Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

[ajlorman]

Posted by ajlorman (ajl@…>)

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

[michel.capel]

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

We would be sorry to see you go Al, so I guess that your next
project will have to be a Freedom again. We want to keep on learning
from your experience.

michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent
over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have
the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am
one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious
few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to
work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to
cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four
drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on
starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights,
all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery
switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses,
Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except
for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock
deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new
ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose
with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to
use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower
sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat
last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and
two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the
mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done
the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In
short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly
interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are
Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half
the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And
perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis.
She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have
some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


You
are very kind, Michel. I don’t plan on going anywhere regardless of
what I buy next (and I haven’t decided yet).

Best,

Al

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of michel.capel
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:53 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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We would be sorry to see you go Al, so I guess
that your next
project will have to be a Freedom again. We want to keep on learning
from your experience.

michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“ajlorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent
over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have
the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am
one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious
few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to
work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to
cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four
drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on
starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights,
all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery
switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses,
Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except
for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock
deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new
ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose
with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to
use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower
sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat
last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and
two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the
mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done
the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In
short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly
interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are
Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half
the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And
perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis.
She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have
some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[Thomas_Wales]

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Good luck with the sale of your boat, Al. Someone will be getting a gem.
When you get the urge to start tinkering again, please feel free to
head to Maine. There’s an F32 in Pemaquid who I’m sure wouldn’t mind
the deft touch of your fingers. While it doesn’t need too much work,
I’m sure you could find something to do. You know you’ll need
another project eventually.
Best,
TW



At 05:46 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


I
have a friend in Maine who rebuilds boats for a living and I’ve often
thought of running away to work with him. Sadly, practicing law pays more
and my kids have yet to finish college. I’m certainly going to
acquire another project. (I used to have this same problem with fixing up
houses, but I stopped after 4.)

What
did you say your 32 needed done…….?

Best,

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:34 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Good luck with the sale of your boat, Al.
Someone will be getting a gem.
When you get the urge to start tinkering again, please feel free to
head to Maine. There’s an F32 in Pemaquid who I’m sure wouldn’t mind
the deft touch of your fingers. While it doesn’t need too much work,
I’m sure you could find something to do. You know you’ll need
another project eventually.
Best,
TW

At 05:46 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[Fargo_Rousseau]

Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
AlYou should be a humorist…with a technical twist. Love your stuff… We have both loved our F30 and her projects. She is such a perfectable boat…so worth the effort.Best,FargoAl Lorman <ajl@…> wrote: I have a friend in Maine who rebuilds boats for a living and I’ve often thought of running away to work with him. Sadly, practicing law pays more and my kids have yet to finish college. I’m certainly
going to acquire another project. (I used to have this same problem with fixing up houses, but I stopped after 4.) What did you say your 32 needed done…….? Best, Al From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:34 AM To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 30 for sale (sigh) Good luck with the sale of your boat, Al. Someone will be getting a gem. When you get the urge to start tinkering again, please feel free to head to Maine. There’s an F32 in Pemaquid who I’m sure wouldn’t mind the deft touch of your fingers. While it doesn’t need too much work, I’m sure you could find something to do. You know you’ll need another project eventually. Best, TW At 05:46 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote: >It is with considerable reluctance that I offer
Ab Initio, my 1987 >Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow >F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s >afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over >$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on >the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the >receipts to prove it. > >Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one >of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do >sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify >spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few >to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.) >The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work >on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my >“work on” boat in
my backyard. > >Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this >stuff is new): > >Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount, >ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and >stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle >handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access, >stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover >most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars >holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether >attachment. > >Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard, >6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all >teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans, >refinished cabin sole. > >Electronics: Raymarine ST60
wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel >pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch >with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual >AM/FM/CD/weather radio. > >Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong >Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new >Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for >spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck >organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball >bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers. > >Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt >alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with >Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to >eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting
location), >engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as >emergency engine-driven bilge pump. > >Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump >pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water, >waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and >fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last >spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two >amidships. > >Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast, >I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the >headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the >finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the >hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short, >I’ve left a few small things to keep the next
owner modestly interested. > >My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this >sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom >30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the >improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps >you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did. > >Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll >be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some >photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro >photographer son to take some for any interested buyer. > >Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com. > >Al Lorman >F30 Ab Initio > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database:
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[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Fargo:

You’re
too kind. Like you, I don’t plan to leave this wonderful group.

Best,

Al

From:
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Behalf Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:43 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Al

You should be a humorist…with a technical twist. Love your
stuff… We have both loved our F30 and her projects. She is such a
perfectable boat…so worth the effort.

