Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Has anyone had fuel problems?
Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black
smoke.
I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up
pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
All was fine after that.
But now the problem is back.
Any suggestions?
I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank
topped off.


Anthony Marsibilio
Freedom 36/38
Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@…Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Thanks for your quick reply I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer. What would overload the engine ? ThanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

Dirty bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could also mean the injectors need cleaning.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@…Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thanks for your quick reply I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer. What would overload the engine ? ThanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Thanks again Al, Bottom clean and prop has not changed, I will try to clean the injectors. Can the injectors be cleaned with an additive or do I need to pop them out?From: “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:13:14 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Dirty bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could also mean the injectors need cleaning.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thanks for your quick reply I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer. What would overload the engine ? ThanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

I think they need to be removed but I’d get the advice of someone who knows more than I do before I did that.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@…Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:16:56 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thanks again Al, Bottom clean and prop has not changed, I will try to clean the injectors. Can the injectors be cleaned with an additive or do I need to pop them out?From: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:13:14 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Dirty bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could also mean the injectors need cleaning.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thanks for your quick reply I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer. What would overload the engine ? ThanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Ok many thanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:26:54 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke I think they need to be removed but I’d get the advice of someone who knows more than I do before I did that.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:16:56 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thanks again Al, Bottom clean and prop has not changed, I will try to clean the injectors. Can the injectors be cleaned with an additive or do I need to pop them out?From: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:13:14 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Dirty bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could also mean the injectors need cleaning.Law Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smo ke Thanks for your quick reply I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer. What would overload the engine ? ThanksFrom: “Al Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months. Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.AlLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: amarsib@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


I read about cleaning injectors and it
does not look like an easy task for a DIYer, not extremely hard but lots of
little parts, etc (any opinions from others, please state your level of
experience). Mach Boring charges $45 plus cost of new parts needed and new ones
are around $115 I believe. I have been wrestling with the idea of pulling them
and sending them in, but that would put me out of commission for at least a
week. Weekends are very valuable! I get the same black smoke or exhaust when
I push it to 2800 RPMs. I have a three bladed prop and it is not very powerful
in reverse and as I stated above smokey at 2800 and 2800 is the highest it will
go also. Maybe we should get the richest guy out there to buy a new set and
then we can start a round robin having the float set being rebuilt. I can live
with it until the fall since I only use the engine to get in and out of the
marine. I am generally not in a hurry to get anywhere quickly!

Bob

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
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I think they need to be removed but I’d get the advice
of someone who knows more than I do before I did that.
Law
Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359

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From: amarsib@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:16:56
+0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke


Thanks
again Al,
Bottom clean and prop has not changed, I will try to clean the injectors. Can
the injectors be cleaned with an additive or do I need to pop them out?



From: “Al
Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:13:14
+0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke


Dirty
bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could also mean the
injectors need cleaning.
Law
Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359

Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless



From: amarsib@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40
+0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke


Thanks for
your quick reply
I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer.
What would overload the engine ?
Thanks



From: “Al
Lorman” <ajl@lormanlawdc.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28
+0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke


Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer
and the other a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to Thailand, it
started right up after not being used for five months.

Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.

Al
Law
Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359

Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless



From: amarsib@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11
+0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Has
anyone had fuel problems?
Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black
smoke.
I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up
pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
All was fine after that.
But now the problem is back.
Any suggestions?
I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank
topped off.


Anthony Marsibilio
Freedom 36/38
Three Mile Harbor NY






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Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Are you sure that fuel problems are not back? Is your Racor filter bowl totally clean? I had problems with fuel and the dirt wound up cloging the injectors leading to black smoke. Even with a clean tank (very difficult to be sure of) new fuel can introduce dirt. BTW, if you haven’t done so, I suggest buying Nigel Calder’s “Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual - How to Maintain, Repair, and Improve Your Boat’s Essential Systems.” - ReesOn Jul 13, 2008, at 4:09 PM, amarsib@… wrote: Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Thanks ReesI can try to empty the tank again. Last season I emptied the tank into olive barrels I was able to obtain from a local greek food dist. Then gave the fuel back to the marina. Does anyone buy diesel from a gas station ? My primary filter is a racor rp 12From: Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:20:15 -0400To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Are you sure that fuel problems are not back? Is your Racor filter bowl totally clean? I had problems with fuel and the dirt wound up cloging the injectors leading to black smoke. Even with a clean tank (very difficult to be sure of) new fuel can introduce dirt. BTW, if you haven’t done so, I suggest buying Nigel Calder’s “Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual - How to Maintain, Repair, and Improve Your Boat’s Essential Systems.” - ReesOn Jul 13, 2008, at 4:09 PM, amarsib@aol.com wrote: Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Check your air cleaner/filter also. A clogged air filter can cause black smoke.On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM, <amarsib@…> wrote:





Thanks ReesI can try to empty the tank again. Last season I emptied the tank into olive barrels I was able to obtain from a local greek food dist. Then gave the fuel back to the marina. Does anyone buy diesel from a gas station ?
My primary filter is a racor rp 12From: Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:20:15 -0400
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke
Are you sure that fuel problems are not back? Is your Racor filter bowl totally clean? I had problems with fuel and the dirt wound up cloging the injectors leading to black smoke. Even with a clean tank (very difficult to be sure of) new fuel can introduce dirt.
BTW, if you haven’t done so, I suggest buying Nigel Calder’s “Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual - How to Maintain, Repair, and Improve Your Boat’s Essential Systems.”

  • ReesOn Jul 13, 2008, at 4:09 PM, amarsib@… wrote:
    Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
    All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38
    Three Mile Harbor NY


    – Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area

Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Hi Anthony,Our boat (1986 36/38) is kept in the British Virgin Islands. Fuel here can be a real problem. As a result, I installed a set of two parallel filters, each with two shut-off valves so I can quickly switch from one filter to the other.My local guru, a man who worked for Freedom for 15 years, advises, and we use, Racor RS12 filters with a cut-off of 2 microns. It is his opinion that the RP12 with a cut-off of 30 microns, puts too much reliance on the secondary, in-engine filter. Earlier this year, a bunch of blackish material appeared in one of the filter bowls. I switched to the other filter only to discover that crud was appearing there as well. It is then that I noted the black smoke. Our boat was built in 1986 and, while having three compartments, did not have any access port. Thus, he created a port for the main section, pumped all fuel out into jerry cans, took the fuel to our island incinerator, created a hole, installed a port, cleaned out the tank as best he could, and re-filled. Since then, we have not had problems (one month) but if I have more problems, I will install two more ports, one for each compartment. Because the compartments have very different depths, and because the holes connecting the compartments are at the bottom of each divider, most of the crud should wind up in the largest, fore compartment so his fix may be all we need. Nevertheless, I continue to be concerned. One of the biggest ways to avoid crud (largely organisms that grow in the fuel-water interface) is to keep water out of the fuel. One thing that helps is to keep the tank as full as possible to reduce condensation. Another may be to filter the fuel upon delivery. I bought a fuel filter funnel from West Marine but made the mistake of getting one too small (3.5 gal/min). It overflows too fast. Importantly, the manufacturer claims that it can remove water as it is delivered from the hose. I intend to purchase the largest one. I think it could be a substantial help. - ReesOn Jul 13, 2008, at 7:47 PM, amarsib@… wrote:Thanks ReesI can try to empty the tank again.Last season I emptied the tank into olive barrels I was able to obtain from a local greek food dist. Then gave the fuel back to the marina.Does anyone buy diesel from a gas station ?My primary filter is a racor rp 12From: Rees Midgley <rmidgley@umich.edu>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:20:15 -0400To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black SmokeAre you sure that fuel problems are not back? Is your Racor filter bowl totally clean? I had problems with fuel and the dirt wound up cloging the injectors leading to black smoke. Even with a clean tank (very difficult to be sure of) new fuel can introduce dirt. BTW, if you haven’t done so, I suggest buying Nigel Calder’s “Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual - How to Maintain, Repair, and Improve Your Boat’s Essential Systems.” - ReesOn Jul 13, 2008, at 4:09 PM, amarsib@aol.com wrote:Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke.I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended uppumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.All was fine after that.But now the problem is back.Any suggestions?I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off.Anthony MarsibilioFreedom 36/38Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

I had the black smoke symptom on my 2GMF when my propeller was loaded
with barnacles. Herm

At 05:13 PM 7/13/2008, you wrote:

Dirty bottom; wrong pitch on prop. Black smoke is fuel. So it could
also mean the injectors need cleaning.

