Posted by nuagesail (nuagesailing@…>)
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)
Mine will drain only if the boat is heeled. It is NOT a succesful bit of design
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From: nuagesail
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F33 Deck Drainage
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles which collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by Skip Turpin (skipperf33@…>)
I find very few things on my F33CK to complain about as far as
design, but these amidships scuppers are an exception! It looks like
the little metal grates were an after thought.
I have removed the grates and both decks now drain perfectly. I have
been toying with the idea of relieving the deck under the grates in
order to mount them flush with the deck, as they should have been in
the first place, but as yet have endlessly procrastinated about that
project!
The only reason to remount the grates would be to save something
small and valuable from being sucked overboard if dropped on the deck
at an inopportune moment. But, as we all know, things have a way of
finding their way into the water on a regular basis never to be seen
again anyway, so I will likely linger a bit longer. I am sure that
once something of importance does make its way out the scupper, I
will become more motivated! Besides, why close the barn door before
the horse gets out, he probably need a good stroll anyway!
I suspect that there WAS a reason Freedom did not flush mount those
grates in the first place. If this were indeed an after thought, it
may be that they were concerned about the deck thickness at that
location. If they had planned to have the grates in the first pace,
they would have surly made the deck thicker so the grate could be
flush mounted comfortably. Why else would some bonehead attach
something that guaranteed standing water on the deck???
If I do ultimately decide to finish this job, I will start with my
eyes open and be prepared to rebuild the deck to a thickness that
leaves me feeling warm fuzzies
A word of CAUTION here!!! The area at the amidships scuppers has
been known to crack (maybe due to freezing) and allow water to seep
into the hull coring. This can be very bad and is hard to detect
till the damage is done, so be on the lookout for this one! Good
luck!
Skip
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
The European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-hull in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all tmes.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@…> wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
The European one also has a “through hull” fitting on the deck which is not
flush, so that a
puddle collects around it: even more annoyingly, the scuppers in the raised
cocpit seats
either side of the aft cabin are the same, and the puddles there are ideally
placed to sit in
when you think you are out of the rain! One day I’ll think of way to replace
them.
Gerald Freshwater
F35 CK “castaway”
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote:
The European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-hull in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all tmes.michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@> wrote:Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
My US F-33 has a teak toerail with cut
outs that allow drainage. I believe one of the previous owners cut some
additional ones to speed drainage. Don’t see any problem.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F33 Deck Drainage
The European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has
a thru-hull in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all tmes.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@…> wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
\
Posted by Skip Turpin (skipperf33@…>)
Alan,
My 1982 F33CK #63 I belive was buit in the USA and has the aluminum
toerail. Maybe that was an option???
Skip
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:
My US F-33 has a teak toerail with cut outs that allow drainage. I
believe
one of the previous owners cut some additional ones to speed
drainage. Don’t
see any problem.Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 Deck DrainageThe European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-hull
in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a
thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the
two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only
they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so
you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken
inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all
tmes.michel
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40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@> wrote:Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
You’re right Gerald, I forgot about those in the cockpit… Fully
flush thru-hulls do exist; on my F44 the deck also drains through
the sides of the hull, and these thru-hulls are almost invisible, so
flush they are.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@…> wrote:
The European one also has a “through hull” fitting on the deck
which is not flush, so that a
puddle collects around it: even more annoyingly, the scuppers in
the raised cocpit seats
either side of the aft cabin are the same, and the puddles there
are ideally placed to sit in
when you think you are out of the rain! One day I’ll think of way
to replace them.Gerald Freshwater
F35 CK “castaway”
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:The European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-
hull in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a
thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting
the two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the
hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only
they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe,
so you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain
sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken
inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at
all tmes.michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@> wrote:Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck
puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
In Europe, the older F33’s (pre 1982) had a teak toerail, the later
ones an aluminum. Probably the same practice in the USA.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Skip Turpin”
<skipperf33@…> wrote:
Alan,
My 1982 F33CK #63 I belive was buit in the USA and has the
aluminum
toerail. Maybe that was an option???
Skip— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@> wrote:My US F-33 has a teak toerail with cut outs that allow drainage.
I
believe
one of the previous owners cut some additional ones to speed
drainage. Don’t
see any problem.Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982
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michel.capel
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 Deck DrainageThe European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-
hull
in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a
thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting
the
two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the
hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only
they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe,
so
you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain
sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken
inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at
all
tmes.michel
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<nuagesailing@> wrote:Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck
puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)
My recollection is that the teak was earlier,and also available with the teak deck. Considering the caremaj_01@…ended elswhere on the design,this lash-up may have been an afterthought.