Best,
Fargo

Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:




I have a friend in Maine who
rebuilds boats for a living and I’ve often thought of running away to
work with him. Sadly, practicing law pays more and my kids have yet to
finish college. I’m certainly going to acquire another
project. (I used to have this same problem with fixing up houses, but I
stopped after 4.)

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What did you say your 32 needed
done…….?

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Best,

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Al

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From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:34 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)



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Good luck with the sale of your boat, Al. Someone will be
getting a gem.
When you get the urge to start tinkering again, please feel free to
head to Maine. There’s an F32 in Pemaquid who I’m sure wouldn’t mind
the deft touch of your fingers. While it doesn’t need too much work,
I’m sure you could find something to do. You know you’ll need
another project eventually.
Best,
TW

At 05:46 PM 11/18/2007, you wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[ajlorman]

Posted by ajlorman (ajl@…>)

Folks:

I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio at
http://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/ for any interested buyers or the boat
voyeurs among us.

Al

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

[kevin_vibert]

Posted by kevin vibert (kevin_vibert@…>)
Al, by all account its a beautiful boat, you did a very nice job on it. How much are you asking for it? K ajlorman <ajl@…> wrote: Folks:I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio athttp://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/ for any interested buyers or the boatvoyeurs among us.Al — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:>> It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987> Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow> F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s> afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over> $17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on> the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the> receipts to prove it.> > Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one> of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do> sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify> spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few> to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.) > The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work> on, but since I live
in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my> “work on” boat in my backyard.> > Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this> stuff is new):> > Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,> ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and> stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle> handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,> stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover> most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars> holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether> attachment.> > Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,> 6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all> teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella
fans,> refinished cabin sole.> > Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel> pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch> with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual> AM/FM/CD/weather radio.> > Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong> Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new> Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for> spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck> organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball> bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.> > Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt> alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with> Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting
(relocated to> eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),> engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as> emergency engine-driven bilge pump.> > Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump> pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,> waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and> fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last> spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two> amidships. > > Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,> I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the> headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the> finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the> hull because my yard doesn’t allow work
below the toe rail. In short,> I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.> > My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this> sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom> 30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the> improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps> you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did. > > Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll> be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some> photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro> photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.> > Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

[kevin_vibert]

Posted by kevin vibert (kevin_vibert@…>)
Sorry Al no need to reply I see the proce in the email I replied to. K kevin vibert <kevin_vibert@…> wrote: Al, by all account its a beautiful boat, you did a very nice job on it. How much are you asking for it? K ajlorman <ajl@lormanlawdc.com> wrote: Folks:I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio athttp://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/ for any interested buyers or the boatvoyeurs among us.Al — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:>> It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987> Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow> F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s> afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over> $17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on> the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the> receipts to prove it.> > Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one> of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do> sailing. I’ve reached the
point where I can no longer justify> spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few> to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.) > The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work> on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my> “work on” boat in my backyard.> > Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this> stuff is new):> > Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,> ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and> stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle> handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,> stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover> most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars> holder at helm; wheel/pedestal
cover, Wichard U bolts for tether> attachment.> > Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,> 6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all> teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,> refinished cabin sole.> > Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel> pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch> with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual> AM/FM/CD/weather radio.> > Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong> Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new> Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for> spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck> organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new
ball> bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.> > Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt> alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with> Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to> eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),> engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as> emergency engine-driven bilge pump.> > Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump> pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,> waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and> fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last> spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two> amidships. > > Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting
the mast,> I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the> headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the> finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the> hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,> I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.> > My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this> sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom> 30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the> improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps> you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did. > > Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll> be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some> photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll
try to get my pro> photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.> > Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>

[Jeff_Chale]

Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
Hi Al, Where did you get those beautiful mid-ship cleats? They look perfect. Jeff Chale F-30 Vashon, WAajlorman <ajl@…> wrote: Folks:I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio athttp://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/ for any interested buyers or the boatvoyeurs among us.Al — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:>> It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987> Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow> F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s> afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over> $17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on> the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the> receipts to prove it.> > Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one> of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do> sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify> spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few> to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point
quite a while ago.) > The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work> on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my> “work on” boat in my backyard.> > Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this> stuff is new):> > Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,> ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and> stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle> handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,> stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover> most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars> holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether> attachment.> > Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,> 6 new ABI brass
xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all> teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,> refinished cabin sole.> > Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel> pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch> with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual> AM/FM/CD/weather radio.> > Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong> Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new> Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for> spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck> organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball> bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.> > Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt> alternator, Racor
fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with> Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to> eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),> engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as> emergency engine-driven bilge pump.> > Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump> pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,> waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and> fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last> spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two> amidships. > > Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,> I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the> headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the> finish
on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the> hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,> I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.> > My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this> sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom> 30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the> improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps> you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did. > > Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll> be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some> photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro> photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.> > Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.>

Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio>
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[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Jeff:

They’re
Holt Allen cleats from the UK. I had to special order them from someone in
the US who had to order them from the distributor in Canada. Here’s
a link to the Holt Allen catalog page: http://www.holtnautos.com/deck/detail.asp?line=spring

Cheers,

Al

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Chale
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:05 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Hi Al,

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Where did you get those beautiful mid-ship cleats?
They look perfect.

