F30 Sump Pumps

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Can anyone shed a little light on the sump pump discharge overboards? On my F30
starting at the bow and heading down the port side about 5 feet aft is the first
discharge (whatever the tech term is)and that should be the holding tank vent
(1). About another 5 or so feet are two discharges and I believe they are the
shower (2) and bilge (3)pumps discharges and nothing after that until you hit
the stern and there is a fuel vent on the stern. I filled the bilge up with
water and the pump starts and it comes out of the third discharge hole. This
hole is about an inch in diameter maybe less. So my question is isnt that quite
small for a bilge pump? I would think it be 1 1/2" or so and would pump
thousands and thousands of gallons of water quickly! I could bale water with a
bucket fast then then what I see…any ideas?

Also does anyone know how long the USCG takes to reissue boat registeration and
documentation?

Bob
Nitro (sounds like a name for a motor boat), soon to be Freebird

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Can anyone shed a little light on the sump pump discharge overboards? On my F30
starting at the bow and heading down the port side about 5 feet aft is the first
discharge (whatever the tech term is)and that should be the holding tank vent
(1). About another 5 or so feet are two discharges and I believe they are the
shower (2) and bilge (3)pumps discharges and nothing after that until you hit
the stern and there is a fuel vent on the stern. I filled the bilge up with
water and the pump starts and it comes out of the third discharge hole. This
hole is about an inch in diameter maybe less. So my question is isnt that quite
small for a bilge pump? I would think it be 1 1/2" or so and would pump
thousands and thousands of gallons of water quickly! I could bale water with a
bucket fast then then what I see…any ideas?

Also does anyone know how long the USCG takes to reissue boat registeration and
documentation?

Bob
Nitro (sounds like a name for a motor boat), soon to be Freebird

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Hey Bob,
they say the best bilge pump is a scared man with a bucket. Have you
checked your bilge pump to see its rated capacity? I think the 8500
gph model on Glory has a 3/4" or 1/2" hose. you’re right, it seems
pretty small, but it does get the job done. If you are seeing a weak
discharge from the hose, perhaps the bilge pump is undersized, the
hose is clogged with debris (or the pump is), or its trying to lift
the water too high before going back to the thru-hull.

As to the second question, if this is a reissue to the same owner
(i.e. you renewed your documentation on a vessel you already owned),
it should take about a month. For a transfer of ownership, reissuing
documentation to the new owner can take 2 months or more. I’m still
waiting for Glory’s. Apparently the USCG went to a new system a few
years ago, and they’re still backed up. Go figure.

Lance
Glory

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:

Can anyone shed a little light on the sump pump discharge
overboards? On my F30 starting at the bow and heading down the port
side about 5 feet aft is the first discharge (whatever the tech term
is)and that should be the holding tank vent (1). About another 5 or
so feet are two discharges and I believe they are the shower (2) and
bilge (3)pumps discharges and nothing after that until you hit the
stern and there is a fuel vent on the stern. I filled the bilge up
with water and the pump starts and it comes out of the third
discharge hole. This hole is about an inch in diameter maybe less.
So my question is isnt that quite small for a bilge pump? I would
think it be 1 1/2" or so and would pump thousands and thousands of
gallons of water quickly! I could bale water with a bucket fast then
then what I see…any ideas?

Also does anyone know how long the USCG takes to reissue boat
registeration and documentation?

Bob
Nitro (sounds like a name for a motor boat), soon to be Freebird

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

If you have all the paperwork and your check (if you’re transferring
the document) it takes about a month.
TW


At 04:46 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote:

Can anyone shed a little light on the sump pump discharge
overboards? On my F30 starting at the bow and heading down the port
side about 5 feet aft is the first discharge (whatever the tech term
is)and that should be the holding tank vent (1). About another 5 or
so feet are two discharges and I believe they are the shower (2) and
bilge (3)pumps discharges and nothing after that until you hit the
stern and there is a fuel vent on the stern. I filled the bilge up
with water and the pump starts and it comes out of the third
discharge hole. This hole is about an inch in diameter maybe less.
So my question is isnt that quite small for a bilge pump? I would
think it be 1 1/2" or so and would pump thousands and thousands of
gallons of water quickly! I could bale water with a bucket fast then
then what I see…any ideas?

Also does anyone know how long the USCG takes to reissue boat
registeration and documentation?