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From: Skip Turpin
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 Deck Drainage
Alan,My 1982 F33CK #63 I belive was buit in the USA and has the aluminum toerail. Maybe that was an option???Skip— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@…> wrote:>> My US F-33 has a teak toerail with cut outs that allow drainage. I believe> one of the previous owners cut some additional ones to speed drainage. Don’t> see any problem.> > Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982> > > > **********************************************************************> > The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is intended> only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above> and may be subject to attorney client privilege if so marked. If the reader> of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for> delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you> have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination,> distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by> e-mail, and delete the original message. > > **********************************************************************> > _____ > > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michel.capel> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 Deck Drainage> > > > The European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-hull in > the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a thru-> hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the two > thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull > under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only they > have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so you > don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-> optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken inboard > and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all tmes.> > michel > > — In freedomyachts2003@ mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail” > <nuagesailing@> wrote:> >> > Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles > which > > collect midships inside the toerail??> >>
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I think the aluminum toerail was standard
and the teak was an option. But I’m not certain.
Alan
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PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F33 Deck Drainage
Alan,
My 1982 F33CK #63 I belive was buit in the USA and has the aluminum
toerail. Maybe that was an option???
Skip
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:
My US
F-33 has a teak toerail with cut outs that allow drainage. I
believe
one of the previous owners cut some additional ones to speed
drainage. Don’t
see any problem.Alan F-33 Hull
#51 1982
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 Deck DrainageThe European version of the F33, the F35 catketch, has a thru-hull
in
the deck at the location where the puddle forms. There is also a
thru-
hull one foot down in the hull and of course a hose connecting the
two
thru-hulls. This results is dirty drips along the side of the hull
under the water outlet. On the F44, the system is similar, only
they
have put the thru-hulls in the hull exactly on the boot stripe, so
you
don’t have stains on the hull. Anyway, these solutions remain sub-
optimal; water that’s outside of the ship should not be taken
inboard
and then outside again. I’d like to keep the drink outside at all
tmes.michel
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yahoogroups.com, “nuagesail”
<nuagesailing@> wrote:Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
\
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-tail file to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but by no
means eliminated it.
Herm
At 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles which
collect midships inside the toerail??
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Posted by katorpus (katorpus@…>)
This problem is shared on my aft-cockpit Freedom 40 as well. There
is a nice little “cutout” below deck level, covered with a metal
grate which is held off of the deck (slightly) by a couple of flat
washers. The cutout drains overboard…on the starboard side, it
drains right down the side of the hull above the opening portlight
adjacent to the nav station…brilliant (NOT!!). Dirt & gunk
collects there instead of making its way to the water.
These nifty little drains don’t happen to “sit” at the low spot on
deck either…unless I add a heck of a lot of weight in the stern
(and I DON’T have but 10’ of anchor chain at the bow), then they
never will. It’s worse if the water tanks aren’t full (I don’t NEED
150 gallons of fresh water when sailing the bay, thank you).
The “puddles” are neatly positioned such that they span the lifeline
gates on either side of the boat.
But that’s not all…inside the teak capped “breakwater”…the aft
edges of the cabin top where it terminates at the aft bulkhead are
neatly designed to drain into the cockpit, down the aft bulkhead and
into an angled slot which dumps into the “trough” running the length
of each side of the cockpit, and thence overboard through the
propane tank well. A nice enough idea in theory, but the
construction is such that the low spot is not the aft edge of
the “channel” at the outer edges of the cabin top…almost 3/4" of
water must accumulate before it runs out over the back edge of the
cabin top.
None of this is a problem when SAILING (that IS what we’re supposed
to do with these boats, right?)…but it makes for a messy boat at
dockside (there’s minimal motion in my marina slip).
Solution…I’ve pondered this one for a while, but haven’t
implemented it.
It will require some access from within…possibly in an area which
isn’t necessarily accessible without tearing something out.
-
Mark the low spot adjacent to the toe rail.
-
Drill through the deck at this point to permit the (snug)
insertion of a piece of 3/8" soft copper tubing. -
At a point on the hull side low enough to permit a smooth radius
bend in the copper, drill another hole, angled slightly “upward”
(drilling from outside the boat).
4)IF your holes go through cored portions of deck or hull, then
remove some of the coring adjacent to the hole, fill the hole with
epoxy, and rebore the hole after it cures.
-
Counterbore the “deck hole” to accomodate a “flare” in the tubing
-
Using a tubing bender and a flaring tool (cheap standard plumbing
tools available almost anywhere) flare the “deck end” of the tubing
and run the free through the hole and out the hullside hole, bedding
both ends in something very durable. -
Cut the free end of the tubing flush with the hullside.
The same approach could be made with the cabin top and aft bulkhead.
Now you won’t have standing water, but you WILL have a black streak
where the water runs down the hull side.
I have NO idea what to expect in the way of the “life” of the soft
copper tubing in a saltwater environment, but I suspect that it’s
not “permanent”, so DON’T bed it in with 5200.
