that kind of diameter, there can not be much margin of safety.macks011 <macks04@…> wrote:
There is an “L” bracket that keeps the mast from rotating and provides a connection for the mast ground. I don’t think its purpose is to hold the mast “down”. The mast taper, poly wedge and collar at the partners perform that function.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@y…> wrote:>> On my F-33 there’s no inner plug so the mast can move around and the wedges and bolts I guess were supposed to perform this function but don’t do it too well. On your 36 are there also bolts to stop rotation and hold the mast down?> Thanks> Alan> ----- Original Message ----- > From: macks011 > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:25 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Mast step clanking> > > I had and repaired the exact same problem on my F36. The clanking is > caused by too much play between the mast step circumference and the > mast butt inner circumference. There was some discussion about this > on the old board and a number of people reported on solutions > ranging from pouring in epoxy (definately not recommended) to > wrapping the mast step with duct tape.> > I spoke to Paul Dennis at Warren River Boat Works in Rhode Island > and he rented me a try plug which was the diameter of the mast step. > I then laid in a layer of fiberglass around the inner surface of the > mast butt and tested the fit with the plug. I left it slightly loose > and wrapped the mast step with one layer of duct tape when I re-> stepped the mast. I did that three years ago and have had no further > problem.> > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@y…> > wrote:> >> > Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis > to > > Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 > knots > > running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 > mile > > ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end > of > > each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid > clunk. > > Very disturbing in the middle of the night. > > > > I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have > heard > > that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the > ocean > > again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice > from > > this wise group of Freedom owners??? > > > > Fargo> > F30#12 NARISA> >> > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson > Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>



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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

Again,Freedom warns against any non-resilient material bearing against the mast,as it can cause excess pressure(hard spots) in local areas ,precipitating failure. Hence the use of polyurethane at the partners and the mast step. I purchased 4x4" poly bar,70 durometeron the net,cut it into wedges, and have had no problems in 5 yrs of use

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Kusinitz
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

Thanks very much for the detail. The previous owner of mine had made an oak insert like you indicate you did in aluminum. I was surfing downwind at 8-9.5 knots one day which I think got the better of the oak. I noticed some abrasion at the deck collar and pulled the masts for the winter. The mizzen was fine but their was abrasion at the deck collar of the main but just superficial. At the base of the main the oak was shot and the holes in the mast were abraded with slight abrasion at the bottom of the mast but clearly something to worry about.
I glassed thick layers inside the mast where the bolts go through and filled the existing holes. I also spartited at the deck level.
Unfortunately the yard when stepping the mast and redrilling the holes decided to tap them rather then make the part of the bolt that goes into the mast just smooth. I pulled the masts to check them at the end of the season and their okay but I can see some slight abrasion so I’m on to my next try. An aluminum ring sounds like a great idea and since it will be in contact with glass not carbon shouldn’t have an electrolysis issue.
Thanks again.

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Minelli
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

WE had the same problem on our F33, about ten years ago. Before getting to deal with the problem, I ran the boat (unintentionally!!) up on the beack in six foot surf, where she bounced around for a few hours. Hauling her out the next day showed no visible damage. However, the boat had gone through quite a few almost 180 degree rolls and wild bounces on that beach, and although at that time we had not heard the clanking, because of the general racket going on, I am sure the mast clanked plenty.

The next day we hauled her out (having pulled her off on a rising tide) and found no visible damage. However, a couple of weeks later the main mast went overboard, in little wind, breaking at deck level. The stump, when we pulled it, showed what had happened: The bottom of the mast had been destroyed , (when we bounced on that beach) the area where the holes had been made for the set bolts was completely gone, the rest was jagged, and frayed. The mast had lost all support from the collar.

Anticipating the same might be happening to the mizzen, I pulled it and found no damage as yet. As a preventative, I had a 2 inch aluminum disc machined to precise dimensions, drilled and tapped for the set bolts, and then inserted the disc into the bottom of the mast. That was some ten years ago, and the mizzen stands…
(the main was replaced with an aluminum stick. Why did they bother with that
temperamental carbon stuff anyway??)