Bob
Nitro (sounds like a name for a motor boat), soon to be Freebird

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Lance and Al thanks for you input……
My documents are a transfer of ownership
so I suspect that two months or more will be the case. As for the bilge
pump they are most likely the originals, little red white and blue things and I
am not sure what the rating is. But once I get back to home base, Delaware River (currently in Oriental, NC), I am going to
put a pump in that is stronger then me. Actually I have a lot of work to
do once home, most of the electrical connections are tied directly to the
battery in fact the wing nut is on only by a thread. My last issue, the
cut down camber spar, turn out to be 1 inch short once I took it a part and
stretched everything out. So I will live with that until I save up some
more boat buck to get a new alum tube. And who said boating is not fun!

Bob





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F30 Sump Pumps




Hey Bob,
they say the best bilge pump is a scared man with a bucket. Have you
checked your bilge pump to see its rated capacity? I think the 8500
gph model on Glory has a 3/4" or 1/2" hose. you’re right, it seems
pretty small, but it does get the job done. If you are seeing a weak
discharge from the hose, perhaps the bilge pump is undersized, the
hose is clogged with debris (or the pump is), or its trying to lift
the water too high before going back to the thru-hull.

As to the second question, if this is a reissue to the same owner
(i.e. you renewed your documentation on a vessel you already owned),
it should take about a month. For a transfer of ownership, reissuing
documentation to the new owner can take 2 months or more. I’m still
waiting for Glory’s. Apparently the USCG went to a new system a few
years ago, and they’re still backed up. Go figure.

Lance
Glory

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:

Can anyone shed a little light on the sump pump discharge
overboards? On my F30 starting at the bow and heading down the port
side about 5 feet aft is the first discharge (whatever the tech term
is)and that should be the holding tank vent (1). About another 5 or
so feet are two discharges and I believe they are the shower (2) and
bilge (3)pumps discharges and nothing after that until you hit the
stern and there is a fuel vent on the stern. I filled the bilge up
with water and the pump starts and it comes out of the third
discharge hole. This hole is about an inch in diameter maybe less.
So my question is isnt that quite small for a bilge pump? I would
think it be 1 1/2" or so and would pump thousands and thousands of
gallons of water quickly! I could bale water with a bucket fast then
then what I see…any ideas?

Also does anyone know how long the USCG takes to reissue boat
registeration and documentation?

Bob
Nitro (sounds like a name for a motor boat), soon to be Freebird


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Posted by Weaver Roger (rogerweav@…>)

Bob,Lance,& Al,

Re Bilge pump, F30,

I do not have an auto bilge pump installed, would like to add this important
safety feature during lay up this winter.

I have always used the manual pump located port side cockpit area. Works fine
except it would be exhausting in an ER.

Question: I do not have three discharge fittings as Bob described on his F30
near the head (port side)only two. Head vent and sink discharge.

If I install a bilge pump can I splice into the head sink discharge line with
back check values on each line or shd I plan to drill out and install a third
discharge line at that location spec for bilge pump?

Regards,
Roger





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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Roger:

I
doubt that one of the thru hulls near your deck hull joint is the sink
discharge since it is above the sink level and so would drain only when you
heeled a lot to port. My sink drains via an underwater thru hull. I’d
carefully investigate the existing thru hulls before drilling another (though it
isn’t that big a deal).

Al



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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F30 Sump Pumps

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Bob,Lance,& Al,

Re Bilge pump, F30,

I do not have an auto bilge pump installed, would like to add this important
safety feature during lay up this winter.

I have always used the manual pump located port side cockpit area. Works fine
except it would be exhausting in an ER.

Question: I do not have three discharge fittings as Bob described on his F30
near the head (port side)only two. Head vent and sink discharge.

If I install a bilge pump can I splice into the head sink discharge line with
back check values on each line or shd I plan to drill out and install a third
discharge line at that location spec for bilge pump?

Regards,
Roger

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Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

Don’t plumb the bilge pump into the sink drain or the head discharge
line.

If the thru hull gets closed off, you won’t be doing anything but
recirculating the water inside the boat (after the sink overflows
into the cabinetry)

Likewise, if the head discharge thru hull gets closed or clogged,
you’ll backfill the head. Also, you’ll likely plug up the bilge pump
discharge with “stuff” from the head discharge line.

Better it should have its own dedicated discharge line. It doesn’t
HAVE to be above the water line, but it will be less likely to clog
up with barnacles and such and you can monitor the outflow. If it’s
below the water line, it’ll need a seacock (which might get
inadvertently closed off).

Mine’s tee-d into the raw water discharge line from the engine, up
pretty high on the downward slope to the discharge end. (Factory
design).

Put in a loop as discussed elsewhere.

