Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I’m no computer expert, but I think most web sites, and hosting services, permit you to select how you want to check messages: on the web, delivered daily, delivered one by one, notification only, etc.
Personally, I believe an association is more important than a new web site. Yahoo provides a pretty good service for free. Many list-serves do not permit posting photos, files, etc. On the other hand, if you type in Freedom owners or Freedom sailboats in Google, you don’t get this list on the first page, and probably not at all. A separate web site would probably be picked up by the search engines and make the group more visible.
Al
-----Original Message-----From: William A. Cormack [mailto:wacormack@…] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:45 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder member
I too would support an owners association and if a web site helps get that going I would support that too.
On the subject of the new format, my complaint about the extra step of opening the web site to see a new post could be addressed by putting the subject of the new post in the notification email so that I wouldn’t have to open it and then find that the subject was not of interest.
Bill
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From: Doug Payne
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder member
I would also support the idea of an owners association. Would lead potentially to even better communication among members, more resources, we could post a lot more stuff, and ultimately it should help the value of our boats. Freedom’s are a tuff sell on the front end until you get in deep to what the boats represent. It could help us get people over those initial concerns. It would be a lot of work to organize probably
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-----Original Message-----From: akusinitz [mailto:akusinitz@…] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:44 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder member
I would support the idea of an owners association. I would not rush to a non-funded single owner administered website/bulletin board. Do you know what the membership fees and services provided by the nonsuch association are? Alan— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:> I believe that Manrique’s idea of using the new web site as the first step toward a Freedom owners association is a good one, whether or not the site takes off. My Freedom 30 is my third boat and the first which did not have at least one owners group associated with it. It seems to me that an owners group is especially important when the builder (although not all of its employees) has essentially abandoned the owners. There are about a thousand Nonsuchs out there, and about 70 percent belong the International Nonsuch Association. I used to think that those who were independent enough to own a boat with an unstayed mast were too independent to join an association, but the INA proves me wrong (unless there’s a metaphysical difference between aluminum and carbon fiber). Besides the help it could provide all of us, an active owners association can help maintain the value of out of production boats.> > Al Lorman> > -----Original Message-----> From: Manrique Feoli [mailto:manrique.feoli@k…] > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:48 PM> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder member> > > You are right Bill, I could fix this since I’m in the process of building> the site, but… , I kind of agree with your reasons (and others too).> > been the developper of the new site, I really don’t mind if IT IS or IT IS> NOT chosen to be THE official home, I really thought originally I could> help the “community” with some extra services, most of them still to come> since I launched the site in a somewhat early stage of development,> The original idea was of this being the first step to, passed some time and> gathering and waking up more users, create a “Freedom Boat Owners> Association”, in which case I would donate the name and the site to the> association… , (or have a new domain name for the association and keep> all the work of this site and just modify it to the new name).> > But I tell you what, this kind of things are born naturally or not at all,> I’ll keep the new site up as an extra services source for whoever needs it> either Freedom user or not, I would personally feel less commited anyway> since now would be a personal project more than a “property” the group, and> we can all keep posting on the yahoo site as we have been doing for the last> year or so.> > As a personal thing I’ll try to take some of my time to build interesting> features on the site (as long as doesn’t interfere with my sailing time of> course), like following up Ocean Racers, and circumnavigators and, if> possible, have private sponsors to organize events to users of Freedom,> Hunter, divers or whatever the new orientation of the site is.> > I’ll keep the yahoo Freedom mailing list posted of new features in case> anyone would like to to pop in at www.SailorsPub.com . By the way thanks> to the ones that kindly registered.> > I’m still open for anyone’s help, advices or very gentle criticisms, if> anyone wants to join this “now new” project of developing a sailing portal> at www.SailorsPub.com .> > regards to all> > Manrique> > > -----Original Message-----> From: William A. Cormack [mailto:wacormack@w…]> Sent: miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2004 11:45> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum,> Join it and be a founder member> > > > I’m not sure of the advantages either but do know of a disadvantage. You> have to click on a link and wait for a page to load in order to see the> message and the subject of the message is not visible prior to doing this.> > Call me an old Yankee if you will but:> If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.