Posted by wink50109 (jlittle@…>)
Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you look it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will have a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
I had a look at the Torqueedo too; I wonder what the total weight will
be including the batterypack, and how far you can go on one charge.
Gasoline can be bought everywhere, a battery charge not.
Another consideration is theft protection; a gasoline outboard can be
locked and bolted to the transom so they can only steal it including
the dink. How do you protect the batterypack from theft? Or do you lug
it along when you go shopping? And what happens if a wave enters the
dink and the battery pack gets wet?
All in all I’m still considering the Honda 2.3 4 stroke lightweight as
my best option. Combining weight, ease of use, reliability and
robustness I think these electric outboards, and especially the
battery packs are a nice idealistic idea, and perhaps an option when
you go fishing in the pond near the village, but not a real option for
a cruiser.
If someone has different and more positive experience with electric
outboards, I’d like to hear their opinion.
Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wink50109” <jlittle@…>
wrote:
Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you look
it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will have
a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.
Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…>
wrote:
I had a look at the Torqueedo too; I wonder what the total weight will
be including the batterypack, and how far you can go on one charge.
Gasoline can be bought everywhere, a battery charge not.Another consideration is theft protection; a gasoline outboard can be
locked and bolted to the transom so they can only steal it including
the dink. How do you protect the batterypack from theft? Or do you lug
it along when you go shopping? And what happens if a wave enters the
dink and the battery pack gets wet?All in all I’m still considering the Honda 2.3 4 stroke lightweight as
my best option. Combining weight, ease of use, reliability and
robustness I think these electric outboards, and especially the
battery packs are a nice idealistic idea, and perhaps an option when
you go fishing in the pond near the village, but not a real option for
a cruiser.If someone has different and more positive experience with electric
outboards, I’d like to hear their opinion.Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wink50109” <jlittle@>
wrote:Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you look
it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will have
a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.
I had a Mercury 3.3 two-stroke mounted on my inflatable. Except for going
through an
excessive number of shear pins, the motor worked fine. That is, until some
genius in the
government decided we should mandate the use of ethanol in our gas. From my
first fill-
up with gas containing ethanol, I had nothing but trouble with the outboard.
Ditto for my
chainsaw, snowblower, lawnmower, and tractor. Not to mention crappier gas
mileage in
my truck. Only the diesel’s on my boats have escaped unscathed by this wonder
additive.
Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Hi Michel,
The Honda 2hp 4-stroke is a great little (and light) engine. I wound
up with the Model BF2D Type SHA (bought it in June, 2005). This type
does not have a clutch or any neutral position - the prop runs when
the engine is on. To reverse, the engine is (easily) turned around.
This is not a problem most of the time as at slow speeds one can
easily hold a dinghy at a dock with the prop turning. BUT, this is
not ideal - as I discovered when I was helping a small boy in deep
water who had fallen off a laser in high wind. If you can get it, I
would advise type SCHA (short shaft) or LCHA (long shaft). Each of
these has a centrifugal clutch that engages when the rpm exceeds 2700
rpm. I don’t think this can be obtained as a retrofit.
On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:04 AM, michel.capel wrote:
I had a look at the Torqueedo too; I wonder what the total weight will
be including the batterypack, and how far you can go on one charge.
Gasoline can be bought everywhere, a battery charge not.
Another consideration is theft protection; a gasoline outboard can be
locked and bolted to the transom so they can only steal it including
the dink. How do you protect the batterypack from theft? Or do you lug
it along when you go shopping? And what happens if a wave enters the
dink and the battery pack gets wet?
All in all I’m still considering the Honda 2.3 4 stroke lightweight as
my best option. Combining weight, ease of use, reliability and
robustness I think these electric outboards, and especially the
battery packs are a nice idealistic idea, and perhaps an option when
you go fishing in the pond near the village, but not a real option for
a cruiser.
If someone has different and more positive experience with electric
outboards, I’d like to hear their opinion.
Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wink50109” <jlittle@…>
wrote:
Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you look
it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will have
a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.
Yahoo! Groups Links
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I purchased the Honda 2hp – 4stroke
but returned it. I think its actually a good unit. The problem I had was that
the first day one of the plastic handles (I think it was for the fuel shut off)
broke off. I suspect it may have been damaged in shipment but didn’t want
to take a chance so I didn’t buy another Honda and just returned it. Mine
had the clutch. It is bulkier but not heavier (if I remember correctly) then
the 2 cycles.
