Posted by Kevin P. Taylor (kevin@…>)
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.
I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures
of systems, etc.
Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Hire a surveyor and ask him/her to come along!
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin P. TaylorSent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:20 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Hi all,I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.–Kevin
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Posted by Brain Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Kevin
I would try and find an experienced Freedom sailor to verify that it is rigged correctly and maybe to help show the unique features of the freedom rig under sail.
Brian
Check
the windows for leaks . . . the leaks sometimes are visible under the
bottom curtain track screws.
Other than that, make sure you like the
way the boat sails. If you’re used to grinding winches on a J22 or
J30, the lack of anything to do during tacks may leave you feeling a tad
useless. This is something I’ve overcome with age and is quite
welcome when cruising singlehanded or daysailing with the non-sailors (no
flying elbows or asking guests to move).
There are lots of useful tips on this
message board if you take the time to review the archives for F32 info.
Happy sailing,
Milo
island blues … ‘85 Hoyt
F32
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12:02 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
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Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Hire a surveyor and ask him/her to come
along!
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Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:20
PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt
Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.
I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures
of systems, etc.
Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Hi Kevin,
Congratulations and welcome to the group. I think you’ll find the
boat very user friendly and secure. You won’t need to reef until the winds
exceed to 20 kts, but you’ll find your level of comfort.
The boat is very easy to sail and is mostly powered by the big
main. You’ll see that the jib will serve to enhance the main’s power if
it’s set correctly. If you miss grinding winches, you’ve bought the wrong
boat. I don’t miss the grinding at all. The best thing to do is to use
the boat. The more you use it, the more you get used to the feel. And,
most of all, enjoy it. It’s safe, dry and simple. And, with hot and cold
running water, it provides the most civilized cruising you can do.
Good luck.
TW F32 #20 Anoush Koon
At 08:20 PM 8/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)
Do not do it yourself. Get a surveyor.His experience is vital in finding flaws and weaknesses .
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin P. Taylor
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Hi all,I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.–Kevin
Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
Ditto on the surveyor. Do go along but let the surveyor do his work. Feel free to ask him and the owner questions. You and the surveyor should insist on hauling the boat for inspection and a sea trial.
Don’t go with the surveyor suggested by the broker or owner. They will suggest one who is likely to help them make the sale not one who will uncover expensive problems that, without a proper survey, you will be left to deal with. This purchase is a lot of $$ and you need expert assistance.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome Weinraub
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 08/08/2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Do not do it yourself. Get a surveyor.His experience is vital in finding flaws and weaknesses .
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin P. Taylor
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Hi all,I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.–Kevin
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Brian:
I saw Cayenne moored in Annapolis Sunday and we swung by to wave, but no one was above deck. (My son insisted on showing his mother Ego Alley.)
Best,
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brain GuptilSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:32 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Kevin
I would try and find an experienced Freedom sailor to verify that it is rigged correctly and maybe to help show the unique features of the freedom rig under sail.
Brian
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Kevin, Survey may cost you 350 $ to 500 $. Surveyors work for you AND for the Ins. Co. No matter what, the insurer will demand a very recent and complete, out of the water, survey. So have it done before you purchase. Very difficult to find a knowledgeable surveyor. I have had 4 surveyors over the past years make serious errors that would have cost me thousands had I not had the ketch rig rechecked by one of the best professional riggers in Lauderdale. The shouds and turbuckles were fine. The " free " suveyor sent by Boat US insuror faulted most of the rigging. That was 5 years ago and boat has since sailled to Venezuella ! No problem, Mon. Another surveyor killed a purchase because the bottom had been " faired ", his words. The bottom had been heavily coated with Interprotect
epoxy ? On third vessel I wanted to buy the surveyor ( at one time President of their professional association ) killed a deal by sending the survey dirrectly to the Ins. co. killing the insurability of this custom world cruser. Later I found out that he had made a mistake in how the galvanic isolator was wired and mostly he had missed that the boat had 4 vents. He had quoted in BOLD lettering that one would be asphyxiated in this boat due to lack of ventillation! ? I still regret not puchasing this boat and having it re-surveyed. This same guy boasted that he ALWAYS found over 20 deficiencies on new vessels ! On my Freedom the surveyor missed that the $ 350 dollar battery charger was faulty and dissmissed, in error, the very smoky engine. I don’t know of a good one. Sorry ! Not even some of my acqaintances. Brokers have been known to recommend
the ones that do not break deals ! Perhaps only a proffetional YACHT DESIGNER in your area could recommend a competent surveyor. But even though I have had bad vibes and experiences from these guys you need a survey. They take pride in finding defficiencies for YOU also. The most costly deficiency could be the very possible and nebulous wetness of the core in hull and/or deck. Then you RENEGOTIATE the price. I HATE that game ! I have played it eight times more or less successfully. I am not enjoying this negativity. GOOD LUCK ! Andre. “William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…> wrote: Ditto on the surveyor. Do go along but let the surveyor do his work. Feel free to ask him and the owner questions. You and the surveyor should insist on hauling the boat for inspection and a sea trial. Don’t go with the surveyor suggested by the broker or owner. They will suggest one who is likely to help them make the sale not one who will uncover expensive problems that, without a proper survey, you will be left to deal with. This purchase is a
lot of $$ and you need expert assistance. Bill _________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerome Weinraub To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: 08/08/2006 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial Do
not do it yourself. Get a surveyor.His experience is vital in finding flaws and weaknesses . ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin P. Taylor To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial Hi all,I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers of J22/J30
rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.–Kevin
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Posted by Jacqui MacConnell (jacimacc@…>)
Kevin!