PS I might add here, I was shocked to find the layup of that broken stick to be a maximum of three sixteenths, and a minimum of one eight, with the variation occurring in the same horizontal plane. That leves little margin for safety.

fargo_r <fargo_r@...> wrote:

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA



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Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
Jerome, Pherhaps I should have mentioned that I filled the gap between the out side of the mast skin and the collar with epoxy. Also, I had greatly reinforced the skin , starting at deick level (through the deck, and all the way to the bottom. I think the various caveats
and objections to owner-designed and installed changes have less to do with genuine engineering concerns by the builder, and have more to do with a diligent legal staff, collecting potential defense arguments for possible use in the future. The change I had made to the mast base is now over ten years old, ten years of full time cruising in the Caribbean, including some fairly wild rides down the Colombian Coast in 20 ft seas. The proof is in the pudding, Jerome. As an aside, it would be perhaps good for all memembers , if we, when we post a message, include a brief statement, identifying the boat owned, for how long, and whether or not the writer has any connection and or interest to Freedom beyond the ownership of one of their vessels. I own my Freedom 33 since 1983. there is no
further connection between me and the various organizations involved in producing and or marketing Freedom boats, present and past. Jerome Weinraub <zayde@…> wrote: Again,Freedom warns against any non-resilient material bearing against the mast,as it can cause excess pressure(hard spots) in local areas ,precipitating failure. Hence the use of polyurethane at the partners and the mast step. I purchased 4x4" poly bar,70 durometeron the net,cut it into wedges, and have had no problems in 5 yrs of use
----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Kusinitz To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking Thanks very much for the detail. The previous owner of mine had made an oak insert like you indicate you did in aluminum. I was surfing downwind at 8-9.5 knots one day which I think got the better of the oak. I noticed some abrasion at the deck collar and pulled the masts for the winter. The mizzen was fine but their was abrasion at the deck
collar of the main but just superficial. At the base of the main the oak was shot and the holes in the mast were abraded with slight abrasion at the bottom of the mast but clearly something to worry about. I glassed thick layers inside the mast where the bolts go through and filled the existing holes. I also spartited at the deck level. Unfortunately the yard when stepping the mast and redrilling the holes decided to tap them rather then make the part of the bolt that goes into the mast just smooth. I pulled the masts to check them at the end of the season and their okay but I can see some slight abrasion so I’m on to my next try. An aluminum ring sounds like a great idea and since it will be in contact with glass not carbon shouldn’t have an electrolysis issue. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Minelli To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking WE had the same problem on our F33, about ten years ago. Before getting to deal with the problem, I ran the boat (unintentionally!!) up on the beack in six foot surf, where she bounced around for a few hours. Hauling her out the next day showed no visible damage. However,
the boat had gone through quite a few almost 180 degree rolls and wild bounces on that beach, and although at that time we had not heard the clanking, because of the general racket going on, I am sure the mast clanked plenty. The next day we hauled her out (having pulled her off on a rising tide) and found no visible damage. However, a couple of weeks later the main mast went overboard, in little wind, breaking at deck level. The stump, when we pulled it, showed what had happened: The bottom of the mast had been destroyed , (when we bounced on that beach) the area where the holes had been made for the set bolts was completely gone, the rest was jagged, and frayed. The mast had lost all support from the collar. Anticipating the same might be happening to the mizzen, I pulled it and found no damage as yet. As a
preventative, I had a 2 inch aluminum disc machined to precise dimensions, drilled and tapped for the set bolts, and then inserted the disc into the bottom of the mast. That was some ten years ago, and the mizzen stands… (the main was replaced with an aluminum stick. Why did they bother with that temperamental carbon stuff anyway??) PS I might add here, I was shocked to find the layup of that broken stick to be a maximum of three sixteenths, and a minimum of one eight, with the variation occurring in the same horizontal plane. That leves little margin for safety. fargo_r <fargo_r@…> wrote: Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake
Bay from Annapolis to Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north. Surfing at 7 to 8 knots running under double reefed main…BUT at the end of the 120 mile ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its step. At the end of each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives a good solid clunk. Very disturbing in the middle of the night. I think that the mast has not been unstepped in many years. Have heard that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go out in the ocean again or push the boat under sail until this is fixed. Any advice from this wise group of Freedom owners??? FargoF30#12 NARISA Yahoo! PersonalsLet fate take it’s course directly to your email.See who’s waiting for you Yahoo! Personals SPONSORED LINKS Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing
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Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)

Dave,

Right on. I have the bolt hand tight but I can tell
you, the mast ain’t going anywhere vertically or
rotationally, that plastic collar grips the mast like
glue. The only movement I’ve ever experienced is
perhaps one eighth inch (or less) jump at the mast
base is heavy weather and only infrequently at that.
For those that have a looser step and want to be able
to get the mast out in the future I would think the
duck tape solution is the best answer.