> I vote to keep the same (old) way.> > Bill> _________________________________________________> William A. Cormack, CPA> Principal and Chief Financial Officer> Whelan Associates, LLC, a Corporate Real Estate Service firm> 100 Faunce Corner Executive Center> 500 Faunce Corner Road, Suite 150> North Dartmouth, MA 02747> Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828> MailTo:wacormack@w…> ----- Original Message -----> From: “merliseclyde” <clyde@s…>> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:55 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it> and be a founder member> > > >> >> > You can also follow threads; just click on threads at the upper or> > lower right hand side of the screen to sort messages by threads rather> > than date.> >> > I am not sure of the advantages of the new site.> >> > Merlise> > Cassiopeia (Freedom 35)> >> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A. Cormack”> > <wacormack@w…> wrote:> >> I agree with Al. Switching sites is no fun.> >>> >> In addition, you can search the yahoo site. At the bottom of the> > opening> >> page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/ enter what> > you want> >> to find in the search window and hit search. It searches the text of> >> messages as well as the subjects.> >>> >> Bill> >> _________________________________________________> >> William A. Cormack, CPA> >> Principal and Chief Financial Officer> >> Whelan Associates, LLC, a Corporate Real Estate Service firm> >> 500 Faunce Corner Road, Suite 150> >> North Dartmouth, MA 02747> >> Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828> >> MailTo:wacormack@w…> >> ----- Original Message -----> >> From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>> >> To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:31 PM> >> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum,> > Join it> >> and be a founder member> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > I applaud your willingness to help improve Freedom owner resources.> >> > However I think it is best to leave the site where it is.> >> > First, the key is having a single site with the most active members.> >> > As I understand it Freedom Yachts links to the yahoo site and most> >> > search engines find this.> >> > Second, it is best not rely on a single owners intereste and> >> > continuing generosity in maintaining/administering the site. Yahoo> >> > does a good job, is stable and the ads are to me a minor nuisance in> >> > exchange for a free site with no fee so there is little barrier to> >> > join.> >> > Now if someone wanted to spend the time going though the messages in> >> > the archives and current ones and grouping them into a manual for> >> > posting on the database…> >> > My two cents anyway.> >> > Alan F-33 Hull 51> >> >> >> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Manrique Feoli”> >> > <manrique.feoli@k…> wrote:> >> >> Hi all> >> >>> >> >> As a freedom owner I have to recognize that the activity in this> >> > group has> >> >> been more than interesting in the last few months, specially when> >> > it comes> >> >> to sharing experiences of other users. I’ve really learned so> >> > much.> >> >>> >> >> I have noticed however that, it is somewhat hard to follow up on> >> > particular> >> >> issues since they all come via email or are stored in the web both> >> > on a> >> >> separate way each reply from the other, as well as it is not easy> >> > to post> >> >> images and other interesting things.> >> >>> >> >> To make a long story short a few weeks back I decided to offer my> >> > small> >> >> contribution to the Freedom owners and set up a new site forum for> >> > Freedom> >> >> lovers, owners, so that we could all have some more services and> >> > easy of> >> >> use. If the initiative goes well and we all suport it with our> >> > comments,> >> >> we will all have an interesting place to visit soon.> >> >>> >> >> For example the forum will accept images on the threads, each> >> > thread may> >> >> be viewed with all it’s all answers on a single place, each user> >> > may post> >> >> photos, classifieds, wheather info, and many more.> >> >>> >> >> The site is currently working, I am doing a lot of changes in my> >> > free time> >> >> to improve it but would like to have your feedback and help if> >> > possible,> >> >> the idea is that the site wold be a place for Freedom Users to> >> > come and> >> >> share.> >> >>> >> >> I extend an invitation to anyone who wants to help so that we’ll> >> > soon have a> >> >> nice site, remember this kind of sites are more interesting if> >> > more people> >> >> comes in, so let your friends know of it please (there is a> >> > place for non> >> >> freedom users too).> >> >>> >> >> Also, the current moderator of the group at yahoo is welcome to> >> > be a> >> >> moderator in this new site, just let me know to mfeoli@y…,> >> > also any> >> >> one else who thinks can take a few minutes a day and want’s to> >> > help can ask> >> >> to be a moderator.> >> >>> >> >> TIP:> >> >> the site is VERY MUCH better if viewed by a registered user,> >> > unregistered> >> >> users will only see parts of it, (for example wont see wheather> >> > block and> >> >> others) so sign up quickly,> >> >>> >> >> The site has almost no users now we are planning to register as> >> > Founder’s to> >> >> the first 10 to 20 users signed in, for whatever benefit that> >> > could be in> >> >> the future.> >> >>> >> >> well too much talk… to visit the site: www.sailorspub.com> >> >>> >> >> I’m looking into ways of porting all that valuable information of> >> > the yahoo> >> >> forum to set it up on a common knoledge section on the site, if> >> > anyone has> >> >> the previous forum backups that could be of great help too.> >> >>> >> >> Hope this initiative does good to all> >> >>> >> >> Manrique Feoli> >> >> Freedom 33 Hull No19> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yahoo! 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