Welcome. I went to Juneau, AK once, and was raced on
my first ever
Freedom, also a 32, by its very knowledgeable owner:
Chris Stockard:
Legacy. It is very important you try, and enjoy, a
ride.
Many years later I was the fortunate purchaser of
Brian Guptil’s
F36/38. There were a lot of people who wanted to buy
it. I told my broker I wanted to waive survey, and to
waive sea trial. To help Brian and myself get on with
the closing. And to stand out from the pressing flock
of the other would be buyers.
Reading all those survey gone wrong stories, you can
see why. We did have a survey, there were only very
minor things found, and Brian had them attended
quickly. But I had no plan sailing her, as I’d already
been under sail on one, and loved the rig. I just
trusted this one would be as good or better. So, I
waived it.
There are some great surveyors. At least, this one:
his name is Jerry Edwards, and he used to be the
Seattle distributor for Freedom, when they had
dealers. He is with Reisner, McKuen, Edwards in
Seattle. I will
put the link below, if yahoo lets links show.
Otherwise, just look him
up in the Seattle online DEX pages.
I wish he’d just become the U.S. roving Freedom
surveyor. But who knows, maybe he and his family have
a trip planned out your way soon. At any rate, call
him.
After the good survey was finished, three years ago,
Jerry looked out west, saw sun and wind, looked at me,
the selliing broker, and my broker, and said “Looks
nice out there, want to go out?”
It took us all a minute to get what he was saying
before we said “sure!”
in unison. Next followed a memorable hour under sunny
skies and adequate gentle winds. Where Jerry showed us
what Freedoms are suposed to be able to do. Wow!
This no sea trial, the boat didn’t need that. She’s
great. This was a
sales and design demonstration. So compelling that I
never got a turn on the wheel. Neither of the brokers
had ever before been under sail on a Freedom. Hard to
get ahead of them. And Jerry. Having fun.
Particularly amazing was the under full sail, hands
off the wheel,
man overboard piroutte. Jerry locked the wheel, and
Sparrow merrily
just kept cutting perfect circles on her own, tending
her sails nicely.
Like some obedient and beautiful circus pony.
The brokers’ jaws dropped, and their mouths stayed
open. Seriously!
I would have been happy even if we hadn’t sailed her,
but what great good fortune to have Mr. Jerry Edwards
sell us all the boat.
Now THAT’S a Freedom surveyor.
At a minimum, bet you could phone him and ask him who
might
be a good surveyor out your way.
Best wishes.
These are truly phenomenal boats.
Jacqui MacConnell
F36/38 Hull No. 48
SPARROW
Bellingham Bay, WA State
Jerry Edwards
Email: jerryedwards2@…
Toll Free: (800) 994-2628
Mr. Edwards is a Certified Marine Surveyor (CMS) with
the National Association of Marine Surveyors (NAMS).
He has been working in the boating industry in 1979,
outfitting new and used vessels for use in the
Northwest and offshore. His previous work as both a
rigger and a yacht broker and consultant with three of
the Northwest’s
premier brokerages gives him a unique perspective on
the entire buying process, as well as most facets of
boat ownership. In addition, Mr. Edwards brings to
his work a background as an FAA licensed Airframe and
Powerplant mechanic, and mechanical skills honed as an
amateur sports car racer. Finally, Mr. Edwards holds
a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of
California.
