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Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt winds,
but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main, but it
took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the slightest
wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is generally
much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any guidance on
this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)

Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with one reef. Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind increase leave some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher yet, ease the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it works. From all I have read in this forum on these boats, one reef should be ok in 15-20 knots, it is for me. Some days I don’t even reef till over twenty. The 28 and 30 are very similar. Hope I can learn from some of the other posts you get on this topic. It is a good one!

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:55 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim
I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt winds, but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main, but it took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the slightest wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is generally much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any guidance on this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom? Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Doug:

Thanks for sharing your tactics. Steve Haarstick, from whom I bought my new sails, contacted me offline with some suggestions, which I’m sure he wouldn’t mind my sharing:

Al,

I read your e-mail today, and while I’m not sure how the main was trimmed, here are a few tips to remove excessive weather helm in heavy air.

1.) When reefing the main, make sure that the reef line is winched in very tight, so that the span between the reef tack and reefed clew is FLAT. If you are using a stretchy reefing line, this will stretch out after you sheet in, and the bottom of the sail will bag out to leeward. Even though the area is reduced, the boat will have too much helm if the main is not flat low.

2.) Ease the traveler down to leeward so that the boom is out to the leeward side of the transom.

3.) Don’t sheet the main in too hard. It is better to let the top of the sail twist out to leeward, even “floating” the top third in the puffs. When in doubt, sight from under the boom up to the top batten. The sail should be flat, and the back half of the batten should be about 10-15 degrees to LEEWARD of the boom.4.) Keep the heel at 20 degrees or less, as the Freedom 30 will develop more weather helm the further it heels. This is due to the relatively narrow bow and wide transom.

Keep the suggestion coming, folks. I think I’ll do an F30 sail trim guide when this is all done.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:06 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim
Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with one reef. Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind increase leave some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher yet, ease the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it works. From all I have read in this forum on these boats, one reef should be ok in 15-20 knots, it is for me. Some days I don’t even reef till over twenty. The 28 and 30 are very similar. Hope I can learn from some of the other posts you get on this topic. It is a good one!

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:55 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim
I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt winds, but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main, but it took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the slightest wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is generally much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any guidance on this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom? Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio
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Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)

Thanks Al, a sail trim guide would be great!!!

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman, Alvin J.Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:17 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

Doug:

Thanks for sharing your tactics. Steve Haarstick, from whom I bought my new sails, contacted me offline with some suggestions, which I’m sure he wouldn’t mind my sharing:

Al,

I read your e-mail today, and while I’m not sure how the main was trimmed, here are a few tips to remove excessive weather helm in heavy air.

1.) When reefing the main, make sure that the reef line is winched in very tight, so that the span between the reef tack and reefed clew is FLAT. If you are using a stretchy reefing line, this will stretch out after you sheet in, and the bottom of the sail will bag out to leeward. Even though the area is reduced, the boat will have too much helm if the main is not flat low.

2.) Ease the traveler down to leeward so that the boom is out to the leeward side of the transom.

3.) Don’t sheet the main in too hard. It is better to let the top of the sail twist out to leeward, even “floating” the top third in the puffs. When in doubt, sight from under the boom up to the top batten. The sail should be flat, and the back half of the batten should be about 10-15 degrees to LEEWARD of the boom.4.) Keep the heel at 20 degrees or less, as the Freedom 30 will develop more weather helm the further it heels. This is due to the relatively narrow bow and wide transom.

Keep the suggestion coming, folks. I think I’ll do an F30 sail trim guide when this is all done.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:06 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim
Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with one reef. Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind increase leave some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher yet, ease the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it works. From all I have read in this forum on these boats, one reef should be ok in 15-20 knots, it is for me. Some days I don’t even reef till over twenty. The 28 and 30 are very similar. Hope I can learn from some of the other posts you get on this topic. It is a good one!

