Installing Raymarine Smart Pilot S1 or S2 in Freedom 38

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Posted by gjirak (gjirak@…>)

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Paul Dennis…aka " The Freedom Expert"…has done a number of these. You might hire him as a consulting designer for the project. He glasses a custom made bracket to the transom as I remember to attached the “other end” of the linerar drive unit.Fargogjirak <gjirak@…> wrote: I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and did you
need to glass the attachment site to provide additional strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15 inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding quality installers? Thanks for your help, George Jirak Deja Vu

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Here’s the deal: the longer tiller arm requires less power but a
longer
throw. The shorter tiler arm is just the reverse. With approx. 60
degrees of swing, lock to lock, you need to look at the throw on the
actuator and the space behind the rudder post. I installed a
Simrad/Robertson hydraulic actuator 10,000 in/lbs on my 36 with the
Edson 10" arm. A layout diagram helps with the calculations.

I also glassed in a 3/4 in. plywoood backing plate to reinforce the
transom to support the ram. I’ve got pictures if you are interested.

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would
you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation
and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired
to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The
boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

you will probably need heavier wiring then you could use for the
wheelpilot.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “gjirak” <gjirak@…>
wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would
you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation
and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or
15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it
wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The
boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by Brain Guptil (sailordude@…>)

George

Some years back I installed an “Autohelm” ST7000, with linear drive on a F36. Also about 4 years ago, I installed a ST7001, hydraulic on a Freedom 44. I am not a marine electronics pro but both systems I have installed, as far as I know, haven’t had structural or instillation related problems. The auto calibrate feature is worth the money and the rate gyro is helpful in rougher conditions, but can be a little annoying in calm water when the boat rocks due to powerboat wake, a problem on the Chesapeake.

On the 36, with a radial drive, I installed the linear drive on the Stbd side, fabricating and installing using a fiberglass mount on the transom. On the radial disk aft I fabricated a mount for the hinge pin, using a short section of 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 aluminum rectangular tubing. I thought it’s important to make sure the the rudder stops on the radial disk prevent over-rotation rather then have the stops on the linear derive provide that function. The linear drive range will determine the radius location of the hinge pin.

Brian in Baltimore, sailordude@…

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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo RousseauSent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:03 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Installing Raymarine Smart Pilot S1 or S2 in Freedom 38

Paul Dennis…aka " The Freedom Expert"…has done a number of these. You might hire him as a consulting designer for the project. He glasses a custom made bracket to the transom as I remember to attached the “other end” of the linerar drive unit.Fargogjirak <gjirak@swave.net> wrote:


I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and waswondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would youuse? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation anddid you need to glass the attachment site to provide additionalstrength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired towhere my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boatis located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regardingquality installers?Thanks for your help,George JirakDeja Vu

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

My below deck pilot has a 5 amp draw on a 20 amp breaker. The run on
the 36 is approx 20’ from the elec. panel to the pilot motor for a 40’
round trip. I used #10 wire just to be on the safe side.— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “gjirak” <gjirak@…> wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
In choosing an autopilot the time it takes for the ram to go from lock to lock is equaly important, as a slower pilot or a pilot with less power using a longer arm will slow the response time it takes to get your vessel back on course. This info is available in most owners’ manuals.macks011 <macks04@…> wrote: Here’s the deal: the longer tiller arm requires less power but a longer throw. The shorter tiler arm is just the reverse. With approx. 60 degrees of swing, lock to lock, you
need to look at the throw on the actuator and the space behind the rudder post. I installed a Simrad/Robertson hydraulic actuator 10,000 in/lbs on my 36 with the Edson 10" arm. A layout diagram helps with the calculations.I also glassed in a 3/4 in. plywoood backing plate to reinforce the transom to support the ram. I’ve got pictures if you are interested.>> I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was> wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you> use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and> did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional> strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15> inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to> where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat> is located in the Annapolis area, any
recommendations regarding> quality installers?> > Thanks for your help,> > George Jirak> Deja Vu>
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Posted by Frank Pappalardo (frank.pappalardo@…>)
What kind of attitude is that?

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On 1/25/07, Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…> wrote:





Paul Dennis…aka " The Freedom Expert"…has done a number of these. You might hire him as a consulting designer for the project. He glasses a custom made bracket to the transom as I remember to attached the “other end” of the linerar drive unit.
Fargogjirak <gjirak@…> wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and waswondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would youuse? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation anddid you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired towhere my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boatis located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?Thanks for your help,George JirakDeja Vu

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Posted by Nhat Khong (nhatkhong1@…>)

George,

I recently had the S1G auto pilot installed on my 87 Freedom 36. I
used a local contractor here at Marina del Rey, CA. He created two
marine ply wood. One piece connects from the propane bin to the
cockpit wall with bolts and nuts and the other pieced connected to the
propane bin and glassed to the port side of the boat. The linear
drive was mounted on the first piece of plywood. It seems very sturdy
and has worked well so far. But I had only just installed it at the
beginning of this year. If you would like I can take some photos for you.