It’s the range of the electric that
seems a problem for cruising. 2 gallons of gas can take one a long way. On the
other hand the electrics should be easy to start. J
Alan F-33 Hull #51 SEAPR
From:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rees Midgley
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007
12:14 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: outboards
Hi Michel,
The Honda 2hp 4-stroke is a great little (and light) engine. I wound
up with the Model BF2D Type SHA (bought it in June, 2005). This type
does not have a clutch or any neutral position - the prop runs when
the engine is on. To reverse, the engine is (easily) turned around.
This is not a problem most of the time as at slow speeds one can
easily hold a dinghy at a dock with the prop turning. BUT, this is
not ideal - as I discovered when I was helping a small boy in deep
water who had fallen off a laser in high wind. If you can get it, I
would advise type SCHA (short shaft) or LCHA (long shaft). Each of
these has a centrifugal clutch that engages when the rpm exceeds 2700
rpm. I don’t think this can be obtained as a retrofit.
On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:04 AM, michel.capel wrote:
I had a look at the Torqueedo too; I wonder what the total weight will
be including the batterypack, and how far you can go on one charge.
Gasoline can be bought everywhere, a battery charge not.
Another consideration is theft protection; a gasoline outboard can be
locked and bolted to the transom so they can only steal it including
the dink. How do you protect the batterypack from theft? Or do you lug
it along when you go shopping? And what happens if a wave enters the
dink and the battery pack gets wet?
All in all I’m still considering the Honda 2.3 4 stroke lightweight as
my best option. Combining weight, ease of use, reliability and
robustness I think these electric outboards, and especially the
battery packs are a nice idealistic idea, and perhaps an option when
you go fishing in the pond near the village, but not a real option for
a cruiser.
If someone has different and more positive experience with electric
outboards, I’d like to hear their opinion.
Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“wink50109” <jlittle@…>
wrote:
Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you look
it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will have
a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Here in the Netherlands, the Honda 2.3 HP 4-stroke costs about half
of the Torqueedo Travel 800 (800 watts, comparable to a 2HP gasoline
outboard). The Honda is around EUR 800/$1000, the Torqueedo EUR 1400/
$1860! And then you also need 110 or 220 on board to be able to
charge the LiMA battery when you are underway.
Big plus for the Torqueedo is the fact that you can fold it and stow
it blow decks (no gasoline - no danger of explosion).
Does anybody store their gasoline outboard in a cockpit locker? I
would like to, but don’t dare.
michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley
<rmidgley@…> wrote:
Hi Michel,
The Honda 2hp 4-stroke is a great little (and light) engine. I
wound
up with the Model BF2D Type SHA (bought it in June, 2005). This
type
does not have a clutch or any neutral position - the prop runs
when
the engine is on. To reverse, the engine is (easily) turned
around.
This is not a problem most of the time as at slow speeds one can
easily hold a dinghy at a dock with the prop turning. BUT, this
is
not ideal - as I discovered when I was helping a small boy in
deep
water who had fallen off a laser in high wind. If you can get it,
I
would advise type SCHA (short shaft) or LCHA (long shaft). Each
of
these has a centrifugal clutch that engages when the rpm exceeds
2700
rpm. I don’t think this can be obtained as a retrofit.- ReesOn Mar 22, 2007, at 4:04 AM, michel.capel wrote:
I had a look at the Torqueedo too; I wonder what the total weight
will
be including the batterypack, and how far you can go on one charge.
Gasoline can be bought everywhere, a battery charge not.Another consideration is theft protection; a gasoline outboard can
be
locked and bolted to the transom so they can only steal it
including
the dink. How do you protect the batterypack from theft? Or do you
lug
it along when you go shopping? And what happens if a wave enters
the
dink and the battery pack gets wet?All in all I’m still considering the Honda 2.3 4 stroke
lightweight as
my best option. Combining weight, ease of use, reliability and
robustness I think these electric outboards, and especially the
battery packs are a nice idealistic idea, and perhaps an option
when
you go fishing in the pond near the village, but not a real option
for
a cruiser.If someone has different and more positive experience with electric
outboards, I’d like to hear their opinion.Best,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wink50109” <jlittle@>
wrote:Has anyone seen the Torqeedo electric outboards in the West
Marine
recent flyer. The smaller one seems great for a dingy. If you
look
it
up online at West you will see it doesn’t come with 12v charging
capability as yet. I spoke with the manufacturer and they will
have
a
cigerette lighter plug in charger by summer.Yahoo! Groups Links