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Jeff Chale


F-30


Vashon, WA

ajlorman <ajl@…> wrote:




Folks:

I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio at
http://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/
for any interested buyers or the boat
voyeurs among us.

Al

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:

It is with considerable reluctance that I offer Ab Initio, my 1987
Freedom 30 (hull no. 70) for sale. With no disrespect to my fellow
F30 owners, I think Ab Initio is one of the finest Freedom 30’s
afloat. In the three years that I have owned her, I have spent over
$17,000 for parts and materials upgrading virtually every system on
the boat. She is, as they say, in sail-away condition, and I have the
receipts to prove it.

Why, you may ask, am I selling such a beauty? It is simple: I am one
of those people who enjoy fixing and upgrading as much as I do
sailing. I’ve reached the point where I can no longer justify
spending any more money on improvements, though there are precious few
to do. (Actually, I probably passed that point quite a while ago.)
The perfect solution would be to have one boat to sail and one to work
on, but since I live in a city, I don’t have enough room to park my
“work on” boat in my backyard.

Here’s a sketch of the significant upgrades to Ab Initio (all this
stuff is new):

Cockpit: double bend pedestal guard, NavPod four instrument mount,
ICOM CommandMic at helm, 36" Edson wheel with leather cover and
stainless wheel nut (I do get carried away), stainless throttle
handle, stainless steel deck plate over emergency tiller access,
stainless steel bimini with Dubonnet tweed Sunbrella designed to cover
most of cockpit, custom stern rail seats, teak four drink/binoculars
holder at helm; wheel/pedestal cover, Wichard U bolts for tether
attachment.

Cabin: gray tweed upholstery, custom teak storage boxes on starboard,
6 new ABI brass xenon cabin lights, four red LED courtesy lights, all
teak varnished, teak binoculars and magazine racks, 2 Hella fans,
refinished cabin sole.

Electronics: Raymarine ST60 wind, speed, and depth, ST 4000+ wheel
pilot, Garmin Map 76, ICOM 422, Metz antenna, Blue Seas battery switch
with automatic charging relay, battery wiring with proper fuses, Dual
AM/FM/CD/weather radio.

Sails and sail handling: Haarstick fully battened main with Strong
Track system, Haarstick jib, Garhauer rigid boom vang, all new
Garhauer stainless steel blocks, all new running rigging (except for
spare halyard), mostly Sta-Set, Spinlock rope clutches, Spinlock deck
organizers, Harken windward sheeting car adapter on traveler, new ball
bearings for traveler, Dubonnet tweed sail covers.

Engine: Speedseal raw water pump cover, new water hoses, rebuilt
alternator, Racor fuel filter and fuel lines, Vetus exhaust hose with
Marelon ball valve, stainless transom exhaust fitting (relocated to
eliminate the diesel mustache caused by existing fitting location),
engine hour meter, raw water T fitting for winterization and to use as
emergency engine-driven bilge pump.

Misc: Two inspection ports in freshwater tank, bilge and shower sump
pumps, Flojet Sensor VSD fresh water pump, stainless steel water,
waste and fuel deck fills, 316 stainless steel bare lifelines and
fittings, years of old bottom paint removed down to barrier coat last
spring, four Holt Allen cleats bolted to toe rail, two at bow and two
amidships.

Is Ab Initio perfect? No. I never got around to repainting the mast,
I haven’t replaced the upholstery in the aft cabin. I reglued the
headliner, but never got around to replacing it. I’ve renewed the
finish on most of the coach top with PoliGlow, but I haven’t done the
hull because my yard doesn’t allow work below the toe rail. In short,
I’ve left a few small things to keep the next owner modestly interested.

My price is $47,500. I have no expectation of breaking even on this
sale, but I’m not prepared to take a bath, either. There are Freedom
30’s out there that cost a bit less, but by the time you make half the
improvements I’ve made, you’ll end up paying much more. And perhaps
you don’t enjoy doing the work as much as I did.

Ab Initio is on the South River, one river south of Annapolis. She’ll
be in the water until December 3, and hauled thereafter. I have some
photos, but none that do her justice. I’ll try to get my pro
photographer son to take some for any interested buyer.

Please feel to get in touch with me at ajlorman AT yahoo DOT com.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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[lance_ryley]

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Al,
that is one really great looking boat. I’m sure you won’t have any
trouble finding a new home for her.

