F30 - Two Questions

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.Bob
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Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)

Bob,

Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.

Regards,

Van

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  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?
  2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.
    Bob
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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Did you have to coat the hole with
anything?

Bob





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Bob,

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Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same
issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as
possible. That allowed most water to drain. The remainder would
evaporate. This is one design flaw of freedoms. At least they were consistent
across all products.

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Regards,

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Van



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2008 1:02 PM


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F30 - Two Questions

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  1. the engine
    throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off
    the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out
    of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission knob screws out
    easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any
    ideas?

On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the
cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the
1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a
small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what
to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.

Bob




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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

About number 2, I saw an older Irwin that had a depressed area at the
lowest part of the deck to permit water to escape UNDER the aluminum
toe rail. Too bad T-P didn’t do this too.
Herm

At 04:02 PM 5/13/2008, you wrote:

  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get
    the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit
    out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and
    the disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is
    where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?

  2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of
    the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would
    hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle
    out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard
    but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.

Bob

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Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)

No, Just left it raw. No major corrosion developed.

van

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From: Bob Weeks
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions




Did you have to coat the hole with anything?

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BorelmfgSent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions






Bob,



Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.



Regards,



Van


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From: Bob

To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM

Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions


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  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?

  2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.

Bob

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Ok I reread what you wrote and I
misunderstood. I thought you drilled a hole under the toe rail. The problem
is the toe rail is close to 3/8 thick so it dams quite a bit of water. And yes
your drilled hole would drain the water to the level of the thickness of the
toe rail and I guess you could take dremel tool and grind a small channel to
the hole even grind the hole further down. Â Â I guess during the warm period it
not going to sit there very long anyway.

Bob





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No, Just left it raw. No major corrosion developed.

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van



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Sent: Tuesday, May 13,
2008 6:05 PM


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[FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

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Did you have to coat the hole with anything?
Bob





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On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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F30 - Two Questions







Bob,


Have
no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4"
holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most
water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of
freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.


Regards,


Van


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Original Message -----


From: Bob


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM


Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions


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  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How
    do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit
    out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the
    disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy
    stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?
  2. On the
    f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It
    does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high
    teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to
    the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the
    puddling on either side of the cockpit.
    Bob









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Posted by Lola Jackson (lolaltd@…>)
On the 2nd questions, I have water all along port side…How many depressions should I make? I have a worker helping redesign a companionway door, and I can have him do that. Love this group…you really have given me some good info…thanks again.Lola F30…getting close to deciding on my renaming.Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote: Ok I reread what you
wrote and I misunderstood. I thought you drilled a hole under the toe rail. The problem is the toe rail is close to 3/8 thick so it dams quite a bit of water. And yes your drilled hole would drain the water to the level of the thickness of the toe rail and I guess you could take dremel tool and grind a small channel to the hole even grind the hole further down.   I guess during the warm period it not going to sit there very long anyway. Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:25 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions   No, Just left it raw. No major corrosion developed. van ----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Weeks To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions Did you have to coat the hole with
anything? Bob From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55 PM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions  Bob, Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products. Regards, Van ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions 1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission
knob screws out easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas? 2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit. Bob

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Posted by Borelmfg (borelmfg@…>)

Bob,

Yes I did use the drill to make a small channel, but my toe rail was not 3/8 thick. I would guess more like 1/8" on the flat part that bolts the the deck.

Regards

Van

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Weeks
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions




Ok I reread what you wrote and I misunderstood. I thought you drilled a hole under the toe rail. The problem is the toe rail is close to 3/8 thick so it dams quite a bit of water. And yes your drilled hole would drain the water to the level of the thickness of the toe rail and I guess you could take dremel tool and grind a small channel to the hole even grind the hole further down. I guess during the warm period it not going to sit there very long anyway.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BorelmfgSent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:25 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions






No, Just left it raw. No major corrosion developed.



van


----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Weeks

To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:05 PM

Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions




Did you have to coat the hole with anything?
Bob




From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BorelmfgSent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions





Bob,

Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.