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:55 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim
I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt winds, but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main, but it took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the slightest wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is generally much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any guidance on this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom? Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio=00

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

My boat and many others with in boom reefing, dead end the reefing
line by knotting it around the boom below the reef clew. To get a
really flat reef, move the dead end about 6" aft of the reef clew.
This way you get an out haul effect. Also, as mentioned previously,
don’t try to sail the boat too tight. close hauled, never bring the
boom to centerline. 1’ in from the end of the traveler is close
enough. Freedoms like to sail looser than most. Another thing. When
the boom is over the range of the traveler, there is little point in
using the vang. Close hauled, you are stressing the boom at a point
close to the mast to no effect. The main sheet is the vang in this
case.


freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Payne, Doug” <doug.payne@t…>
wrote:

Thanks Al, a sail trim guide would be great!!!

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman,
Alvin J.
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:17 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

Doug:

Thanks for sharing your tactics. Steve Haarstick, from whom I
bought my
new sails, contacted me offline with some suggestions, which I’m
sure he
wouldn’t mind my sharing:

Al,

I read your e-mail today, and while I’m not sure how the main was
trimmed, here are a few tips to remove excessive weather helm in
heavy
air.

1.) When reefing the main, make sure that the reef line is winched
in
very tight, so that the span between the reef tack and reefed clew
is
FLAT. If you are using a stretchy reefing line, this will stretch
out
after you sheet in, and the bottom of the sail will bag out to
leeward.
Even though the area is reduced, the boat will have too much helm
if the
main is not flat low.

2.) Ease the traveler down to leeward so that the boom is out to
the
leeward side of the transom.

3.) Don’t sheet the main in too hard. It is better to let the top
of the
sail twist out to leeward, even “floating” the top third in the
puffs.
When in doubt, sight from under the boom up to the top batten. The
sail
should be flat, and the back half of the batten should be about 10-
15
degrees to LEEWARD of the boom.

4.) Keep the heel at 20 degrees or less, as the Freedom 30 will
develop
more weather helm the further it heels. This is due to the
relatively
narrow bow and wide transom.

Keep the suggestion coming, folks. I think I’ll do an F30 sail
trim
guide when this is all done.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:06 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned
responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with one
reef.
Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the
boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind increase
leave
some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher yet,
ease
the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it
works. From
all I have read in this forum on these boats, one reef should be
ok in
15-20 knots, it is for me. Some days I don’t even reef till over
twenty.
The 28 and 30 are very similar. Hope I can learn from some of the
other
posts you get on this topic. It is a good one!

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@t…
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ajlorman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:55 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt
winds,
but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main, but
it
took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the
slightest
wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is generally
much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any guidance
on
this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

I’ve rigged bright star’s first reefing lines in a way that gives, I
believe the best method for flattening and reefing down.

Instead of ‘deadending’ the reefing line, tie a loose bowline around
the boom with the loop passing between the boom and the sail forward
of the clew. (most sails, even if not loose-footed, have a space
between the foot boltrope and the outhaul clew to allow for this).

When reefing, you get a downward pull, which is essential, but the
loop allows the reefing line to slide to the proper position as the
angle gets more acute between the reefing cringle and the end of the
boom. The result is a very flat foot and the cringle right at the
boom (where you want it).

Don’t forget that, depending on the conditions when you put the reef
in in the first place (i.e., waiting 20 minutes too long), you may
need to slack both the sheet and the boom vang before pulling the
foot flat, otherwise you can really stretch the sail out of shape.
So you release tension on the sheet and vang, tighten the hell out
of your reefing line, then re-adjust the vang and the sheet.

lance
Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “macks011” <macks04@o…>
wrote:

My boat and many others with in boom reefing, dead end the reefing
line by knotting it around the boom below the reef clew. To get a
really flat reef, move the dead end about 6" aft of the reef clew.
This way you get an out haul effect. Also, as mentioned
previously,
don’t try to sail the boat too tight. close hauled, never bring
the
boom to centerline. 1’ in from the end of the traveler is close
enough. Freedoms like to sail looser than most. Another thing.
When
the boom is over the range of the traveler, there is little point
in
using the vang. Close hauled, you are stressing the boom at a
point
close to the mast to no effect. The main sheet is the vang in this
case.

freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Payne, Doug”
<doug.payne@t…>
wrote:

Thanks Al, a sail trim guide would be great!!!