Your “easier said than done” comment is also true. I
lifted the bow of the boat out of the water by the
mast after I had removed the aluminum collar. That’s
how tight the plastic gripped the mast at the
partners. Took me two hours to break the bond and get
that darn plastic out so I could remove the mast.

MIke

— Dave Evans <dave@…> wrote:

MessageThe bolt doesn’t need to be tight; it just
lays in the slot in the “stump” and keeps the mast
from rotating. The easiest solution is the tape one:
have the mast lifted a couple of feet, wrap tape
around the stump and refit. Easier said than done if
you haven’t had the mast pulled recently; then you
have to learn about the “horsecollar” at the
partners.

dge
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but
did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the
step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I
could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of fargo_r
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay
from Annapolis to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north.
Surfing at 7 to 8 knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the
end of the 120 mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its
step. At the end of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives
a good solid clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in
many years. Have heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go
out in the ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is
fixed. Any advice from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Mike:

Have you ever found black powder at the base of your mast? I do occasionally, and I wonder whether it is carbon being abraded by the bolt or from the rubbing of interior cables. Similarly, my halyards turn distinctly gray. Is this typical?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike cunninghamSent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clankingDave,Right on. I have the bolt hand tight but I can tellyou, the mast ain’t going anywhere vertically orrotationally, that plastic collar grips the mast likeglue. The only movement I’ve ever experienced isperhaps one eighth inch (or less) jump at the mastbase is heavy weather and only infrequently at that.For those that have a looser step and want to be ableto get the mast out in the future I would think theduck tape solution is the best answer. Your “easier said than done” comment is also true. Ilifted the bow of the boat out of the water by themast after I had removed the aluminum collar. That’show tight the plastic gripped the mast at thepartners. Took me two hours to break the bond and getthat darn plastic out so I could remove the mast.MIke— Dave Evans <dave@…> wrote:> MessageThe bolt doesn’t need to be tight; it just> lays in the slot in the “stump” and keeps the mast> from rotating. The easiest solution is the tape one:> have the mast lifted a couple of feet, wrap tape> around the stump and refit. Easier said than done if> you haven’t had the mast pulled recently; then you> have to learn about the “horsecollar” at the> partners. > > dge> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lorman, Alvin J. > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step> clanking> > > This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but> did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the> step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I> could tighten the nut by hand.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > -----Original Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf> Of fargo_r> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step> clanking> > > Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay> from Annapolis to > Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north.> Surfing at 7 to 8 knots > running under double reefed main…BUT at the> end of the 120 mile > ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its> step. At the end of > each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives> a good solid clunk. > Very disturbing in the middle of the night. > > I think that the mast has not been unstepped in> many years. Have heard > that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go> out in the ocean > again or push the boat under sail until this is> fixed. Any advice from > this wise group of Freedom owners??? > > Fargo> F30#12 NARISA> > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the> web.> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an> email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the> Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > =00> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed> above as to tax matters was neither written nor> intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw> LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer> for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may> be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or> refers to any such tax advice in promoting,> marketing or recommending a partnership or other> entity, investment plan or arrangement to any> taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support> the promotion or marketing (by a person other than> Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or> matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice> based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from> an independent tax advisor> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > This email and any files transmitted with it are> intended solely for the use of the individual or> entity to whom they are addressed. If you have> received this email in error please notify the> system manager. If you are not the named addressee> you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this> e-mail. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)

Al,

I’ve never really paid attention. I do clean around
the mast base periodically and I notice typical
dirt/dust buid up you would expect in that somewhat
remote area of the sole. Don’t recall seeing anything
that struck me as unusual like mast filings for
example.

My halyards don’t seem to be discoloring in any way
although my mast wiring slaps around in there when at
anchor. Note, I am in an extremely well protected
marina, there is almost never any substantial hull
movement while I am in the slip. If I did get some
movement at the slip I could definately imagine some
abrasion taking place along the mast wiring runs.

The bolt installed at the base of my mast is fairly
loose. I have the nut hand tight - but secure. When I
stepped the mast I ensured that the bolt lined up
pretty cleanly with the slot in the hull plug (as I
recall the slot is somewhat wider that the bolt
diameter). The mast hasn’t moved rotationally so the
bolt doesn’t bear on anything, as a result there’s
nothing to be abrading.