Mr. Edwards has been surveying in the Northwest since
1992, and is well known throughout the Puget Sound
region for providing our full range of professional
services relative to Condition and Valuation surveys,
Mechanical surveyors, New Boat Construction
consultation, and Damage evaluations. During this
time he has surveyed thousands of yachts from 20’ to
150’ in length. In addition, Mr. Edwards represents
the interests of several marine insurance underwriters
relative to damage and/or loss, field investigations,
and supervision of repair work.
Mr. Edwards currently represents Reisner, McEwen &
Associates in the South Sound, and on both the Kitsap
and Olympic Peninsulas.
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Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin P. Taylor”
<kevin@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This
will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few
summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and
broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do,
watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take
pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
If it’s not there, pester everyone you can find about whether the
Gunmount spinnaker stuff is still available. Not all 32’s had a
chute but when my 32 was at the broker’s dock (I ended up not
selling it, BTW) he told me to take it all off, a spinnaker would
scare away customers. Also, many owners never get to know how to use
this fabulous sail and they (completely wrongly, IMHO) take the
equipment for it off the boat themselves.
If it’s all just sitting around in someone’s garage be sure to get
it. It’s a great system.
Rick
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Personally while I have found surveyors
useful I agree one needs to be very careful. I have had problems on both sides
(buying and selling).
When I sold my last boat the highly
credentialed surveyor for the buyer insisted my auxiliary fuel tank wasn;t to
code and had to be removed. I tried to convince the buyer he was wrong but to
no avail. I removed it. Just afterwards they called to say sorry he was wrong
please leave it but it was too late.
When I bought my F-33 the surveyor claimed:
the
yanmar freshwater cooling was improperly installed and the engine had
overheated (note this after several decades of use and still running well
then as well as now and subsequent engine oil analyses show no issues).
some
of the plumbing and all of the wiring was not “to code”.
the
sail covers and dodger were missing
and
some other stuff
I was delayed in getting insurance due to
these items.
As it turned out:
I
paid the yard mechanic who examined many parts of the engine and said it
looked great and he saw no problem.
He
also checked the wiring which was all tinned and properly grounded etc. (he
said the surveyor may have gotten confused as some of the color coding is
not consistent with current standards).
The
plumbing in one place needed minor work
The
seller (2nd owner) indicated the yanmar engine was installed as
is at the factory. Apparently back then it came in the normal seawater
cooled model and the builder could add a freshwater retrofit. I called
Freedom and they confirmed it.
The
sailcovers and dodger were onboard in the main cabin in plain site (the
masts were out and the boat was hauled).
The one item I really relied on the
surveyor for was checking for any balsa core rot in the hull or deck. He said
that aspect was great. So far I have only found one small deck area around a
stanchion which of course I repaired.
One mistake I made was I could not attend
the survey as the surveyor could only do it on a day I was unavailable and
there was another offer being made on the boat so I was in a hurry.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982
From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of andre laviolette
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
11:33 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Kevin,
\
Survey may cost you 350 $ to 500 $. Surveyors work
for you AND for the Ins. Co. No matter what, the
insurer will demand a very recent and complete, out of the water, survey.
\
So have it done before you purchase.
\
Very difficult to find a knowledgeable surveyor. I have had 4
surveyors over the past years make serious errors that would have cost me
thousands had I not had the ketch rig rechecked by one of the best
professional riggers in Lauderdale. The shouds and turbuckles were fine.
The " free " suveyor sent by Boat US insuror faulted most of
the rigging. That was 5 years ago and boat has since sailled to Venezuella
! No problem, Mon.
Another surveyor killed a purchase because the bottom had been "
faired ", his words. The bottom had been heavily coated with Interprotect
epoxy ?
On third vessel I wanted to buy the surveyor ( at one time
President of their professional association )
killed a deal by sending the survey dirrectly to the Ins. co. killing
the insurability of this custom world cruser. Later I found out that he
had made a mistake in how the galvanic isolator was wired and mostly he
had missed that the boat had 4 vents. He had quoted in BOLD lettering that one
would be asphyxiated in this boat due to lack of ventillation! ? I still
regret not puchasing this boat and having it re-surveyed. This same guy boasted
that he ALWAYS found over 20 deficiencies on new vessels !
On my Freedom the surveyor missed that the $ 350 dollar battery charger
was faulty and dissmissed, in error, the very smoky engine.
\
I don’t know of a good one. Sorry ! Not even some of my
acqaintances. Brokers have been known to recommend the ones
that do not break deals ! Perhaps only a proffetional YACHT
DESIGNER in your area could recommend a competent surveyor.
\
But even though I have had bad vibes and experiences from these guys
you need a survey.