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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorman,
Alvin J.
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:17 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

Doug:

Thanks for sharing your tactics. Steve Haarstick, from whom I
bought my
new sails, contacted me offline with some suggestions, which I’m
sure he
wouldn’t mind my sharing:

Al,

I read your e-mail today, and while I’m not sure how the main was
trimmed, here are a few tips to remove excessive weather helm in
heavy
air.

1.) When reefing the main, make sure that the reef line is
winched
in
very tight, so that the span between the reef tack and reefed
clew
is
FLAT. If you are using a stretchy reefing line, this will
stretch
out
after you sheet in, and the bottom of the sail will bag out to
leeward.
Even though the area is reduced, the boat will have too much
helm
if the
main is not flat low.

2.) Ease the traveler down to leeward so that the boom is out to
the
leeward side of the transom.

3.) Don’t sheet the main in too hard. It is better to let the
top
of the
sail twist out to leeward, even “floating” the top third in the
puffs.
When in doubt, sight from under the boom up to the top batten.
The
sail
should be flat, and the back half of the batten should be about
10-
15
degrees to LEEWARD of the boom.

4.) Keep the heel at 20 degrees or less, as the Freedom 30 will
develop
more weather helm the further it heels. This is due to the
relatively
narrow bow and wide transom.

Keep the suggestion coming, folks. I think I’ll do an F30 sail
trim
guide when this is all done.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne,
Doug
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:06 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned
responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with
one
reef.
Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the
boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind
increase
leave
some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher
yet,
ease
the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it
works. From
all I have read in this forum on these boats, one reef should be
ok in
15-20 knots, it is for me. Some days I don’t even reef till over
twenty.
The 28 and 30 are very similar. Hope I can learn from some of
the
other
posts you get on this topic. It is a good one!

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim

I had a lovely sail on the Chesapeake on Saturday in 15-20 kt
winds,
but I could not balance the boat. I had one reef in the main,
but
it
took constant attention to the helm to keep a course and the
slightest
wind puff caused the boat to head into the wind. She is
generally
much better behaved in light air. Can anyone give me any
guidance
on
this? What am I doing wrong? Or is this normnal for a Freedom?

Many thanks.

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Posted by Tom Vesey (tvesey@…>)
Lance, do you have single line reefing? If so, do you recommend it?TomJackrabbit F44On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:06 AM, lance_ryley wrote:I’ve rigged bright star’s first reefing lines in a way that gives, I believe the best method for flattening and reefing down. Instead of ‘deadending’ the reefing line, tie a loose bowline around the boom with the loop passing between the boom and the sail forward of the clew. (most sails, even if not loose-footed, have a space between the foot boltrope and the outhaul clew to allow for this).

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

I don’t have single-line reefing - I still have to go to the mast to
rig the reefing tack on the reef horn. This usually isn’t a problem,
even on the main mast, and throwing in a reef ends up taking less
than 5 minutes.

I considered single-line reefing, at least for the Main, but after
consulting with Haarstick decided against it, at least for now. To
have an effective single line system, you have to have some sort of
an eye on the mast below the normal tack point to give the reefing
line a downward and forward angle to keep the reefing tack close to
the mast when reefing. I like the positive lock of the reefing tack
being on the horn. I was also advised that there can be a
significant amount of resistance in the reefing line when bringing
it down to the boom. This is especially true on the cat-ketches
where any line run to the mast is a long run. I already keep my
reefing lines coiled at the end of the boom to avoid having to pull
them free every time I raise the sail.

One setup I would like to investigate further is double-line
reefing, at least for the first reef. This overcomes the resistance
problems, but still puts signifcant load on whatever attachment
system you use at the mast, so I don’t know.

On the cat-ketches, the paradigm is “reef early and reef often.”
What I’ve done is color coded my main halyard to the two reef
points - 2 spots on the halyard for each reef. They are color coded
to the color of the reefing line so you don’t have to think about it
when you are reefing. So reefing on Bright Star goes something like
this (the first reef line is blue):

  1. loosen tension on the sheet and vang
  2. drop the halyard to the second blue mark - this gives enough
    slack to get the reefing tack on the horn.
  3. Go forward and hook the reefing tack on the horn and come back.
  4. Raise the halyard to the first blue mark - this raises the sail
    to the proper luff tension.
  5. pull in the reefing line until the clew is on the boom and the
    foot is flat. Use the winch for the final tension.
  6. re-sheet, re-vang.

