Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t

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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the side
(the contents, not the bucket).

;^P

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Ah yes, ye olde cedar bucket. Over here, if you want to maintain
your sex life, you had best cater to the gentler sensabilities. I
draw the line at bidets.



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the
side
(the contents, not the bucket).

;^P

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it pumped out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage treatment.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Capel
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t
Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the side (the contents, not the bucket). ;^P

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Alan,
my understanding is that the LectraSan does an excellent job on
bacterial count, but does nothing about nitrogen content. Clean
fertilizer is still fertilizer :wink: Not that a sailboat, or even 100
sailboats in one area, could contribute as much nitrogen to the
water as the runoff from fertilized fields and peoples’ green lawns,
but it is still a potential source of eutrophication. In places with
very little tidal flushing action (like Great Salt Pond or parts of
the Chesapeake) this can lead to algae blooms or the eradication of
native species. Still, I agree it’s a major pain to hold waste
onboard. Furthermore, it seems grossly unfair for a marina to charge
for a service that is mandated by law. At least in NE, there are a
fair number of federally subsidized, free pumpouts.

Michel, I know your comment was meant tongue in cheek about the
bucket. Over here, fines range from $300/incident to upwards of
$15,000 per day. In the Keys, your vessel can be seized if you do
not comply within 30 days (at least according to
http://www.reefrelief.org/Printed_edu/NDZ/brochure.html , dated
2001). That’s a pretty expensive bucket :wink:

Lance
F40 Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it pumped
out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes
sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or
another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system
like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage
treatment.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Capel
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t

Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the
side
(the contents, not the bucket).

;^P

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Posted by CaptGoodSail@… (CaptGoodSail@…)


Funny how water quality on the Chesapeake is far worse now that all the boating crowd has been forced to “diaper” their heads. Do you think the problem lies ashore? LOL

Perhaps we could get the legislators to pass a law requiring the ducks and geese to wear diapers.

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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Its trying to rationalize why something that has a relatively small effect is regulated so strictly and other things that have huge impact have less or no regulation. but I guess something is better then nothing. On some lakes which have been no discharge for many years algae bloom is far worse then ever due to sewage and industrial overflow. Too bad that can’t be as controlled.
Thanks for the info.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: lance_ryley
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t
Alan,my understanding is that the LectraSan does an excellent job on bacterial count, but does nothing about nitrogen content. Clean fertilizer is still fertilizer :wink: Not that a sailboat, or even 100 sailboats in one area, could contribute as much nitrogen to the water as the runoff from fertilized fields and peoples’ green lawns, but it is still a potential source of eutrophication. In places with very little tidal flushing action (like Great Salt Pond or parts of the Chesapeake) this can lead to algae blooms or the eradication of native species. Still, I agree it’s a major pain to hold waste onboard. Furthermore, it seems grossly unfair for a marina to charge for a service that is mandated by law. At least in NE, there are a fair number of federally subsidized, free pumpouts.Michel, I know your comment was meant tongue in cheek about the bucket. Over here, fines range from $300/incident to upwards of $15,000 per day. In the Keys, your vessel can be seized if you do not comply within 30 days (at least according to http://www.reefrelief.org/Printed_edu/NDZ/brochure.html , dated 2001). That’s a pretty expensive bucket ;)LanceF40 Bright Star— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@y…> wrote:> Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it pumped out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage treatment. > Alan> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michel Capel > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:02 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t> > > > Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the side > (the contents, not the bucket). > > ;^P

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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Boaters are an easy political mark. The pol’s point out how many boats there are in the US, lead the non-boating public to believe that each boater dumps raw fecal matter in our waters, lakes and bays daily, then regulaten the boaters, spins it to the public (non-boaters) that they’re “saving the environment”, and “presto!”, they’ve made political points to keep them elected, or re-elected. I know it sounds cynical, but it’s too true…PWMAlan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote:

Its trying to rationalize why something that has a relatively small effect is regulated so strictly and other things that have huge impact have less or no regulation. but I guess something is better then nothing. On some lakes which have been no discharge for many years algae bloom is far worse then ever due to sewage and industrial overflow. Too bad that can’t be as controlled.
Thanks for the info.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: lance_ryley
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t
Alan,my understanding is that the LectraSan does an excellent job on bacterial count, but does nothing about nitrogen content. Clean fertilizer is still fertilizer :wink: Not that a sailboat, or even 100 sailboats in one area, could contribute as much nitrogen to the water as the runoff from fertilized fields and peoples’ green lawns, but it is still a potential source of eutrophication. In places with very little tidal flushing action (like Great Salt Pond or parts of the Chesapeake) this can lead to algae blooms or the eradication of native species. Still, I agree it’s a major pain to hold waste onboard. Furthermore, it seems grossly unfair for a marina to charge for a service that is mandated by law. At least in NE, there are a fair number of federally subsidized, free pumpouts.Michel, I know your comment was meant tongue in cheek about the bucket. Over here, fines range from $300/incident to upwards of
$15,000 per day. In the Keys, your vessel can be seized if you do not comply within 30 days (at least according to http://www.reefrelief.org/Printed_edu/NDZ/brochure.html , dated 2001). That’s a pretty expensive bucket ;)LanceF40 Bright Star— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@y…> wrote:> Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it pumped out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage treatment. > Alan> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michel Capel > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday,
March 24, 2005 7:02 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t> > > > Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the side > (the contents, not the bucket). > > ;^P
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Lance, regulations are changing here too. Newly built boats already
have to have waste tanks. But, there there are no pumpout stations
yet!

