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Posted by pwhitmac (pwhitmac@…>)

I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.

I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some damage
to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we
found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar,
and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place.
Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found that
when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard
against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always
been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat
displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the
problem.

the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her in
02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right.
My question is, what is the factory “default” position of the mast?
Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16"
all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness
of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is
supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed
from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope
not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.

Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their mast
properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution to
a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.

'preciate any input.
PWM

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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
I’ve never owned a Hoyt 32, but I have owned three freedoms. My experience is that the mast is automatically positioned when the neoprene collar is put into place - which is installed from the top of the deck.
From your message it sounds as if the neoprene is out of shape and may need to be replaced - or - Do you know who built your replacement mast and if it was built to original specs? If there is even a slight size difference this may require a creative solution as a replacement collar will not fit.

Jeffpwhitmac <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some damage to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar, and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place. Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found that when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the problem.the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her in 02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right. My question is, what is the factory
“default” position of the mast? Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16" all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their mast properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution to a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.'preciate any input.PWM
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Posted by Kevin Ogden (kcogden@…>)

There are usually two rubber "chocks"that wrap around the mast, an inner and outer one. The mast should be securely centered in the coachroof aperature, not hard aft as you mentioned. The mast should be supported by the lifting crane, or whatever is being used to position the mast, until the chocks have been securely pounded into place. Don’t know if Spartite has sufficient density to provide the compression resistance that the original chocks had. Possibly but don’t know on that one.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Chale
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt32 mast

I’ve never owned a Hoyt 32, but I have owned three freedoms. My experience is that the mast is automatically positioned when the neoprene collar is put into place - which is installed from the top of the deck.
From your message it sounds as if the neoprene is out of shape and may need to be replaced - or - Do you know who built your replacement mast and if it was built to original specs? If there is even a slight size difference this may require a creative solution as a replacement collar will not fit.

Jeffpwhitmac <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some damage to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar, and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place. Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found that when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the problem.the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her in 02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right. My question is, what is the factory “default” position of the mast? Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16" all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their mast properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution to a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.'preciate any input.PWM


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Posted by Ketch 22 (ketch_22@…>)

On Ketch 22, an F39, I’ve had Spartite collars on main and mizzen for about 5
years now. It works great.

tm

-----Original Message-----
From: pwhitmac <pwhitmac@…>
Sent: Jan 29, 2005 8:14 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Hoyt32 mast

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I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.

I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some damage
to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we
found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar,
and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place.
Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found that
when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard
against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I've always
been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat
displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the
problem.

the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her in
02) and I'm not certain that the people that did it, did it right.
My question is, what is the factory "default" position of the mast?
Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16"
all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness
of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is
supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed
from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope
not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.

Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their mast
properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution to
a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.

'preciate any input.
PWM



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Posted by Robert Brown (bob.brown@…>)

On my Hoyt 32 the space around the mast at the top of the deck opening
is more like about an inch or an inch and a half in thickness. I don’t
believe that there is any aluminum collar. The deck opening is beveled
so that the top is wider than the bottom. Two molded rubber inserts are
used to wedge the mast tight into this opening. The inside one is maybe
3/8ths of an inch thick and two and a half to three inches high. The
outer one is tapered to match the taper in the deck opening and is
probably about an inch to an inch and a quarter wide at the top,
narrower at the bottom. Because these inserts are nearly as long as the
circumference of the opening there is no way the mast could be in any
position other than centered in the opening. Because of the taper in
the opening and the insert the outer insert can only be installed from
topside.

RSB

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:14:23 -0000
From: “pwhitmac” <pwhitmac@…>
Subject: Hoyt32 mast

I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.

I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some damage
to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we
found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar,
and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place.
Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found that
when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard
against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always
been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat
displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the
problem.

the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her in
02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right.
My question is, what is the factory “default” position of the mast?
Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16"
all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness
of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is
supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed
from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope
not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.

Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their mast
properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution to
a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.