MIke

— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:

Mike:

Have you ever found black powder at the base of your
mast? I do
occasionally, and I wonder whether it is carbon
being abraded by the
bolt or from the rubbing of interior cables.
Similarly, my halyards
turn distinctly gray. Is this typical?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mike cunningham
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:27 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

Dave,

Right on. I have the bolt hand tight but I can tell
you, the mast ain’t going anywhere vertically or
rotationally, that plastic collar grips the mast
like
glue. The only movement I’ve ever experienced is
perhaps one eighth inch (or less) jump at the mast
base is heavy weather and only infrequently at that.
For those that have a looser step and want to be
able
to get the mast out in the future I would think the
duck tape solution is the best answer.

Your “easier said than done” comment is also true. I
lifted the bow of the boat out of the water by the
mast after I had removed the aluminum collar. That’s
how tight the plastic gripped the mast at the
partners. Took me two hours to break the bond and
get
that darn plastic out so I could remove the mast.

MIke

— Dave Evans <dave@…> wrote:

MessageThe bolt doesn’t need to be tight; it just
lays in the slot in the “stump” and keeps the mast
from rotating. The easiest solution is the tape
one:
have the mast lifted a couple of feet, wrap tape
around the stump and refit. Easier said than done
if
you haven’t had the mast pulled recently; then you
have to learn about the “horsecollar” at the
partners.

dge
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but
did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the
step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose
I
could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
Of fargo_r
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake
Bay
from Annapolis to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north.
Surfing at 7 to 8 knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the
end of the 120 mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its
step. At the end of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast
gives
a good solid clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in
many years. Have heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to
go
out in the ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is
fixed. Any advice from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:
The black debris (in my case) had two sources. One, the carbon fiber
from the mast butt grinding on the step and two, debris from the
degrading pipe insulation around the mast wires. The mast wire
insulation also accounts for the discoleration of the halyards.

When I rewired, I used 24" giant wire ties from Home Depot, spread
90 * apart around the wire bundle on 4’ centers along the length. No
slap or noise in 5 years.

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Mike:

Have you ever found black powder at the base of your mast? I do
occasionally, and I wonder whether it is carbon being abraded by
the
bolt or from the rubbing of interior cables. Similarly, my
halyards
turn distinctly gray. Is this typical?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike
cunningham
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:27 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step clanking

Dave,

Right on. I have the bolt hand tight but I can tell
you, the mast ain’t going anywhere vertically or
rotationally, that plastic collar grips the mast like
glue. The only movement I’ve ever experienced is
perhaps one eighth inch (or less) jump at the mast
base is heavy weather and only infrequently at that.
For those that have a looser step and want to be able
to get the mast out in the future I would think the
duck tape solution is the best answer.

Your “easier said than done” comment is also true. I
lifted the bow of the boat out of the water by the
mast after I had removed the aluminum collar. That’s
how tight the plastic gripped the mast at the
partners. Took me two hours to break the bond and get
that darn plastic out so I could remove the mast.

MIke

— Dave Evans <dave@s…> wrote:

MessageThe bolt doesn’t need to be tight; it just
lays in the slot in the “stump” and keeps the mast
from rotating. The easiest solution is the tape one:
have the mast lifted a couple of feet, wrap tape
around the stump and refit. Easier said than done if
you haven’t had the mast pulled recently; then you
have to learn about the “horsecollar” at the
partners.

dge
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

This seems somewhat obvious, so forgive me, but
did you check the bolt that holds the mast to the
step? When I bought my F30, the bolt was so loose I
could tighten the nut by hand.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:23 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Mast step
clanking

Just completed a wild ride down the Chesapeake Bay
from Annapolis to
Norfolk in 25 kn. gusting 30 out of the north.
Surfing at 7 to 8 knots
running under double reefed main…BUT at the
end of the 120 mile
ride the mast was snapping back and forth on its
step. At the end of
each 1/16 to 1/8 in. lateral stroke the mast gives
a good solid clunk.
Very disturbing in the middle of the night.

I think that the mast has not been unstepped in
many years. Have heard
that they are hard to lift. But I don’t want to go
out in the ocean
again or push the boat under sail until this is
fixed. Any advice from
this wise group of Freedom owners???

Fargo
F30#12 NARISA

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