Posted by Dan (boutier2002@…>)
I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel.
Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly
appriciated. Dan
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. DanIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Posted by dan wisor (boutier2002@…>)
Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. Dan
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Posted by dan wisor (boutier2002@…>)
Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. Dan
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
KEEL CUT
Mars metal make fin shaped winglets to bolt through a cut off keel. Adds about 500 pounds. Not cheap !
Andre, " Scaramanga "“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
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-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. Dan
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
KEEL MODIFICATION ?
See : marsmetal.com They explain it all. Leaders in the field.
1 ( 800 ) 381-KEEL
Andre, ’ Scaramanga ".
dan wisor <boutier2002@…> wrote:
Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. Dan
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Dan:
Here’s a link to the article I mentioned.
http://www.closereach.com/csoa/cs30refit.html
Al
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of andre lavioletteSent: Monday, July 11, 2005 3:06 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32
KEEL MODIFICATION ?
See : marsmetal.com They explain it all. Leaders in the field.
1 ( 800 ) 381-KEEL
Andre, ’ Scaramanga ".
dan wisor <boutier2002@…> wrote:
Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.
AL Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DanSent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing keel. Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly appriciated. Dan
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Aside from cutting off part of the keel you may also chop the resale
value in half. If you plan to keep the boat long term it might be
worth it I suppose.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, dan wisor
<boutier2002@y…> wrote:
Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:
I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years
back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?)
about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some
portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast
and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be
worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you
need to add to maintain righting moment, etc.AL Lorman
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Keel modification on Freedom 32I,m considering a keel modification full keel 5’6" to 4ft wing
keel.
Anyone have any information on this? Your help would be greatly
appriciated. Dan
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Shoal draught
Since 1975, I have been cruising on and off 5 months of the year in Florida and mostly in the Bahamas. I would not cruise in these waters in a boat with more than 5 foot draught. Not that you could’nt as I have, ( in limited places ) with 6 foot 6 in. I would pay EXTRA for a shoal draught F 32. Boats with more than 5 feet of depth are a hard sell in the south.
When there are 60 boats in an anchorage suitable for less than half that many , the only remaining spots are in shallow water.
Andre , " Scaramanga " 4’ 6"Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
Aside from cutting off part of the keel you may also chop the resale value in half. If you plan to keep the boat long term it might be worth it I suppose. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, dan wisor <boutier2002@y…> wrote:> Thanks Al I,m trying to contact adesigner now. Dan> > > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:> I don’t know anything about about modifying a F32, but a few years back I read an article (I’m not sure where; Cruising World; Sail?) about the owner of a C&C who did what you’re proposing. He cut some portion of the keel off (with a chain saw!), had two lead wings cast and bolted and epoxied them to the keel, then faired, etc. Might be worth having a marine engineer/architect examine how much lead you need to add to maintain righting moment,
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