Something to remember when “bailing with a bucket”…

If the sink discharge line is open (at the seacock), you can dump it
in the sink instead of overboard…likewise into the head (but you
have to flush that). If your sink normally “drains slowly”, you
should clear the drain lines anyway.

Otherwise, if the cockpit drains are flowing, you can dump it over
the bridge deck into the cockpit.

Sometimes these things aren’t intuitive in times of crisis.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Weaver Roger
<rogerweav@…> wrote:

Bob,Lance,& Al,

Re Bilge pump, F30,

I do not have an auto bilge pump installed, would like to add this
important
safety feature during lay up this winter.

I have always used the manual pump located port side cockpit area.
Works fine
except it would be exhausting in an ER.

Question: I do not have three discharge fittings as Bob described
on his F30
near the head (port side)only two. Head vent and sink discharge.

If I install a bilge pump can I splice into the head sink discharge
line with
back check values on each line or shd I plan to drill out and
install a third
discharge line at that location spec for bilge pump?

Regards,
Roger

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

I believe the two discharges assessible via the locker in the head is 1) bilge
pump and 2)the shower bilge pump which I believe was an optional feature. My
holding tank vent is way forward port side. The two sinks drain via the thru
hull under the port seat in main cabin.

Bob

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From: Al Lorman <ajl@…>
Date: 2007/09/05 Wed AM 10:02:02 CDT
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F30 Sump Pumps



Roger:
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Idoubt that one of the thru hulls near your deck hull joint is the sinkdischarge
since it is above the sink level and so would drain only when youheeled a lot to
port. My sink drains via an underwater thru hull. I’dcarefully
investigate the existing thru hulls before drilling another (though itisn’t
that big a deal).
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Al
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From:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Weaver Roger
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:50 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F30 Sump Pumps
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Bob,Lance,& Al,

Re Bilge pump, F30,

I do not have an auto bilge pump installed, would like to add this important
safety feature during lay up this winter.

I have always used the manual pump located port side cockpit area. Works fine
except it would be exhausting in an ER.

Question: I do not have three discharge fittings as Bob described on his F30
near the head (port side)only two. Head vent and sink discharge.

If I install a bilge pump can I splice into the head sink discharge line with
back check values on each line or shd I plan to drill out and install a third
discharge line at that location spec for bilge pump?

Regards,
Roger

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Posted by Rick Higgens (higgens@…>)

Roger, I just reworked my bilge pump setup. There was a 500GPH pump
down there and it was OLD! So I went to the largest pump I could find
that would use the existing tubing and it was an 850GPH. I installed
the pump and separate switch on a aluminum bar with an “L” bent on
the bottom and attached the top to the timber cross brace so I can
unscrew the bar at the top and pull it all out for service. Then I
also dropped my shower pan about 5-6" by unscrewing it from the
timber, screwing a 2X6 in it’s place and screwing the pan to the
bottom of the 2X6. That allows the shower to drain faster because the
slope is increased, and it allows the shower pan to be a backup pump
to the primary bilge pump if the primary either quits or can’t keep up
(and obviously if the shower sump quits the bilge pump backs it up as
well). I do plan to add some kind of light or sound alarm when the
water level is somewhere just above the primary bilge pump level.

Rick F30 #12
Nauti-Belle

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Weaver Roger
<rogerweav@…> wrote:

Bob,Lance,& Al,

Re Bilge pump, F30,

I do not have an auto bilge pump installed, would like to add this
important
safety feature during lay up this winter.

I have always used the manual pump located port side cockpit area.
Works fine
except it would be exhausting in an ER.

Question: I do not have three discharge fittings as Bob described
on his F30
near the head (port side)only two. Head vent and sink discharge.

If I install a bilge pump can I splice into the head sink discharge
line with
back check values on each line or shd I plan to drill out and
install a third
discharge line at that location spec for bilge pump?

Regards,
Roger

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Posted by Weaver Roger (rogerweav@…>)

Bob, Al, Lance,

I have two discharge lines near the head on our F30. One is located hi on the
freeboard and the other at the water line in the double boot strip. The lower
line is from the heads sink. This is a gravity feed and we have never had any
problems backing up into the sink.

I realize if I joined the bilege discharge into this line I would need a vent
loop hi up maybe equal to the height of the sink. Otherwise given the thru
hull is at the water line and would back into the bilege as it is lower than
the water line.

In looking at several pumps they all are rated for height the water will be
pumped and this may be important if I choose to drill a new thru hull.

Another option might be the setup which pumps the water out the engine exhaust
as someone mentioned. Seems a fairly short run to connect. Some concern re
back flow.

Thanks for all for your input,

Roger




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