They take pride in finding defficiencies for YOU also.
\
The most costly deficiency could be the very possible and nebulous
wetness of the core in hull and/or deck.
\
Then you RENEGOTIATE the price. I HATE that game
! I have played it eight times more or less
successfully.
\
I am not enjoying this negativity.
\
GOOD LUCK !
\
Andre.
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“William A.
Cormack” <wacormack@wallc.net> wrote:
Ditto on the surveyor. Do go along but let the
surveyor do his work. Feel free to ask him and the owner questions.
You and the surveyor should insist on hauling the boat for inspection and a sea
trial.
\
Don’t go with the surveyor suggested by the broker or
owner. They will suggest one who is likely to help them make the sale not
one who will uncover expensive problems that, without a proper survey, you will
be left to deal with. This purchase is a lot of $$ and you need expert
assistance.
\
Bill
\
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From: Jerome Weinraub
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 08/08/2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
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Do not do it yourself. Get a surveyor.His experience is
vital in finding flaws and weaknesses .
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin P.
Taylor
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 07,
2006 9:20 PM
Subject:
[freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
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Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.
I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures
of systems, etc.
Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Kevin P. Taylor (kevin@…>)
Thanks for all your suggestions. I do have a marine survey scheduled
the day after the sea trials. I am using a surveyor who was
recommended from this list.
I’ll let you know how it goes. I am very interested to see how it
sails. The J22/J30’s are exciting to sail when a crew is available,
but I want a boat that is stable and safe for cruising Lake Michigan
with my young kids and wife (and single-handing).
Best,
–Kevin
On Aug 7, 2006, at 8:20 PM, Kevin P. Taylor wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
Kevin:
Good that you are having the survey but the surveyor should be with you on the sea trial too. If that is not possible follow the prior posts about movement in the rig. Also, while you would not do this while cruising, you should push the engine to full throttle for maybe 15 minutes to watch for overheating, excessive smoke or other problems. You may find yourself in a position where full power is necessary some day. After you return check the oil and coolant levels for problems too.
Good luck
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin P. Taylor
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 08/09/2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Thanks for all your suggestions. I do have a marine survey scheduled the day after the sea trials. I am using a surveyor who was recommended from this list.I’ll let you know how it goes. I am very interested to see how it sails. The J22/J30’s are exciting to sail when a crew is available, but I want a boat that is stable and safe for cruising Lake Michigan with my young kids and wife (and single-handing).Best,–KevinOn Aug 7, 2006, at 8:20 PM, Kevin P. Taylor wrote:> Hi all,>> I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will> be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers> of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.>> I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I> was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch> out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures> of systems, etc.>> Any advice would be appreciated.>> --Kevin>>
Posted by Larry Strouse (captainl@…>)
Kevin;
I am a Marine Surveyor in Mandeville ,Louisiana. I have been a Surveyor for thirty years and have inspected many boats for owners and insurance companies.
I always request that the prospective purchaser or owner be present. First of all to point out any deficiencies that I may find and secondly to answer any questions pertaining to the survey. Also upon my inspection there may be many recommendations or there may be few but the deficiencies and recommendations need to be brought to the prospective purchasers and owners attention as both may have a vested interest in the vessel.
One of the most common deficiencies is osmotic blistering. If I find osmotic blistering I bring it to the attention of the owner and purchaser. I also try to educate both on the seriousness of the blisters or on the other hand the not so serious effect of certain types of blisters. If the purchaser is set on buying the boat with blisters I inform them of the proper repair sequence and if the blisters are minimal I might suggest that the purchaser keep an eye on them by an annual haulout. I will also suggest to a purchaser that he may want to negotiate a lower price to compensate for the possible repair cost he will encounter.
There are many Surveyors who have little experience and have just hung a shingle out to make money. They do not care about establishing a well founded reputation and some provide a two page report that is not suitable to anyone who must pay for a survey. The most revered organization for Surveyors is NAMS (National Association of Marine Surveyors). There is also SAMS(Society of Associated Marine Surveyors), Nams has a much more stringent qualification for certifying Surveyors than NAMS. But poor quality Surveyors can be found in both organizations. There are other named organizations certifying Surveyors but they have no credibility.
Interview the Surveyor prior to hiring so that you get a feel if the Surveyor knows what he is talking about and if He appears to know what he is doing. Remember most Surveyors that are worth their fees look at a lot of vessels and may not be able verbally to pinpoint problem points on each and every vessel. They should be competent and ask questions of knowledgeable persons if a problem occurs on a boat they are inspecting where they have not encountered a particular problem. The Surveyor is working for you and if you choose a Surveyor the owner or Broker recommends then “Caveat Emptor” “Let the Buyer Beware”.