Just my (unimplemented) idea…let me know if anybody tries this
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a
similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-tail file
to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but by no
means eliminated it.
HermAt 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
On the F44, some of your issues are solved in the following way:
There is a gutter in the deck edge that collects water and drains
through the inside of the hull (not with copper pipe, but with
through hulls and hose) to the boot stipe. No black streaks on the
topsides.
also there is a hole (with a piece of pipe gunged in) through the
breakwater exactly at the spot where the puddle lives. It therefore
does not have to drain through the cockpit.
One matter of opinion: I would not use copper piping but through
hulls and hose. Piping is inflexible and might start to leak.
Perhaps you could use grey PVC home water drainage piping as an
alternative to tubing, if you make sure the caulk is flexible enough.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “katorpus” <katorpus@…>
wrote:
This problem is shared on my aft-cockpit Freedom 40 as well. There
is a nice little “cutout” below deck level, covered with a metal
grate which is held off of the deck (slightly) by a couple of flat
washers. The cutout drains overboard…on the starboard side, it
drains right down the side of the hull above the opening portlight
adjacent to the nav station…brilliant (NOT!!). Dirt & gunk
collects there instead of making its way to the water.These nifty little drains don’t happen to “sit” at the low spot on
deck either…unless I add a heck of a lot of weight in the stern
(and I DON’T have but 10’ of anchor chain at the bow), then they
never will. It’s worse if the water tanks aren’t full (I don’t
NEED
150 gallons of fresh water when sailing the bay, thank you).
The “puddles” are neatly positioned such that they span the
lifeline
gates on either side of the boat.But that’s not all…inside the teak capped “breakwater”…the aft
edges of the cabin top where it terminates at the aft bulkhead are
neatly designed to drain into the cockpit, down the aft bulkhead
and
into an angled slot which dumps into the “trough” running the
length
of each side of the cockpit, and thence overboard through the
propane tank well. A nice enough idea in theory, but the
construction is such that the low spot is not the aft edge of
the “channel” at the outer edges of the cabin top…almost 3/4" of
water must accumulate before it runs out over the back edge of the
cabin top.None of this is a problem when SAILING (that IS what we’re
supposed
to do with these boats, right?)…but it makes for a messy boat at
dockside (there’s minimal motion in my marina slip).Solution…I’ve pondered this one for a while, but haven’t
implemented it.It will require some access from within…possibly in an area
which
isn’t necessarily accessible without tearing something out.
Mark the low spot adjacent to the toe rail.
Drill through the deck at this point to permit the (snug)
insertion of a piece of 3/8" soft copper tubing.At a point on the hull side low enough to permit a smooth
radius
bend in the copper, drill another hole, angled slightly “upward”
(drilling from outside the boat).4)IF your holes go through cored portions of deck or hull, then
remove some of the coring adjacent to the hole, fill the hole with
epoxy, and rebore the hole after it cures.
Counterbore the “deck hole” to accomodate a “flare” in the
tubingUsing a tubing bender and a flaring tool (cheap standard
plumbing
tools available almost anywhere) flare the “deck end” of the
tubing
and run the free through the hole and out the hullside hole,
bedding
both ends in something very durable.Cut the free end of the tubing flush with the hullside.
The same approach could be made with the cabin top and aft
bulkhead.Now you won’t have standing water, but you WILL have a black
streak
where the water runs down the hull side.I have NO idea what to expect in the way of the “life” of the soft
copper tubing in a saltwater environment, but I suspect that it’s
not “permanent”, so DON’T bed it in with 5200.Just my (unimplemented) idea…let me know if anybody tries this
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a
similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-tail
file
to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but by
no
means eliminated it.
HermAt 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck
puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
This solution might result in pretty green streaks instead of the
usual black streaks. Herm
At 12:05 PM 7/4/2006, you wrote:
This problem is shared on my aft-cockpit Freedom 40 as well. There
is a nice little “cutout” below deck level, covered with a metal
grate which is held off of the deck (slightly) by a couple of flat
washers. The cutout drains overboard…on the starboard side, it
drains right down the side of the hull above the opening portlight
adjacent to the nav station…brilliant (NOT!!). Dirt & gunk
collects there instead of making its way to the water.These nifty little drains don’t happen to “sit” at the low spot on
deck either…unless I add a heck of a lot of weight in the stern
(and I DON’T have but 10’ of anchor chain at the bow), then they
never will. It’s worse if the water tanks aren’t full (I don’t NEED
150 gallons of fresh water when sailing the bay, thank you).