'preciate any input.
PWM

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Posted by CMarshall (cmars@…>)

My Hoyt32 has a spartite collar that is working very well.
The mast should be centered and not allowed to touch the metal
outer collar ring. My understanding is that Freedom uses/used
Spartite now and the original material is no longer available.
The original stuff had to be pushed/pulled out a little at
a time.
The fact that the mast and chocks/collar is different seems
to be a problem with many yards doing work on the boat.
Prior to this I had a Hoyt29 (small 32 or stretched 25). The
yard pulled it without removing the original collar and then
discarded the collar. They then chocked it with pieces of rubber.
By midseason these had worked loose and the mast could move
around a bit. There is a story on the net from a delivery
crew member of a F35 complaining about this. I assume the
mast was incorrectly pulled and installed by a yard. The
masts also need to be secured by a bracket at the base to
prevent rotation. Also my F29 mast was on top of its wires
and had been that way for many years. That was why I had the
mast pulled.

Anyway, I recommend you find a yard that knows how to center
the mast, use spartite, attach the bottom, and make sure
the wires are free. Spartite isn’t uv okay, so fill the top
of the collar with something-say white silicon. While at
it there also needs to be a weep hole at the base.

Charles





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “pwhitmac” <pwhitmac@y…>
wrote:

I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.

I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some
damage
to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we
found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar,
and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place.
Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found
that
when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard
against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always
been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat
displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the
problem.

the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her
in
02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right.
My question is, what is the factory “default” position of the mast?
Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16"
all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness
of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is
supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed
from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope
not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.

Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their
mast
properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution
to
a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.

'preciate any input.
PWM

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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

I replaced the mast chocks on my F33 with polyurethane wedges. I cut the
wedges from poly bar on a bandsaw. The poly was 70 or 80 hardness. Do not
use wood(not elastic enough).I didn’t use spartite as I was afraid of gluing
the masts in place. I snug the chocks in with cedar construction wedges
between the partners and the poly. No movement in 3 years… Poly bar is
available on the net. Comes out easier than the original circular
,continuous one piece wedge.
----- Original Message -----
From: “CMarshall” <cmars@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Hoyt32 mast

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My Hoyt32 has a spartite collar that is working very well.
The mast should be centered and not allowed to touch the metal
outer collar ring. My understanding is that Freedom uses/used
Spartite now and the original material is no longer available.
The original stuff had to be pushed/pulled out a little at
a time.
The fact that the mast and chocks/collar is different seems
to be a problem with many yards doing work on the boat.
Prior to this I had a Hoyt29 (small 32 or stretched 25). The
yard pulled it without removing the original collar and then
discarded the collar. They then chocked it with pieces of rubber.
By midseason these had worked loose and the mast could move
around a bit. There is a story on the net from a delivery
crew member of a F35 complaining about this. I assume the
mast was incorrectly pulled and installed by a yard. The
masts also need to be secured by a bracket at the base to
prevent rotation. Also my F29 mast was on top of its wires
and had been that way for many years. That was why I had the
mast pulled.

Anyway, I recommend you find a yard that knows how to center
the mast, use spartite, attach the bottom, and make sure
the wires are free. Spartite isn’t uv okay, so fill the top
of the collar with something-say white silicon. While at
it there also needs to be a weep hole at the base.

Charles

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “pwhitmac” <pwhitmac@y…>
wrote:

I need some input from past/present Hoyt32 owners.

I just went through a mast removal/stepping cycle due to some
damage
to the masthead gear (another story). Before removing the mast we
found it to be impossible to remove the Neoprene(?) inside collar,
and finally had to pull the mast out with the collar in place.
Happily, that worked fine. When we re-stepped the mast, I found
that
when I put the neoprene in place, it jammed the mast aft, hard
against the cabin-top mounted aluminum mast collar. Now I’ve always
been a bit put off by the fairly strong weather helm that my boat
displayed, and this slight aft rake would pretty much explain the
problem.

the mast on my boat (1984) was replaced in 1992, (I purchased her
in
02) and I’m not certain that the people that did it, did it right.
My question is, what is the factory “default” position of the mast?
Is it supposed to be centered in the cabin-top collar (approx 3/16"
all around)? If so, how can this be accomplished when the thickness
of the inside neoprene collar does not match the space it is
supposed to fill? Is the neoprene collar supposed to be installed
from the inside, or the outside, under the deck collar (I hope
not!). Any input on this would really be appreciated.

Another thing, has anybody ever used Spartite to position their
mast
properly in the colllar? It seems like a very desireable solution
to
a system that, as I understand it, seems to beg for improvement.

'preciate any input.
PWM

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