Posted by davisjonathan1946 (jon.annie@…>)
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i have
been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and
florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be
serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to
the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair solution
Posted by David G. Evans (dgevans@…>)
What year? The Mull-era and after were built with vinylester resin and I’ve never heard of a blistering problem.
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] osmosis in freedom hulls
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i have been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair solution
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I used to live on the Gulf Coast. I don’t agree with your surveyor.
There are many poorly maintained and cheaply built boats in that part
of the country though. Some of the locally built boats were the worst.
First of all people need to get over blister-phobia. It’s not like
your boat will sink on account of a few blisters. Freedoms are
exceptionally well built boats. TPI is a leader in fiberglass
construction. Freedoms are not overly susceptible to blistering
however you may see some.
Blisters must be evaluated on a case by case basis. It’s impossible
to make a generalization about all fiberglass boats in the Gulf Of
Mexico. When you find the boat you want you want it will be hauled
out for survey. If it’s an older Freedom and there are no blisters
chances are it won’t suddenly start blistering. Blisters are judged
by size and depth. A small shallow blister will not threaten the
core. It’s a simple matter to grind and fill. Many boats will have
some pox - small blisters in one area or another. Usually you don’t
have to deal with all of them at once.
I hire a diver to look at the underbody before I commit to the
haulout. If stuff is really bad underneath sometimes a diver can save
you a lot of money.
Finally, don’t take everything your surveyor says as gospel. I could
print up business cards and call myself a surveyor. That doesn’t make
an expert. There are some good surveyors out there. Peter Minkwitz in
Oakland is one of the better ones in the business. I flew him down to
San Diego for the last survey I had done. Many surveyors are flakes
that can’t find real jobs. I sold my old Pearson to a nice couple.
Before they made their purchase offer I gave them a list of every
known defect, many of which Peter had found on the pre-purchase
survey when I bought the boat. When they hired a surveyor for their
pre-purchase inspection he missed about half the items that I had
already informed the buyers of. Some of the stuff this bozo missed
was on account of not lifting a cushion and looking inside a storage
area.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “davisjonathan1946”
<jon.annie@t…> wrote:
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i
have
been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and
florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be
serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to
the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair
solution
Posted by Frank Minelli (myslo@…>)
Deep blisters in a cored hull are most likely a sign of moisture in the core.
The older Freedom boats are all balsa-cored, almost down to the keel. Balsa soaks up water like a sponge, literally. Submerge a sponge long enough in water, no matter how well you encapsulate it, and, sooner or later it will soak itself full.
The answer, when checking out a used boat, is the moisture-meter. If the core is found to be wet, all is not lost. I had this happen to my Freedom (33) in the mid-nineties.
We tore the outer hull off, replaced most of the balsa, saturated it with epoxy, and laid up an expoxy.-glass hull, surely much stronger than the original one. Total cost, in 1995, was roughly $8000, doing all the work ourselves. The boat has since been in the Caribbean, always in the water except for a few weeks maintenance work each year, and the hull is bone dry, there is never a blister.
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to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i have been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair solution
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Frank Minelli <myslo@y…>
wrote:
Deep blisters in a cored hull are most likely a sign of moisture
in the core.The older Freedom boats are all balsa-cored, almost down to the
keel. Balsa soaks up water like a sponge, literally. Submerge a
sponge long enough in water, no matter how well you encapsulate it,
and, sooner or later it will soak itself full.The answer, when checking out a used boat, is the moisture-meter.
If the core is found to be wet, all is not lost. I had this happen
to my Freedom (33) in the mid-nineties.