This system does actually allow you to fairly easily reef even
single-handed, although if you’re out alone in those kinds of
conditions, I recommend jacklines and harnesses.

Also, currently Bright Star’s mizzen halyard is not marked the same
way, because generally I don’t single-hand her and it’s pretty easy
to tell when you’ve dropped the sail enough from the cockpit.


feel free to contact me off-list if you want more information. And
here’s a link to Harken’s description of single-line reefing. It
looks fine for one reef, but an awful lot of hardware for two or
more… http://www.harken.com/pdf/4171.pdf

Lance
Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Tom Vesey <tvesey@n…>
wrote:

Lance, do you have single line reefing? If so, do you recommend it?
Tom
Jackrabbit F44

On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:06 AM, lance_ryley wrote:

I’ve rigged bright star’s first reefing lines in a way that
gives, I
believe the best method for flattening and reefing down.

Instead of ‘deadending’ the reefing line, tie a loose bowline
around
the boom with the loop passing between the boom and the sail
forward
of the clew. (most sails, even if not loose-footed, have a space
between the foot boltrope and the outhaul clew to allow for
this).

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Keep those sail trim suggestions coming, folks. I’ll assemble them and make them available.

I’d love to be able to have separate sections on light, medium and heavy air.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:06 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 Sail TrimI’ve rigged bright star’s first reefing lines in a way that gives, I believe the best method for flattening and reefing down.Instead of ‘deadending’ the reefing line, tie a loose bowline around the boom with the loop passing between the boom and the sail forward of the clew. (most sails, even if not loose-footed, have a space between the foot boltrope and the outhaul clew to allow for this).When reefing, you get a downward pull, which is essential, but the loop allows the reefing line to slide to the proper position as the angle gets more acute between the reefing cringle and the end of the boom. The result is a very flat foot and the cringle right at the boom (where you want it).Don’t forget that, depending on the conditions when you put the reef in in the first place (i.e., waiting 20 minutes too long), you may need to slack both the sheet and the boom vang before pulling the foot flat, otherwise you can really stretch the sail out of shape. So you release tension on the sheet and vang, tighten the hell out of your reefing line, then re-adjust the vang and the sheet.lanceBright Star— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “macks011” <macks04@o…> wrote:>> My boat and many others with in boom reefing, dead end the reefing > line by knotting it around the boom below the reef clew. To get a > really flat reef, move the dead end about 6" aft of the reef clew. > This way you get an out haul effect. Also, as mentioned previously, > don’t try to sail the boat too tight. close hauled, never bring the > boom to centerline. 1’ in from the end of the traveler is close > enough. Freedoms like to sail looser than most. Another thing. When > the boom is over the range of the traveler, there is little point in > using the vang. Close hauled, you are stressing the boom at a point > close to the mast to no effect. The main sheet is the vang in this > case. > > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Payne, Doug” <doug.payne@t…> > wrote:> >> > Thanks Al, a sail trim guide would be great!!!> > > > Douglas M. Payne> > Managing Partner Arizona Colorado> > Tatum Partners> > 480-614-4915 Office> > 480-236-4561 Mobile> > 480-614-4916 Fax> > doug.payne@t…> > TATUM PARTNERS> > > > Financial and Information Technology Leadership> > > > Tatum CFO Partners, LLP - Tatum CIO Partners, LLP > www.tatumpartners.com> > <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Douglas%20Payne/Application%> 20Dat> > a/Microsoft/Signatures/www.tatumpartners.com> > > > > This electronic message is intended for the person or entity to > which it> > is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > information.> > Any review, dissemination, copying, printing, or other use of this> > electronic message by persons or entities other than the addressee > is> > prohibited. 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When reefing the main, make sure that the reef line is winched > in> > very tight, so that the span between the reef tack and reefed clew > is> > FLAT. If you are using a stretchy reefing line, this will stretch > out> > after you sheet in, and the bottom of the sail will bag out to > leeward.> > Even though the area is reduced, the boat will have too much helm > if the> > main is not flat low.> > > > 2.) Ease the traveler down to leeward so that the boom is out to > the> > leeward side of the transom.> > > > 3.) Don’t sheet the main in too hard. It is better to let the top > of the> > sail twist out to leeward, even “floating” the top third in the > puffs.> > When in doubt, sight from under the boom up to the top batten. The > sail> > should be flat, and the back half of the batten should be about 10-> 15> > degrees to LEEWARD of the boom.> > > > 4.) Keep the heel at 20 degrees or less, as the Freedom 30 will > develop> > more weather helm the further it heels. This is due to the > relatively> > narrow bow and wide transom.> > > > Keep the suggestion coming, folks. I think I’ll do an F30 sail > trim> > guide when this is all done.> > > > Al> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:06 PM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 Sail Trim> > > > > > Those with a lot more experience than me may have more learned> > responses, but I have sailed my Mull 28 in up to 35 knots with one > reef.> > Let the traveler down all the way to the lee side, crank down the> > boomvang and main sheet to flatten the sail, as the wind increase > leave> > some twist on top to spill air, as the wind speed gets higher yet, > ease> > the main further to spill more air. It is not pretty, but it > works. 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Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)

