Mull F28 Camberspar Not Clearing Mast When tacking

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Posted by lioneldmp7 (doug.payne@…>)

My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the mast when tacking. It will
cross in all but less than a couple knots of wind, but the hardware
on the back of the camberspar hits the
mast, scratches it, etc. I have heard chatter that it may mean the
forestay is too tight, I loosened that to no avail. There appears to
be no adjustment to lengthen or shorten it on the front of the
camberspar where it attaches to the forestay. On the rear there is a
pin where it could be adjusted, but it currently is adjusted as short
as it goes. I have hull number two and there wasn’t a hull number
one, so later production may have been corrected. I could drill the
rivet that rivets the stainless tube in the end of the spar and
rerivet after sliping the stainless tube further into the spar, but I
hesitate to do that if I am missing something else that is easy. Any
ideas?

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Doug:

I posted the CamberSpar directions I got from Beirig on the files part of this
group. Have you had a look there? There are directions, although not specific
to Freedoms.

Al

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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Mull F28 Camberspar Not Clearing Mast When tacking



My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the mast when tacking. It will
cross in all but less than a couple knots of wind, but the hardware
on the back of the camberspar hits the
mast, scratches it, etc. I have heard chatter that it may mean the
forestay is too tight, I loosened that to no avail. There appears to
be no adjustment to lengthen or shorten it on the front of the
camberspar where it attaches to the forestay. On the rear there is a
pin where it could be adjusted, but it currently is adjusted as short
as it goes. I have hull number two and there wasn’t a hull number
one, so later production may have been corrected. I could drill the
rivet that rivets the stainless tube in the end of the spar and
rerivet after sliping the stainless tube further into the spar, but I
hesitate to do that if I am missing something else that is easy. Any
ideas?





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Posted by jerry_magic1 (jerry_magic1@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lioneldmp7”
<doug.payne@t…> wrote:

My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the mast when tacking…

I’m not sure about the configuration on an F28, but I had the same
problem on my F36.
I shortened the pendant that attaches the tack to the bow plate, thus
bringing the sail closer to the deck and a little further forward,
That helped some, but not quite enough on my boat. However, it might
be adequate on yours.
I ended up removing the ss fitting at the aft end of the camberspar
(as you mentioned) and cut off 1 inch of the camberspar. I measured
carefully to be sure the sail would still fit the spar when I
reassembled it. Overall, it was not a very difficult job and that
resolved the problem.

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Posted by CMarshall (cmars@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lioneldmp7”
<doug.payne@t…> wrote:

My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the mast when tacking. It
will
cross in all but less than a couple knots of wind, but the hardware
on the back of the camberspar hits the
mast, scratches it, etc. I have heard chatter that it may mean the

I had the same problem with a Hoyt F29. It was fixed by tying
a loop between the tack of the jib and the forestay. It was
tied at the loop where the sail cloth ends and a wire goes down
to the deck. This pulled the jib forward enough to miss the mast.
No other adjustment was needed.
Charles, F32 now

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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)

Camberspar adjustment!

There are 4 reasons that I can think of.

  1. forestay is too tight
  2. camberspar is too long
  3. camberspar has been bent or other wise modified
  4. sail design.

The easiest way is to try putting slack in the forestay. It should be loose and when the sail is hoisted, should extend forward at the camberspar wheel.

If the sail tension adjustments at the camberspar is not in one of the last two holes, the spar may be too long.

When I took ownership of my 32 and 36, the forestays on both were too tight and had this problem. I adjusted slack into the forestays which solved that problem.

When I had a new sail built for my 26, I discovered that the shape of my camberspar was incorrect. So I replaced it. It comes overlength so one cuts it to fit. I measure the length so that I could just barely get the pin the second to last adjustment hole, leaving one more adjustment for stretch over the life of the sail.

Remember, this is not a “stayed” rig and the forestay is only there for the jib. It should be loose enough so that when pushing on at shoulder height, could be easily displaces up to about 5 in. on a F36. Most of the freedoms I have been aboard have the forestay far too tight. Riggers tend to be form the “stayed rig” mentality.
Also, as the main sheet is tightened, tension on the forestay increases.

This is what worked for me over 50,000 miles on 2 freedoms.

Brian

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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Thanks, hope the less invasive solutions
work first so I don’t have to start hacking away at the camberspar. By
the way, what material is the spar made of?

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From: jerry_magic1
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Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004
11:47 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Mull F28 Camberspar Not Clearing Mast When tacking

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“lioneldmp7”
<doug.payne@t…> wrote:

My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the
mast when tacking…

I’m not sure about the configuration on an F28,
but I had the same
problem on my F36.
I shortened the pendant that attaches the tack to
the bow plate, thus
bringing the sail closer to the deck and a little
further forward,
That helped some, but not quite enough on my
boat. However, it might
be adequate on yours.
I ended up removing the ss fitting at the aft end
of the camberspar
(as you mentioned) and cut off 1 inch of the
camberspar. I measured
carefully to be sure the sail would still fit the
spar when I
reassembled it. Overall, it was not a very
difficult job and that
resolved the problem.





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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Thanks, will give it a try.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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-----Original Message-----
From: CMarshall
[mailto:cmars@…]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004
8:54 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Mull F28 Camberspar Not Clearing Mast When tacking

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“lioneldmp7”
<doug.payne@t…> wrote:

My Mull F28’s camberspar doesn’t clear the
mast when tacking. It
will
cross in all but less than a couple knots of
wind, but the hardware
on the back of the camberspar hits the
mast, scratches it, etc. I have heard chatter
that it may mean the

I had the same problem with a Hoyt F29. It
was fixed by tying
a loop between the tack of the jib and the forestay.
It was
tied at the loop where the sail cloth ends and a
wire goes down
to the deck. This pulled the jib forward
enough to miss the mast.
No other adjustment was needed.
Charles, F32 now






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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


Thanks, will give them all a try.

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
480-614-4915 Office
480-236-4561 Mobile
480-614-4916 Fax
doug.payne@…
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Guptil
[mailto:sailordude@…]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004
6:44 AM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Mull F28 Camberspar Not Clearing Mast When tacking

Camberspar
adjustment!

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There are 4 reasons that I
can think of.

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  1. forestay is too tight

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  2. camberspar is too long

    \
  3. camberspar has been
    bent or other wise modified

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  4. sail design.

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The easiest way is to try
putting slack in the forestay. It should be loose and when the sail is
hoisted, should extend forward at the camberspar wheel.

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If the sail tension
adjustments at the camberspar is not in one of the last two holes, the spar may
be too long.

\



When I took ownership of
my 32 and 36, the forestays on both were too tight and had this problem.
I adjusted slack into the forestays which solved that problem.

\



When I had a new sail
built for my 26, I discovered that the shape of my camberspar was
incorrect. So I replaced it. It comes overlength so one cuts it to
fit. I measure the length so that I could just barely get the pin the
second to last adjustment hole, leaving one more adjustment for stretch
over the life of the sail.

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Remember, this is not a
“stayed” rig and the forestay is only there for the jib. It
should be loose enough so that when pushing on at shoulder height, could be
easily displaces up to about 5 in. on a F36. Most of the freedoms I have
been aboard have the forestay far too tight. Riggers tend to be form the
“stayed rig” mentality.


Also, as the main sheet is
tightened, tension on the forestay increases.

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This is what worked for me
over 50,000 miles on 2 freedoms.

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Brian



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