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1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
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Cell: 202.236.2359

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From: amarsib@…
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:59:40 +0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Thanks for your quick reply
I did use Algae-x which is a bio stablizer.
What would overload the engine ?
Thanks


From: “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:34:28 +0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Do you use StaBil and BioBor? One is a fuel stabilizer and the other
a bug killer. I used those and when my former F30 was shipped to
Thailand, it started right up after not being used for five months.

Black smoke is generally a sign of an overloaded engine.

Al

Law Office of
Alvin J. Lorman
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100
Cell: 202.236.2359

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From: amarsib@…
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:11 +0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Has anyone had fuel problems?
Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in
gear and black smoke.
I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up
pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
All was fine after that.
But now the problem is back.
Any suggestions?
I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do
keep my tank topped off.

Anthony Marsibilio
Freedom 36/38
Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)

Agree could be fuel filters. I had lots of problems back a few years, tried fuel polishing, cleaning the tank, etc… Finally fixed it on a suggestion from an older friend. Pumped the lowest point in the tank to remove water and sludge, replaced the gasket on the fuel fill, and haven’t had any problems since. Pump the tank thee times a year - at launch, in the middle of the season, and at haul out. After the initial pump out haven’t had any water for several years. Can’t get bugs if there isn’t any water.

Jim Demerest
F36/38 Lady of Remes

Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)

Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt and the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned the bottom in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!!

Melissa
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----- Original Message ----From: “amarsib@…” <amarsib@…>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke.I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended uppumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.All was fine after that.But now the problem is back.Any suggestions?I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off.Anthony MarsibilioFreedom 36/38Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Hi Melissa, Have not been to the boat in a few weeks but am anxious to get there tomorrow to figure it out. Thanks to all the suggestions from Al, Rees, Jay, Herm and Jim, I will be busy trouble shooting. Will advise next week of any finds Anthony s/v t squareFrom: Melissa <kalicinm@…>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT)To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt and the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned the bottom in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!! Melissas/v Acedia F38 “Pollution is a silent form of violence” -Ralph Nader “Plastics, like diamonds, are forever!” -The Earth Resource Foundation (for more information on the adverse effects of plastics on human health and the environment, please visit–http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html) ~ Please consider the environment prior to printing documents and offset carbon footprint, give electronics a break by shutting them down and unplugging when not in use ~----- Original Message ----From: “amarsib@aol.com” <amarsib@aol.com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black SmokeHas anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke.I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended uppumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.All was fine after that.But now the problem is back.Any suggestions?I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off.Anthony MarsibilioFreedom 36/38Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)

A prop doesn’ have to be very dirty to severely limit the ability of
the prop to cleanly slice thru the water and deliver it’s power into
forward thrust. Black exhaust smoke is a sure sign of unburnt fuel
which usually results from increasing the throttle and overloading the
diesel. Just watch a large diesel truck try to quickly accelerate.
They all throw a plume of thick black smoke.
If your bottom and prop haven’t been cleaned in three years the prop is
probably just a crude “paddle” and has little ability to move the boat.
John Jones F33 #55, 1982






Melissa wrote:

Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black
smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt and
the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant
power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned
the bottom in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!!

Melissa
s/v Acedia F38

“Pollution is a silent form of violence” -Ralph Nader

“Plastics, like diamonds, are forever!” -The Earth Resource Foundation
(for more information on the adverse effects of plastics on human
health and the environment, please
visit–http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html
http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html)

~ Please consider the environment prior to printing documents and
offset carbon footprint,

give electronics a break by shutting them down and unplugging when not
in use ~

----- Original Message ----
From: “amarsib@…” <amarsib@…>
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Has anyone had fuel problems?
Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear
and black smoke.
I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up
pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
All was fine after that.
But now the problem is back.
Any suggestions?
I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep
my tank topped off.