The “puddles” are neatly positioned such that they span the lifeline
gates on either side of the boat.But that’s not all…inside the teak capped “breakwater”…the aft
edges of the cabin top where it terminates at the aft bulkhead are
neatly designed to drain into the cockpit, down the aft bulkhead and
into an angled slot which dumps into the “trough” running the length
of each side of the cockpit, and thence overboard through the
propane tank well. A nice enough idea in theory, but the
construction is such that the low spot is not the aft edge of
the “channel” at the outer edges of the cabin top…almost 3/4" of
water must accumulate before it runs out over the back edge of the
cabin top.None of this is a problem when SAILING (that IS what we’re supposed
to do with these boats, right?)…but it makes for a messy boat at
dockside (there’s minimal motion in my marina slip).Solution…I’ve pondered this one for a while, but haven’t
implemented it.It will require some access from within…possibly in an area which
isn’t necessarily accessible without tearing something out.
Mark the low spot adjacent to the toe rail.
Drill through the deck at this point to permit the (snug)
insertion of a piece of 3/8" soft copper tubing.At a point on the hull side low enough to permit a smooth radius
bend in the copper, drill another hole, angled slightly “upward”
(drilling from outside the boat).4)IF your holes go through cored portions of deck or hull, then
remove some of the coring adjacent to the hole, fill the hole with
epoxy, and rebore the hole after it cures.
Counterbore the “deck hole” to accomodate a “flare” in the tubing
Using a tubing bender and a flaring tool (cheap standard plumbing
tools available almost anywhere) flare the “deck end” of the tubing
and run the free through the hole and out the hullside hole, bedding
both ends in something very durable.Cut the free end of the tubing flush with the hullside.
The same approach could be made with the cabin top and aft bulkhead.
Now you won’t have standing water, but you WILL have a black streak
where the water runs down the hull side.I have NO idea what to expect in the way of the “life” of the soft
copper tubing in a saltwater environment, but I suspect that it’s
not “permanent”, so DON’T bed it in with 5200.Just my (unimplemented) idea…let me know if anybody tries this
— In
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Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a
similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-tail file
to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but by no
means eliminated it.
HermAt 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
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Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
After reading all these woes about puddles, I finally got up the courage to do
something
about mine. The deck drain fittings are plastic, dome shaped, with a hole in the
centre (i.e.
the top of the dome!), and are set into a depression in the deck moulding. I
used a small
high speed drill and coarse burr, suitable for plastic, to route a groove from
the edge of
the fitting, sloping down into the hole. Fortunately this did not cut right
through the
fitting, so I don’t now have to replace the lot, and it actually drains out
almost every last
drop of water from the side seats of the cockpit and the side decks. Magical!
The deck moulding on UK built F33/35’s is quite different to the US original,
and the
toerail (alloy in my case, teak on older oats) sits on top of a small bulwark
2-3 inches
high, so attacking the rail with a file would not help.
If only I had done this sooner: my webing jackstays might still be yellow, not
green. The
next puddle to be tackled is the one beneath the cockpit sole, which doesn’t
drain over the
lip in front of the scupper where the steering tube exits. Anyone got a good
idea for that?
Gerald Freshwater
“Castaway”
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a
similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-tail file
to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but by no
means eliminated it.
HermAt 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Gerald,
Good idea, routing a small gulley in the through hull! About the
cockpit well: I looked into that too and came to the conclusion that
only a drain pipe below the lip of the scuper hole. Point is, you
cannot access this spot from the inside to mount through hulls and I
did not want to risk a leak if I would just glue or caulk in a piece
of PVC raintube. So I left it as it was.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@…> wrote:
After reading all these woes about puddles, I finally got up the
courage to do something
about mine. The deck drain fittings are plastic, dome shaped, with
a hole in the centre (i.e.
the top of the dome!), and are set into a depression in the deck
moulding. I used a small
high speed drill and coarse burr, suitable for plastic, to route a
groove from the edge of
the fitting, sloping down into the hole. Fortunately this did not
cut right through the
fitting, so I don’t now have to replace the lot, and it actually
drains out almost every last
drop of water from the side seats of the cockpit and the side
decks. Magical!The deck moulding on UK built F33/35’s is quite different to the
US original, and the
toerail (alloy in my case, teak on older oats) sits on top of a
small bulwark 2-3 inches
high, so attacking the rail with a file would not help.If only I had done this sooner: my webing jackstays might still be
yellow, not green. The
next puddle to be tackled is the one beneath the cockpit sole,
which doesn’t drain over the
lip in front of the scupper where the steering tube exits. Anyone
got a good idea for that?Gerald Freshwater
“Castaway”Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:Hey guys, don’t feel bad. My Mull-designed Freedom 28 has a
similar
problem. It has an aluminum toe-rail, which I used a rat-
tail file
to
deepen the lowest cutout downward, flush with the base of the
toe-rail. This has reduced the size of the deck puddle, but
by no
means eliminated it.
HermAt 08:37 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with an elegant way to drain the deck
puddles
which
collect midships inside the toerail??