Posted by simon_dubberley (simon@…>)
Has anyone thought of installing a baby Profurl with about 120% jib
and adding running backstays to improve the pointing ability of the
boat? I find hoisting the camberspar jib whilst sailing single-handed
almost impossible, if not bloody dangerous!
Simon
Freedom 25 Round Carbon Mast
Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)
I have experimented with roller furlers, and different sized headsails
on two F21s and now my round mast F25, in an attempt to improve upwind
performance, and ease of handling. I first used a Doyle UPS sail, with
internal low/no stretch luff line, on a Harken 1851 small staysail
furler on the F21s. The UPS is a cut between a genoa and a spinnaker,
and is made of nylon, with an LP of about 12.4 feet (a 200% sail). The
UPS has a full leech/roach, and will sail dead downwind without a pole.
It will also improve power and pointing upwind, and is easily furled.
Full info is on the Doyle Sails website. First sail I bought for my F25
was a UPS. After buying my F25 I talked to a great Gulf Coast sailor,
who successfully raced a f25. He used a 200% staysail, with a 12.4 LP,
tacked to the eye on the deck (not the one on the spinnaker tube). This
gave him a longer luff/leech/foot & LP, and more sf. I had Schurr Sails
of Pensacola make a similar sail for me out of mylar/kevlar. It has a
wire luff, and is mounted on a Harken 1852 large staysail furler.
Upwind performance is greatly improved, and the furler works well–but
you must have the line-lead/(first furling line block) properly aligned
for ease in furling. I also considered using a full furler with a foil,
but think the staysail furler, with the wire luff, is all I need. If I
did use a full furler, I would try the Alido furler, which has its own
halyard, which puts no pressure on the mast. As a frequent solo racer,
I don’t want to fool with checkstays/backstays. Most om the races I
sail are round the buoys, 5-12 mile races, and I am very successful in
winning my share. I strongly recommend that you use the 200%, LP of
12.4’ staysail, tacked to the deck. I tried a similar sail with a 9’
LP, and it does not perform nearly as well as the 12.4 LP. Good luck.
Charlie, ChurchLady, F25 #257, round carbon fiber mast
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “simon_dubberley” <simon@…>
wrote:
Has anyone thought of installing a baby Profurl with about 120% jib
and adding running backstays to improve the pointing ability of the
boat? I find hoisting the camberspar jib whilst sailing single-handed
almost impossible, if not bloody dangerous!Simon
Freedom 25 Round Carbon Mast
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
In my opinion, the single most useful improvement to the F-25’s
upwind performance is to have a wing mast! One has only to have the
vang too tight on a wing mast boat (which prevents mast rotation) to
understand the handicap a round mast gives this boat. Yes, one can
make a barn door fly if one puts enough horsepower on it, but that’s
not the most efficient way.
Herm
At 12:31 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote:
I have experimented with roller furlers, and different sized headsails
on two F21s and now my round mast F25, in an attempt to improve upwind
performance, and ease of handling. I first used a Doyle UPS sail, with
internal low/no stretch luff line, on a Harken 1851 small staysail
furler on the F21s. The UPS is a cut between a genoa and a spinnaker,
and is made of nylon, with an LP of about 12.4 feet (a 200% sail). The
UPS has a full leech/roach, and will sail dead downwind without a pole.
It will also improve power and pointing upwind, and is easily furled.
Full info is on the Doyle Sails website. First sail I bought for my F25
was a UPS. After buying my F25 I talked to a great Gulf Coast sailor,
who successfully raced a f25. He used a 200% staysail, with a 12.4 LP,
tacked to the eye on the deck (not the one on the spinnaker tube). This
gave him a longer luff/leech/foot & LP, and more sf. I had Schurr Sails
of Pensacola make a similar sail for me out of mylar/kevlar. It has a
wire luff, and is mounted on a Harken 1852 large staysail furler.
Upwind performance is greatly improved, and the furler works well–but
you must have the line-lead/(first furling line block) properly aligned
for ease in furling. I also considered using a full furler with a foil,
but think the staysail furler, with the wire luff, is all I need. If I
did use a full furler, I would try the Alido furler, which has its own
halyard, which puts no pressure on the mast. As a frequent solo racer,
I don’t want to fool with checkstays/backstays. Most om the races I
sail are round the buoys, 5-12 mile races, and I am very successful in
winning my share. I strongly recommend that you use the 200%, LP of
12.4’ staysail, tacked to the deck. I tried a similar sail with a 9’
LP, and it does not perform nearly as well as the 12.4 LP. Good luck.
Charlie, ChurchLady, F25 #257, round carbon fiber mast— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“simon_dubberley” <simon@…>
wrote:Has anyone thought of installing a baby Profurl with about 120% jib
and adding running backstays to improve the pointing ability of the
boat? I find hoisting the camberspar jib whilst sailing single-handed
almost impossible, if not bloody dangerous!Simon
Freedom 25 Round Carbon Mast
Posted by George Deyett (george_deyett@…>)
I have using a UPS on a F25 and it is very good for close reaching but not upwind. I usualIy tack the UPS to the spinnaker pole which is extended 3 feet. I have been thinking of a staysail for true upwind work. Charlie, Can you tell me what the luff dimension is on your staysail? How does it sheet? Inside or outside the lifelines when close hauled? Where does the lead block go? George “Charlie L.” <clivaday@…> wrote: I have experimented with roller furlers, and different sized headsails on two F21s and now my round mast F25, in an attempt to improve upwind performance, and ease of handling. I first used a Doyle UPS sail, with internal low/no stretch luff line, on a Harken 1851 small staysail furler on the F21s. The UPS is a cut between a genoa and a spinnaker, and is made of nylon, with an LP of about 12.4 feet (a 200% sail). The UPS has a full leech/roach, and will sail dead downwind without a pole. It will also improve power and pointing upwind, and is easily furled. Full info is on the Doyle Sails website. First sail I bought for my F25 was a UPS. After buying my F25 I talked to a great Gulf Coast sailor, who successfully raced a f25. He used a 200% staysail, with a 12.4 LP, tacked to the eye on the deck (not the one on the spinnaker tube). This gave him a
longer luff/leech/foot & LP, and more sf. I had Schurr Sails of Pensacola make a similar sail for me out of mylar/kevlar. It has a wire luff, and is mounted on a Harken 1852 large staysail furler. Upwind performance is greatly improved, and the furler works well–but you must have the line-lead/(first furling line block) properly aligned for ease in furling. I also considered using a full furler with a foil, but think the staysail furler, with the wire luff, is all I need. If I did use a full furler, I would try the Alido furler, which has its own halyard, which puts no pressure on the mast. As a frequent solo racer, I don’t want to fool with checkstays/backstays. Most om the races I sail are round the buoys, 5-12 mile races, and I am very successful in winning my share. I strongly recommend that you use the 200%, LP of 12.4’ staysail, tacked to the deck. I tried a similar sail with a 9’ LP, and it does not
perform nearly as well as the 12.4 LP. Good luck. Charlie, ChurchLady, F25 #257, round carbon fiber mast — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “simon_dubberley” <simon@…> wrote:>> Has anyone thought of installing a baby Profurl with about 120% jib> and adding running backstays to improve the pointing ability of the> boat? I find hoisting the camberspar jib whilst sailing single-handed> almost impossible, if not bloody dangerous!> > Simon> > Freedom 25 Round Carbon Mast>
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