Regards,

Van


----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM

Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?
  2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.
    Bob

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Well I am not a youngster so my memory is
not what it use to be but I thought it was thicker then 1/8” it’s a pretty sturdy
rail.

 Bob





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Bob,

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Yes I did use the drill to make a small channel, but my toe
rail was not 3/8 thick. I would guess more like 1/8" on the flat part that
bolts the the deck.

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Regards

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Van



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From: Bob Weeks



To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, May 13,
2008 6:42 PM


Subject: RE:
[FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

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Ok I reread what you wrote and I misunderstood. I thought you
drilled a hole under the toe rail. The problem is the toe rail is close
to 3/8 thick so it dams quite a bit of water. And yes your drilled hole would
drain the water to the level of the thickness of the toe rail and I guess you
could take dremel tool and grind a small channel to the hole even grind the
hole further down. I guess during the warm period it not going to
sit there very long anyway.
Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:25
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
F30 - Two Questions







No, Just
left it raw. No major corrosion developed.


van


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Original Message -----


From: Bob Weeks



To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:05 PM


Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions




Did you have to coat the hole with anything?
Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
F30 - Two Questions







Bob,


Have
no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has the same issue. I drilled 1/4"
holes in the vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible. That allowed most
water to drain. The remainder would evaporate. This is one design flaw of
freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.


Regards,


Van


\

Original Message -----


From: Bob


To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com



Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM


Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions


\

  1. the engine throttle and transmission shifter. How
    do you get the chrome cover off the shifter so I can take the whole unit
    out? I can pull the handle out of the chrome piece rather easy and the
    disengage transmission knob screws out easily also but that is where easy
    stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?
  2. On the
    f-30 water on the deck accumulates by the forward area of the cockpit. It
    does not drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the 1/4" high
    teak piece across the back. I an only to chisle out a small canal next to
    the cleat to give it a opening overboard but not sure what to do about the
    puddling on either side of the cockpit.
    Bob















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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Lola,
I helped, but not eliminated, this
condition by using a smallish rat-tail file to
cut a low spot on the bottom of the oblong holes
in the aluminum toe rail. I did this near the
cockpit by observing where the water accumulation
was deepest; i.e. the lowest spot on the sheer curve. Herm

At 09:57 PM 5/13/2008, you wrote:

On the 2nd questions, I have water all along
port side…How many depressions should I
make? I have a worker helping redesign a
companionway door, and I can have him do
that. Love this group…you really have given
me some good info…thanks again.
Lola F30…getting close to deciding on my renaming.

Bob Weeks <rweeks6508@…> wrote:
Ok I reread what you wrote and I
misunderstood. I thought you drilled a hole
under the toe rail. The problem is the toe
rail is close to 3/8 thick so it dams quite a
bit of water. And yes your drilled hole would
drain the water to the level of the thickness of
the toe rail and I guess you could take dremel
tool and grind a small channel to the hole even
grind the hole further down. Â Â I guess during
the warm period it not going to sit there very long anyway.

Bob

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

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No, Just left it raw. No major corrosion developed.

van
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:rweeks6508@...Bob Weeks
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<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

Did you have to coat the hole with anything?
Bob

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Borelmfg
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:55 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

Bob,
Have no suggestion for #1. On #2, the F36 has
the same issue. I drilled 1/4" holes in the
vert. part of the toe rail as low as possible.
That allowed most water to drain. The remainder
would evaporate. This is one design flaw of
freedoms. At least they were consistent across all products.
Regards,
Van
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:rweeks6508@...Bob
To:
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F30 - Two Questions

  1. the engine throttle and transmission
    shifter. How do you get the chrome cover off
    the shifter so I can take the whole unit out? I
    can pull the handle out of the chrome piece
    rather easy and the disengage transmission knob
    screws out easily also but that is where easy
    stops! Now to get the cover off any ideas?
  2. On the f-30 water on the deck accumulates by
    the forward area of the cockpit. It does not
    drain aft. And if it did then it would hit the
    1/4" high teak piece across the back. I an only
    to chisle out a small canal next to the cleat to
    give it a opening overboard but not sure what to
    do about the puddling on either side of the cockpit.
    Bob