I have been puzzling over macks’s admonition to sail with the
mainsail no closer to the centerline than one inch inside the end of
the traveler. I know that my experience has been different. So,
yesterday I tried some settings with the following results. I hope
someone can set me straight.

First, the conditions: wind a steady 10-11 knots (in the calculations
I use 10.5). The main halyard, the outhaul and the vang were all
pulled tight. The problem is to sail as close to the wind as
practicable.

With the boom, as macks advised, over the outer edge of traveler
(i.e. if one dropped a plum from the boom it would be over the outer
edge of the traveler) I could sail no closer than 50 degrees apparent
to the wind. The boat speed was 3-4 knots and the apparent wind was
13 to 14. Without a calculator to give me the true angle, I sketched
this and I came up with a figure of around 60 degrees to the true
wind. I simply could not sail any closer to the wind without pulling
in the boom.

Sailing as I normally do, I could pull the boom in until it was about
half way between the centerline and the outer edge, sail 30 degree
apparent, and made the same speed. That figures out to approximately
40 degrees to the true wind. I know that 3-4 knots is not exactly
ripping up the Bay, but with those settings I managed to overtake a
similarly sized boat who was not sailing as close to the wind but who
was undoubtedly sailing at higher speeds on each tack.

Can someone give me some feed back on this?

11

Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

RE read the post. I wrote 1 Foot in from the end of the traveler.
Freedom’s own manual for the 36 call for the mainsheet to be carried
over the edge of the companion way. We are not in disagreement.





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mdurki” <vaughan@i…>
wrote:

I have been puzzling over macks’s admonition to sail with the
mainsail no closer to the centerline than one inch inside the end
of
the traveler. I know that my experience has been different. So,
yesterday I tried some settings with the following results. I hope
someone can set me straight.

First, the conditions: wind a steady 10-11 knots (in the
calculations
I use 10.5). The main halyard, the outhaul and the vang were all
pulled tight. The problem is to sail as close to the wind as
practicable.

With the boom, as macks advised, over the outer edge of traveler
(i.e. if one dropped a plum from the boom it would be over the
outer
edge of the traveler) I could sail no closer than 50 degrees
apparent
to the wind. The boat speed was 3-4 knots and the apparent wind
was
13 to 14. Without a calculator to give me the true angle, I
sketched
this and I came up with a figure of around 60 degrees to the true
wind. I simply could not sail any closer to the wind without
pulling
in the boom.

Sailing as I normally do, I could pull the boom in until it was
about
half way between the centerline and the outer edge, sail 30 degree
apparent, and made the same speed. That figures out to
approximately
40 degrees to the true wind. I know that 3-4 knots is not exactly
ripping up the Bay, but with those settings I managed to overtake
a
similarly sized boat who was not sailing as close to the wind but
who
was undoubtedly sailing at higher speeds on each tack.

Can someone give me some feed back on this?

12

Posted by tlynchlaw (pass@…>)

Query: Are you letting out the traveler to put the boom over the
edge of the companionway or are you letting out the mainsheet? I’m
assuming the traveler.