Michel



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

Alan,
my understanding is that the LectraSan does an excellent job on
bacterial count, but does nothing about nitrogen content. Clean
fertilizer is still fertilizer :wink: Not that a sailboat, or even 100
sailboats in one area, could contribute as much nitrogen to the
water as the runoff from fertilized fields and peoples’ green
lawns,
but it is still a potential source of eutrophication. In places
with
very little tidal flushing action (like Great Salt Pond or parts of
the Chesapeake) this can lead to algae blooms or the eradication of
native species. Still, I agree it’s a major pain to hold waste
onboard. Furthermore, it seems grossly unfair for a marina to
charge
for a service that is mandated by law. At least in NE, there are a
fair number of federally subsidized, free pumpouts.

Michel, I know your comment was meant tongue in cheek about the
bucket. Over here, fines range from $300/incident to upwards of
$15,000 per day. In the Keys, your vessel can be seized if you do
not comply within 30 days (at least according to
http://www.reefrelief.org/Printed_edu/NDZ/brochure.html , dated
2001). That’s a pretty expensive bucket :wink:

Lance
F40 Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it
pumped
out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes
sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or
another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system
like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage
treatment.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Capel
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t

Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the
side
(the contents, not the bucket).

;^P

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Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)

Living, as we do, in an area where there are few people, fewer boats, and tides
that run up
to 7 knots, an old fashioned head is no problem. However, three seasons in the
Baltic
showed us what the problems can be, with green waters inshore, and substantial
blooms
of algae south of Stockholm: they are too poor to afford proper tides, and the
sea gets
unnaturally hot in summer! An environmental exhibition suggested that the
problem was
the organic nitrogen component of urine, and not faeces, which are merely smelly
and
infective.

We fixed our responsibilities for this by using a camping toilet from an RV,
which has a
small water tank and holding tank. The latter can be carried ashore and emptied
into a
WC, for free. Two of us fill it in five or six days. When cleaned and separated
into two
parts, it fits into lockers on our F33 CK; in use it sits on the floor of the
shower/heads
compartment, and is smell free. Cost was £40 ($80).

20 yrs ago, we used to have nothing but a bucket, until one day we disagreed
about which
one was clean and which wasn’t!

Gerald Freshwater




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel” <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:

Lance, regulations are changing here too. Newly built boats already
have to have waste tanks. But, there there are no pumpout stations
yet!

Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

Alan,
my understanding is that the LectraSan does an excellent job on
bacterial count, but does nothing about nitrogen content. Clean
fertilizer is still fertilizer :wink: Not that a sailboat, or even 100
sailboats in one area, could contribute as much nitrogen to the
water as the runoff from fertilized fields and peoples’ green
lawns,
but it is still a potential source of eutrophication. In places
with
very little tidal flushing action (like Great Salt Pond or parts of
the Chesapeake) this can lead to algae blooms or the eradication of
native species. Still, I agree it’s a major pain to hold waste
onboard. Furthermore, it seems grossly unfair for a marina to
charge
for a service that is mandated by law. At least in NE, there are a
fair number of federally subsidized, free pumpouts.

Michel, I know your comment was meant tongue in cheek about the
bucket. Over here, fines range from $300/incident to upwards of
$15,000 per day. In the Keys, your vessel can be seized if you do
not comply within 30 days (at least according to
http://www.reefrelief.org/Printed_edu/NDZ/brochure.html , dated
2001). That’s a pretty expensive bucket :wink:

Lance
F40 Bright Star
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Here in the US we have to accumulate it then pay to have it
pumped
out to public sewer lines which then pump it into the water. Makes
sense no? :slight_smile: Yes, yes I know it gets treated to one degree or
another but in some areas we’re not allowed to use treatment system
like the Lectra san that are better then the public sewage
treatment.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Capel
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Gee, what a lotta talk about sh@t

Here in Europe, we just crap in a bucket and throw it over the
side
(the contents, not the bucket).

;^P