Our late Fall trip south to Florida from Connecticut in our Freedom 30
has taught us many things about the boat…including that she is a
terrible sailor on anchor. When the wind pipes up to over 10 knots,
she vigorously sails back and forth more than plus/minus 30 degrees.
We made a small 13 sq.ft. riding sail which helps only a little. Will
try a Dashew V configuration riding sail next…but wanted to ask the
group of F30/36 owners what they have done that works. Yawing rapidly
back and forth is very tiresome…and greatly increases the anchoring
load.
Bahamian double anchoring works…but only if the wind direction
remains steady…which it never does on this coast during frontal
passages.
Regards,
Fargo
F30 #12 NARISA
Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft
waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that, also.
I haven’t found one solution that works all the time. Sometimes a
riding sail works, sometimes not. Another technique is to cock the
boat at an angle to the wind by attaching a second line to the chain
snubber and bring it back to an aft cleat. Ease the forward line and
take up on the aft. The boat will present a larger profile to the
wind and will tend to stay in one place rather than yaw back and
forth. Some times it works, sometimes not.
Our late Fall trip south to Florida from Connecticut in our
Freedom 30
has taught us many things about the boat…including that she is a
terrible sailor on anchor. When the wind pipes up to over 10
knots,
she vigorously sails back and forth more than plus/minus 30
degrees.
We made a small 13 sq.ft. riding sail which helps only a little.
Will
try a Dashew V configuration riding sail next…but wanted to ask
the
group of F30/36 owners what they have done that works. Yawing
rapidly
back and forth is very tiresome…and greatly increases the
anchoring
load.
Bahamian double anchoring works…but only if the wind direction
remains steady…which it never does on this coast during frontal
passages.
Regards,
Fargo
F30 #12 NARISA
Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft
waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that, also.
For the BANG BANG problem I’ve seen a U-shaped fender/cushion that
you tie under the stern; I think West Marine sells them.
Yawing when at anchor: I have a catketch with a mast on the bow, so
in theory very susceptible to yawing when anchoring from the bow.
I’ve never really had problems with yawing, perhaps because I anchor
on chain only and use a scope of at least 5 to 1. You could also try
Swedish anchoring: They often use just a stern anchor. If you anchor
from the stern, your mast is on the aft side of the keel, and yawing
should be minimal. Let us know which trick works best.
Good luck,
Michel
Our late Fall trip south to Florida from Connecticut in our
Freedom 30
has taught us many things about the boat…including that she is a
terrible sailor on anchor. When the wind pipes up to over 10
knots,
she vigorously sails back and forth more than plus/minus 30
degrees.
We made a small 13 sq.ft. riding sail which helps only a little.
Will
try a Dashew V configuration riding sail next…but wanted to ask
the
group of F30/36 owners what they have done that works. Yawing
rapidly
back and forth is very tiresome…and greatly increases the
anchoring
load.
Bahamian double anchoring works…but only if the wind direction
remains steady…which it never does on this coast during frontal
passages.
Regards,
Fargo
F30 #12 NARISA
Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft
waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that, also.
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Re: Yawing at anchor…have tried anchoring by the stern…which eliminates yawing…but the BANG BANG comes on with a vengence in any weather where the yawing is bothersome… Anchoring by the bow and stern…and other two anchor solutions work well…except when the wind shifts substantially…so in these swinging frontal passages that roar through Florida and the Bahamas this time of year…it just doesn’t work out well. I moved our small riding sail about 4 feet further aft by taking the two clew lines over the aft corners of our bimini frame and down the the after corner deck cleats. This has improved the weathervaning performance of our little sail. Re: Cusions under counter…will look for them. Thanks for your ideas. Will keep working on it. Fargo F30#12 NARISAMichel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote: For the BANG BANG problem I’ve seen a U-shaped fender/cushion that you tie under the stern; I think West Marine sells them. Yawing when at anchor: I have a catketch with a mast on the bow, so in theory very susceptible to yawing when anchoring from the bow. I’ve never really had problems with yawing, perhaps because I anchor on chain only and use a scope of at least 5 to 1. You could also try Swedish anchoring: They often use just a stern anchor. If you anchor from the stern, your mast is on the aft side of the keel, and yawing should be minimal. Let us know which trick works best. Good luck, Michel — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fargo_r” <fargo_r@…> wrote: > > Our late Fall trip south to Florida from Connecticut in our Freedom 30 > has taught us many things
about the boat…including that she is a > terrible sailor on anchor. When the wind pipes up to over 10 knots, > she vigorously sails back and forth more than plus/minus 30 degrees. > > We made a small 13 sq.ft. riding sail which helps only a little. Will > try a Dashew V configuration riding sail next…but wanted to ask the > group of F30/36 owners what they have done that works. Yawing rapidly > back and forth is very tiresome…and greatly increases the anchoring > load. > > Bahamian double anchoring works…but only if the wind direction > remains steady…which it never does on this coast during frontal > passages. > > Regards, > Fargo > F30 #12 NARISA > > Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft > waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that,
also. >
I have a F-36 that sails at anchor also. I have a riding sail approx.