We tore the outer hull off, replaced most of the balsa, saturated
it with epoxy, and laid up an expoxy.-glass hull, surely much
stronger than the original one. Total cost, in 1995, was roughly
$8000, doing all the work ourselves. The boat has since been in the
Caribbean, always in the water except for a few weeks maintenance
work each year, and the hull is bone dry, there is never a blister.davisjonathan1946 <jon.annie@t…> wrote:
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i
have
been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and
florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be
serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to
the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Frank Minelli <myslo@y…>
wrote:
Deep blisters in a cored hull are most likely a sign of moisture
in the core.The older Freedom boats are all balsa-cored, almost down to the
keel. Balsa soaks up water like a sponge, literally. Submerge a
sponge long enough in water, no matter how well you encapsulate it,
and, sooner or later it will soak itself full.The answer, when checking out a used boat, is the moisture-meter.
If the core is found to be wet, all is not lost. I had this happen
to my Freedom (33) in the mid-nineties.
We tore the outer hull off, replaced most of the balsa, saturated
it with epoxy, and laid up an expoxy.-glass hull, surely much
stronger than the original one. Total cost, in 1995, was roughly
$8000, doing all the work ourselves. The boat has since been in the
Caribbean, always in the water except for a few weeks maintenance
work each year, and the hull is bone dry, there is never a blister.davisjonathan1946 <jon.annie@t…> wrote:
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i
have
been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and
florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be
serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to
the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I can’t remember who built the 33’s. Was it TPI?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Frank Minelli <myslo@y…>
wrote:
Deep blisters in a cored hull are most likely a sign of moisture
in the core.The older Freedom boats are all balsa-cored, almost down to the
keel. Balsa soaks up water like a sponge, literally. Submerge a
sponge long enough in water, no matter how well you encapsulate it,
and, sooner or later it will soak itself full.The answer, when checking out a used boat, is the moisture-meter.
If the core is found to be wet, all is not lost. I had this happen
to my Freedom (33) in the mid-nineties.
We tore the outer hull off, replaced most of the balsa, saturated
it with epoxy, and laid up an expoxy.-glass hull, surely much
stronger than the original one. Total cost, in 1995, was roughly
$8000, doing all the work ourselves. The boat has since been in the
Caribbean, always in the water except for a few weeks maintenance
work each year, and the hull is bone dry, there is never a blister.davisjonathan1946 <jon.annie@t…> wrote:
to what extent do freedoms suffer from osmosis in the hull as i
have
been told by a surveyor that most yachts kept in the gulf and
florida area suffer from gel coat blister Osmosis.As this could be
serious in a balsa core hull can anyone give advice and guidance to
the problem and how to overcome this what is the best repair
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Posted by Thomas Carlton (Finesse@…>)
Which models/years are pre-Mull & which are post?
Thomas
— “David G. Evans” <dgevans@…> wrote:
What year? The Mull-era and after were built with vinylester resin and I’ve
never heard of a blistering problem.
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
The 36/38 is a Mull design as is the 30 that looks like a scaled down
36. Basic rule of thumb is that if it looks kind of like a Ranger
then it’s a Mull design. All boats of that era including the Ron
Holland designed 39’s were built by TPI and show excellent build
quality. The only thing I’ve seen is the gel coat was applied too
thick and is subject to minor stress cracks which is merely a
cosmetic flaw.
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<Finesse@s…> wrote:
Which models/years are pre-Mull & which are post?
Thomas
Posted by David G. Evans (dgevans@…>)
The Mull era started in 1985 or 86 with the 36, followed by the 30 and 28, plus the 38 and the 45.
dge
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From: Thomas Carlton
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] osmosis in freedom hulls
Which models/years are pre-Mull & which are post?Thomas— “David G. Evans” <dgevans@…> wrote:What year? The Mull-era and after were built with vinylester resin and I’ve never heard of a blistering problem.
Posted by Ketch 22 (ketch_22@…>)
Get a new surveyor. I own Ketch 22, an F39. The original owner kept the boat
in Texas. I don’t have any blisters, and haven’t ever needed to repair any
blisters. Ketch 22 is on the hard at Nelsons Marine as I’m writing this. If
you’re in the SF bay area, go check out the bottom.
Tom M
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Sent: Jun 4, 2004 6:02 PM
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] osmosis in freedom hulls
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