Anthony Marsibilio
Freedom 36/38
Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

Thankyou Herm and everyone who helped. Although the boat yard coated the prop and shaft with zinc , lots of barnacles etc. was on the prop and shaft. Cleaned it all up (tough to hold your breath and clean at the same time) Loaded the engine while at the dock all seems ok !From: Melissa <kalicinm@…>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT)To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt and the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned the bottom in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!! Melissas/v Acedia F38 “Pollution is a silent form of violence” -Ralph Nader “Plastics, like diamonds, are forever!” -The Earth Resource Foundation (for more information on the adverse effects of plastics on human health and the environment, please visit–http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html) ~ Please consider the environment prior to printing documents and offset carbon footprint, give electronics a break by shutting them down and unplugging when not in use ~----- Original Message ----From: “amarsib@aol.com” <amarsib@aol.com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black SmokeHas anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke.I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended uppumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.All was fine after that.But now the problem is back.Any suggestions?I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off.Anthony MarsibilioFreedom 36/38Three Mile Harbor NY

Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Be careful because I can load my engine at
the dock and get a different result when you are out there in the wind,
current, etc.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amarsib@…
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:05
PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke




Thankyou
Herm and everyone who helped.
Although the boat yard coated the prop and shaft with zinc , lots of barnacles
etc. was on the prop and shaft. Cleaned it all up (tough to hold your breath
and clean at the same time) Loaded the engine while at the dock all seems ok !



From: Melissa
<kalicinm@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:12:19
-0700 (PDT)
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke



Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black
smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt
and the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant
power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned the bottom
in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!!

\



Melissa


s/v Acedia F38

“Pollution is a silent form of violence”
-Ralph Nader

“Plastics,
like diamonds, are forever!” -The Earth Resource Foundation (for more information on the adverse
effects of plastics on human health and the environment, please visit–http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html)

~ Please consider the environment prior to printing
documents and offset carbon footprint,
give electronics a break by shutting them down and
unplugging when not in use ~


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From: “amarsib@aol.com” <amarsib@aol.com>
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke

Has
anyone had fuel problems?
Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black
smoke.
I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up
pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports.
All was fine after that.
But now the problem is back.
Any suggestions?
I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank
topped off.


Anthony Marsibilio
Freedom 36/38
Three Mile Harbor NY



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Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)

I removed the exhaust elbow and manifold today and found the openings 1/2 blocked. A mechanic mentioned this may contribute to the loss of power and black smoke. Will try again next wknd after I install the new parts. Any one know the best way to safley remove a gasket stuck to the engine? Anthony Marsibilio F 36/38 T 2From: “Bob Weeks” <rweeks6508@…>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:21:22 -0400To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Be careful because I can load my engine at the dock and get a different result when you are out there in the wind, current, etc. Bob From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amarsib@aol.comSent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:05 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Thankyou Herm and everyone who helped. Although the boat yard coated the prop and shaft with zinc , lots of barnacles etc. was on the prop and shaft. Cleaned it all up (tough to hold your breath and clean at the same time) Loaded the engine while at the dock all seems ok ! From: Melissa <kalicinm@yahoo.com>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT)To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Did you ever figure out what caused the lack of power and black smoke? I am having the same issue. I had my injectors rebuilt and the fuel polished and it didn’t help. I’m now down significant power-almost like I’ve lost an entire cylender, but haven’t cleaned the bottom in three years, could it really be a dirty prop!!! Melissa s/v Acedia F38 “Pollution is a silent form of violence” -Ralph Nader “Plastics, like diamonds, are forever!” -The Earth Resource Foundation (for more information on the adverse effects of plastics on human health and the environment, please visit–http://www.earthresource.org/campaigns/capp/capp-overview.html) ~ Please consider the environment prior to printing documents and offset carbon footprint, give electronics a break by shutting them down and unplugging when not in use ~ ----- Original Message ---- From: “amarsib@aol.com” <amarsib@aol.com> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:09:11 PM Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Fuel Tretment/Black Smoke Has anyone had fuel problems? Same time last season and now, I am having loss of power when in gear and black smoke. I purchased a algae-x fuel polisher and additive last season but ended up pumping all the fuel out and cleaning the tank thru the 3 access ports. All was fine after that. But now the problem is back. Any suggestions? I did add algae-x fuel treatment at the end of last season and do keep my tank topped off. Anthony Marsibilio Freedom 36/38 Three Mile Harbor NY No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 5:42 PM