Lance

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:

Folks:

I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio at
http://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/ for any interested buyers or the boat
voyeurs among us.

Al

[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Many
thanks, Lance.

Al

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of lance_ryley
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:36 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Al,
that is one really great looking boat. I’m sure you won’t have any
trouble finding a new home for her.

Lance

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“ajlorman” <ajl@…> wrote:

Folks:

I’ve posted some photos of Ab Initio at
http://www.lormanlawdc.com/f30/
for any interested buyers or the boat
voyeurs among us.

Al


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[bballgrump]

Posted by bballgrump (mevans@…>)

Al:

I’m with Lance on this one, you do indeed have one very fine looking
boat, definitely priced below market value. Don’t waste you money on a
professional photographer, as the pictures you have already taken, and
were kind enough to post, show her off as well as any.

Are the captains seats astern of the helm custom made or did you pick
those up as an aftermarket part. If you did buy them can you tell me
where, Santa is looking for ideas.

Mark
Seismic F-30
Suttons Bay

[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Mark:

Thank
you for your kind words.

Actually,
the photos were done by a pro: my son. He’s a freelance
photographer, among other things. (www.alexlorman.com).
He and I have often discussed why the photos on YachtWorld are generally so
poor; good photos of a good boat should certainly help sell more quickly.

I
made the “captains” seats myself. I think they’re
generally called stern rail seats. You’ll be able to read all about
how I did it in the March-April issue of Good Old Boat. You can buy them
(though I like my homemade ones better). Look here:
http://www.clrmarine.com/467.html

Best,

Al

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bballgrump
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:45 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Al:

I’m with Lance on this one, you do indeed have one very fine looking
boat, definitely priced below market value. Don’t waste you money on a
professional photographer, as the pictures you have already taken, and
were kind enough to post, show her off as well as any.

Are the captains seats astern of the helm custom made or did you pick
those up as an aftermarket part. If you did buy them can you tell me
where, Santa is looking for ideas.

Mark
Seismic F-30
Suttons Bay


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[Bill_Cimino]

Posted by Bill Cimino (magicseeker@…>)

Wow! I am still porthole shopping for the perfect Freedom but I’ve already chosen the perfect Stern Perch! (sigh!!) Thanks Al for the link! I also wish my $$$ allowed me to consider your F30…still have daughter in college and must make smart choices.

Boatless Bill in Naples

To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: ajl@…Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:12:40 -0500Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)




Mark:

Thank you for your kind words.

Actually, the photos were done by a pro: my son. He’s a freelance photographer, among other things. (www.alexlorman.com). He and I have often discussed why the photos on YachtWorld are generally so poor; good photos of a good boat should certainly help sell more quickly.

I made the “captains” seats myself. I think they’re generally called stern rail seats. You’ll be able to read all about how I did it in the March-April issue of Good Old Boat. You can buy them (though I like my homemade ones better). Look here:
http://www.clrmarine.com/467.html

Best,

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bballgrumpSent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:45 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

Al:I’m with Lance on this one, you do indeed have one very fine looking boat, definitely priced below market value. Don’t waste you money on a professional photographer, as the pictures you have already taken, and were kind enough to post, show her off as well as any.Are the captains seats astern of the helm custom made or did you pick those up as an aftermarket part. If you did buy them can you tell me where, Santa is looking for ideas.MarkSeismic F-30Suttons Bay

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[Al_Lorman1]

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


I’ll
having two kids in college next year. Think of all the boat bucks that
will cost!

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cimino
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:39 AM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Wow! I am still porthole shopping for the
perfect Freedom but I’ve already chosen the perfect Stern Perch!
(sigh!!) Thanks Al for the link! I also wish my $$$ allowed me to consider
your F30…still have daughter in college and must make smart choices.

Boatless Bill in Naples


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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
From: ajl@…
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:12:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)




Mark:

Thank you for your kind words.

Actually, the photos were done
by a pro: my son. He’s a freelance photographer, among other
things. (www.alexlorman.com).
He and I have often discussed why the photos on YachtWorld are generally so
poor; good photos of a good boat should certainly help sell more quickly.

I made the
“captains” seats myself. I think they’re generally
called stern rail seats. You’ll be able to read all about how I did
it in the March-April issue of Good Old Boat. You can buy them (though I
like my homemade ones better). Look here:
http://www.clrmarine.com/467.html

Best,

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of bballgrump
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:45 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 30 for sale (sigh)

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Al:

I’m with Lance on this one, you do indeed have one very fine looking
boat, definitely priced below market value. Don’t waste you money on a
professional photographer, as the pictures you have already taken, and
were kind enough to post, show her off as well as any.

Are the captains seats astern of the helm custom made or did you pick
those up as an aftermarket part. If you did buy them can you tell me
where, Santa is looking for ideas.

Mark
Seismic F-30
Suttons Bay



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