Tom
F30 Quixote

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “macks011” <macks04@o…>
wrote:

RE read the post. I wrote 1 Foot in from the end of the traveler.
Freedom’s own manual for the 36 call for the mainsheet to be
carried
over the edge of the companion way. We are not in disagreement.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mdurki” <vaughan@i…>
wrote:

I have been puzzling over macks’s admonition to sail with the
mainsail no closer to the centerline than one inch inside the
end
of
the traveler. I know that my experience has been different. So,
yesterday I tried some settings with the following results. I
hope
someone can set me straight.

First, the conditions: wind a steady 10-11 knots (in the
calculations
I use 10.5). The main halyard, the outhaul and the vang were all
pulled tight. The problem is to sail as close to the wind as
practicable.

With the boom, as macks advised, over the outer edge of traveler
(i.e. if one dropped a plum from the boom it would be over the
outer
edge of the traveler) I could sail no closer than 50 degrees
apparent
to the wind. The boat speed was 3-4 knots and the apparent wind
was
13 to 14. Without a calculator to give me the true angle, I
sketched
this and I came up with a figure of around 60 degrees to the
true
wind. I simply could not sail any closer to the wind without
pulling
in the boom.

Sailing as I normally do, I could pull the boom in until it was
about
half way between the centerline and the outer edge, sail 30
degree
apparent, and made the same speed. That figures out to
approximately
40 degrees to the true wind. I know that 3-4 knots is not
exactly
ripping up the Bay, but with those settings I managed to
overtake
a
similarly sized boat who was not sailing as close to the wind
but
who
was undoubtedly sailing at higher speeds on each tack.

Can someone give me some feed back on this?

13

Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Ok, there may be some confusion due my imprecision. The freedom
manual and my experience agree in that you should not oversheet the
main. In this instance I am refering to not over centering the boom.
Where you position the traveler car depends on how much twist you
want in the sail. Freedom recommends that the boom be no closer to
centerline than the offset companionway edge. I find that I always
do better keeping the boat upright. sacrificing a few degrees of
heading reduces weather helm, reduces leeway, and gives more speed
to overcome the added distance.

Furthermore, the boat in general, on all points of sail, seems to
benefit from looser sheeting. I’m not sure why.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “tlynchlaw” <pass@t…>
wrote:

Query: Are you letting out the traveler to put the boom over the
edge of the companionway or are you letting out the mainsheet?
I’m
assuming the traveler.

Tom
F30 Quixote

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “macks011”
<macks04@o…>
wrote:

RE read the post. I wrote 1 Foot in from the end of the
traveler.
Freedom’s own manual for the 36 call for the mainsheet to be
carried
over the edge of the companion way. We are not in disagreement.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mdurki”
<vaughan@i…>
wrote:

I have been puzzling over macks’s admonition to sail with the
mainsail no closer to the centerline than one inch inside the
end
of
the traveler. I know that my experience has been different.
So,
yesterday I tried some settings with the following results. I
hope
someone can set me straight.

First, the conditions: wind a steady 10-11 knots (in the
calculations
I use 10.5). The main halyard, the outhaul and the vang were
all
pulled tight. The problem is to sail as close to the wind as
practicable.

With the boom, as macks advised, over the outer edge of
traveler
(i.e. if one dropped a plum from the boom it would be over the
outer
edge of the traveler) I could sail no closer than 50 degrees
apparent
to the wind. The boat speed was 3-4 knots and the apparent
wind
was
13 to 14. Without a calculator to give me the true angle, I
sketched
this and I came up with a figure of around 60 degrees to the
true
wind. I simply could not sail any closer to the wind without
pulling
in the boom.

Sailing as I normally do, I could pull the boom in until it
was
about
half way between the centerline and the outer edge, sail 30
degree
apparent, and made the same speed. That figures out to
approximately
40 degrees to the true wind. I know that 3-4 knots is not
exactly
ripping up the Bay, but with those settings I managed to
overtake
a
similarly sized boat who was not sailing as close to the wind
but
who
was undoubtedly sailing at higher speeds on each tack.

Can someone give me some feed back on this?