75 sq.ft. which helps. I am still trying to get the right
configuration. At present I fly it on the aft end of boom with the
traveler off to port and the anchor rode on starbd. cleat. With this
set-up the boat will sail around 40 deg. total (20 to 25 each side)
with 10 to 15kt wind. With the wind over 25 take down the riding
sail. My sail is too big for stronger winds.
Leonard
Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft
waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that, also.
Rum usually does the trick. Oh and try sleeping in the forepeak.
You’ll at least be further away from the noise.
Sailing on anchor
On Entropy we had a substantial padeye installed on the bow rather
low. We used a snubber that ran from the padeye to the anchor rode.
Are those of you sailing on anchor a lot using a mostly rope rode?
With our chain rode and snubber we didn’t move around too much. I
think boats like the Freedom that have relatively high freeboard and a
high bow are going to sail a bit at anchor.
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Dear Leonard: Thank you for your very clear description of our riding sail setup. Clearly you have proven that size counts…but not enough. I am determined to solve this problem and make a little progress every day. I started with a much smaller sail (because a sailmaker practically gave it to me…just 13 sq. feet). The biggest improvement in performance has come from moving the sail as far aft and as low as possible. The clew of this small sail is now just over the Edson pedestal, with the foot of the sail just above the boom, and the tack line tied to the centered traveler car. The next step will require building another matching sail and flying them as a wedge with the two clews splayed out, and the tack, headboard, and luff all tied together and facing forward. Steve Dashew recommends this configuration and claims that a pair of 15 sq.ft. sails, arranged in this wedge configuration, nailed
his 60 ft.plus INTERMEZZO dead into the wind. Will keep you posted…with data and pictures. My wife gets a little dizzy with the rapid yawing and starts looking towards shore…for reasons other than to stabilize her gyros…I think. Fargo F30#12 NARISALeonard <leomar97@…> wrote: I have a F-36 that sails at anchor also. I have a riding sail approx. 75 sq.ft. which helps. I am still trying to get the right configuration. At present I fly it on the aft end of boom with the traveler off to port and the anchor rode on starbd. cleat. With this set-up the boat will sail around 40 deg. total (20 to 25 each side) with 10 to 15kt wind. With the wind over 25 take down the riding sail. My sail is too big for stronger winds. Leonard
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Haven’t tried rum…but foam earplugs and sleeping forward make a big improvement… Will solve yawing problem first…then move on to the BANG BANG. Fargo F30#12 NARISADave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: > Ps. If anyone has solved the BANG BANG problem around the aft > waterline when anchoring in a chop…glad to hear that, also. > Rum usually does the trick. Oh and try sleeping in the forepeak. You’ll at least be further away from the noise. Sailing on anchor On Entropy we had a substantial padeye installed on the bow rather low. We used a snubber that ran from the padeye to the anchor rode. Are those of you sailing on anchor a lot using a mostly rope rode? With our chain rode and snubber we didn’t move
around too much. I think boats like the Freedom that have relatively high freeboard and a high bow are going to sail a bit at anchor.
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
As mentioned before somewhere on this post, simillar to Bahamian moor, 2 anchors set near 180 degrees apart and set TIGHT, lots of scope, will stop any boat from sailing at anchor. Have seen it done, even in strong winds. Maybe not the best ? for ultimate ! holding however. Andre.Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote: Dear Leonard:Thank you for your very clear description of our riding sail setup. Clearly you have proven that size counts…but not enough. I am determined to solve this problem and make a little progress every day. I started with a much smaller sail (because a sailmaker practically gave it to me…just 13 sq. feet). The biggest improvement in performance has come from moving the sail as far aft and as low as possible. The clew of this small sail is
now just over the Edson pedestal, with the foot of the sail just above the boom, and the tack line tied to the centered traveler car. The next step will require building another matching sail and flying them as a wedge with the two clews splayed out, and the tack, headboard, and luff all tied together and facing forward. Steve Dashew recommends this configuration and claims that a pair of 15 sq.ft. sails, arranged in this wedge configuration, nailed his 60 ft.plus INTERMEZZO dead into the wind. Will keep you posted…with data and pictures. My wife gets a little dizzy with the rapid yawing and starts looking towards shore…for reasons other than to stabilize her gyros…I think.FargoF30#12 NARISALeonard <leomar97@…> wrote: I have a F-36 that sails at anchor also. I have a riding
sail approx.75 sq.ft. which helps. I am still trying to get the rightconfiguration. At present I fly it on the aft end of boom with thetraveler off to port and the anchor rode on starbd. cleat. With thisset-up the boat will sail around 40 deg. total (20 to 25 each side)with 10 to 15kt wind. With the wind over 25 take down the ridingsail. My sail is too big for stronger winds.Leonard
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