There are situations where a recommendation by a broker may be suitable. The most prominent situation is where you intend to insure by Boat US and the broker knows which Surveyor is approved by Boat US.
Hope this assists you in dealing with the Surveyor you have selected.
Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin P. TaylorSent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:16 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt Freedom 32 Sea Trial
Thanks for all your suggestions. I do have a marine survey scheduled the day after the sea trials. I am using a surveyor who was recommended from this list.I’ll let you know how it goes. I am very interested to see how it sails. The J22/J30’s are exciting to sail when a crew is available, but I want a boat that is stable and safe for cruising Lake Michigan with my young kids and wife (and single-handing).Best,–KevinOn Aug 7, 2006, at 8:20 PM, Kevin P. Taylor wrote:> Hi all,>> I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This will> be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few summers> of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.>> I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and broker. I> was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do, watch> out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take pictures> of systems, etc.>> Any advice would be appreciated.>> --Kevin>>
Posted by Ed Grey (ewlon3@…>)
where are you located? where is the boat?
— “Kevin P. Taylor” <kevin@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt
Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with
just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the
owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I
should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera
to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Kevin P. Taylor (kevin@…>)
Hi Ed,
I live in Illinois but this boat is currently in Michigan.
–Kevin
On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Ed Grey wrote:
where are you located? where is the boat?
— “Kevin P. Taylor” <kevin@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt
Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with
just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the
owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I
should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera
to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Folia Grace (fgrace2000@…>)
Kevin,
As all have stated, a good surveyor is most important. Since
freedoms are cored hulls, have him tap every inch of the hull for
water intrusion. Also look for any non-factory holes that might have
been drilled in the CF mast by other owners. I do not know why
people do this, but they do.
Best of luck, you will really enjoy the boat.
Regards,
F
.com, “Kevin P. Taylor” <kevin@…> wrote:
Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt Freedom 32. This
will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced with just a few
summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with the owner and
broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in particular I should do,
watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital camera to take
pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
Posted by Ed Grey (ewlon3@…>)
If you had been in the NE, I had a suggestion. In any
case, email Mark Edwards <markedwards55@…> and
ask if he has a suggestion for your part of the
country. For more than 20 years, Mark managed
customer service for Freedom, then was their primary
sales person with the factory. He knows as much about
these boats as anyone alive, and he’s a really good
guy. Doesn’t have the time to respond to us as he
once did, but maybe can help in this case.
— “Kevin P. Taylor” <kevin@…> wrote:
Hi Ed,
I live in Illinois but this boat is currently in
Michigan.–Kevin
On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Ed Grey wrote:
where are you located? where is the boat?
— “Kevin P. Taylor” <kevin@…>
wrote:Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt
Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced
with
just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with
the
owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in
particular I
should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital
camera
to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
This is a good idea. But wait until next week, late. Mark is at the Maine
Boats and Harbors show in Rockland Maine and won’t be back in RI till
Wednesday. He is showing the True North 33 (he works for Pearson Yachts
now) that he delivered up there and will be bringing back on Monday. Mark
is a great guy will has always been helpful to me.
TW
At 10:25 AM 8/11/2006 -0700, you wrote:
If you had been in the NE, I had a suggestion. In any
case, email Mark Edwards
<mailto:markedwards55%40yahoo.commarkedwards55@…> and
ask if he has a suggestion for your part of the
country. For more than 20 years, Mark managed
customer service for Freedom, then was their primary
sales person with the factory. He knows as much about
these boats as anyone alive, and he’s a really good
guy. Doesn’t have the time to respond to us as he
once did, but maybe can help in this case.— “Kevin P. Taylor”
<mailto:kevin%40kevinptaylor.comkevin@…> wrote:Hi Ed,
I live in Illinois but this boat is currently in
Michigan.–Kevin
On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Ed Grey wrote:
where are you located? where is the boat?
— “Kevin P. Taylor”
<mailto:kevin%40kevinptaylor.comkevin@…>
wrote:Hi all,
I just entered into a contract on a 1985 Hoyt
Freedom 32. This will
be my first boat and I am very inexperienced
with
just a few summers
of J22/J30 rentals under my belt.I have the sea trial coming up on Sunday with
the
owner and broker. I
was wondering if there was anything in
particular I
should do, watch
out for, ask, etc. I plan to bring a digital
camera
to take pictures
of systems, etc.Any advice would be appreciated.
–Kevin
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