-Nhat
nkhong@…

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “gjirak” <gjirak@…> wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by gjirak (gjirak@…>)

Great information. I really appreciate all the responses and advice.
This allows me to plan ahead and hopefully avoid any problems.

Thanks again,

George Jirak

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:

you will probably need heavier wiring then you could use for the
wheelpilot.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “gjirak” <gjirak@>
wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would
you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation
and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or
15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it
wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The
boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu

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Posted by Jacqui MacConnell (jacimacc@…>)

Nope. No structural nor installation problems. And
what a honey of an additional, always willing, needs
no extra brew or pizza, crewmember.
The only problem we’ve had is when we put the nice
Raymarine C120 GPS below. Techs said it should talk to
the autopilot. Maybe it was semantics that went wrong?
There was some squabbling for a while.

This cruising season, we are going to try plotting way
points the night before, hoisting the sails in the
morning, and see if push-button sailing really IS
possible… Only on a Freedom, huh, gang?

Thanks again, Brian. I love this boat.
Thank you also for the lovely historic picture of her
you sent at holidays.

Jacqui Mac
Bellingham
Left Coast version


— Brain Guptil <sailordude@…> wrote:

George

Some years back I installed an “Autohelm” ST7000,
with linear drive on a
F36. Also about 4 years ago, I installed a ST7001,
hydraulic on a Freedom
44. I am not a marine electronics pro but both
systems I have installed, as
far as I know, haven’t had structural or
instillation related problems. The
auto calibrate feature is worth the money and the
rate gyro is helpful in
rougher conditions, but can be a little annoying in
calm water when the boat
rocks due to powerboat wake, a problem on the
Chesapeake.

On the 36, with a radial drive, I installed the
linear drive on the Stbd
side, fabricating and installing using a fiberglass
mount on the transom.
On the radial disk aft I fabricated a mount for the
hinge pin, using a short
section of 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 aluminum rectangular
tubing. I thought it’s
important to make sure the the rudder stops on the
radial disk prevent
over-rotation rather then have the stops on the
linear derive provide that
function. The linear drive range will determine the
radius location of the
hinge pin.

Brian in Baltimore, sailordude@…

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:03 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Installing
Raymarine Smart Pilot S1 or S2
in Freedom 38

Paul Dennis…aka " The Freedom Expert"…has done a
number of these. You
might hire him as a consulting designer for the
project. He glasses a
custom made bracket to the transom as I remember to
attached the “other end”
of the linerar drive unit.

Fargo

gjirak <gjirak@…> wrote:

I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my
Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear
drive unit would you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive
installation and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide
additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you
use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already
have it wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same
wiring? The boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any
recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu





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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

Brian,
Take a look at your “From” data. It says Brain Guptil. Herm

At 10:17 AM 1/26/2007, you wrote:

George

Some years back I installed an “Autohelm” ST7000, with linear drive
on a F36. Also about 4 years ago, I installed a ST7001, hydraulic
on a Freedom 44. I am not a marine electronics pro but both systems
I have installed, as far as I know, haven’t had structural or
instillation related problems. The auto calibrate feature is worth
the money and the rate gyro is helpful in rougher conditions, but
can be a little annoying in calm water when the boat rocks due to
powerboat wake, a problem on the Chesapeake.

On the 36, with a radial drive, I installed the linear drive on the
Stbd side, fabricating and installing using a fiberglass mount on
the transom. On the radial disk aft I fabricated a mount for the
hinge pin, using a short section of 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 aluminum
rectangular tubing. I thought it’s important to make sure the the
rudder stops on the radial disk prevent over-rotation rather then
have the stops on the linear derive provide that function. The
linear drive range will determine the radius location of the hinge pin.

Brian in Baltimore, mailto:sailordude@...sailordude@…

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo Rousseau
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:03 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Installing Raymarine Smart Pilot S1
or S2 in Freedom 38

Paul Dennis…aka " The Freedom Expert"…has done a number of
these. You might hire him as a consulting designer for the
project. He glasses a custom made bracket to the transom as I
remember to attached the “other end” of the linerar drive unit.

Fargo

gjirak <gjirak@…> wrote:
I plan to install a Raymarine Smart Pilot in my Freedom 38 and was
wondering if anyone has done this. Which linear drive unit would you
use? 20,000 vs. 24000 lb. How was the linear drive installation and
did you need to glass the attachment site to provide additional
strength? Edson has autopilot tiller arms, did you use the 10 or 15
inch arm or did it need to be custom made? I already have it wired to
where my Wheelpilot is attached. Can I use the same wiring? The boat
is located in the Annapolis area, any recommendations regarding
quality installers?

Thanks for your help,

George Jirak
Deja Vu