Posted by kfnevins (Knevins@…>)
After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless
Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the
entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this
combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on our
F36/38. Heavier every year.
Will let you know if this is a mistake…
Posted by Jack Upfal (freestile1986@…>)
I bought the bit and Milwaukee drill and have been
using them for about a year on my Freedom 36 Cat
Ketch. It really makes the job of raising the sails
pretty easy.
— kfnevins <Knevins@…> wrote:
After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a
cordless
Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24,
$350. Spoke to the
entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and
says this
combination will do well. I want help only to raise
the main on our
F36/38. Heavier every year.Will let you know if this is a mistake…
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Posted by ns30cbeagle@… (ns30cbeagle@…)
In a message dated 12/12/2003 9:50:20 PM Central Standard Time, freestile1986@… writes:
I bought the bit
Hello,
Sorry but I’m new to the list and must have missed where you can obtain the bit.
Thanks.
Ron
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Posted by CRAIG WINDERMAN (crwindy@…>)
I had a ‘winch bit’ made for me by a machine shop. It cost about the same $40. I use a heavy duty sears 18 volt cordless drill which I bought from a Sears outlet for about $60. I have used this setup for the last year and a half to raise the main on my Freedom 36 (about to become 38). It works well. I single hand a lot and this makes life easier.
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After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on our F36/38. Heavier every year.Will let you know if this is a mistake…To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.comYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Posted by tuttlejr (2rats@…>)
I was in Sears (UGH!) the other day to take advantage of a 2 day sale
and saw a cordless angle drill for about $79.00 which should work
very well on the Winch Bit. This was the regular price.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, CRAIG WINDERMAN
<crwindy@p…> wrote:
I had a ‘winch bit’ made for me by a machine shop. It cost about
the same $40. I use a heavy duty sears 18 volt cordless drill which I
bought from a Sears outlet for about $60. I have used this setup for
the last year and a half to raise the main on my Freedom 36 (about to
become 38). It works well. I single hand a lot and this makes life
easier.
Craigkfnevins <Knevins@c…> wrote:
After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless
Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the
entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this
combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on
our
F36/38. Heavier every year.Will let you know if this is a mistake…
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I used to have a 39 ketch which has two very large sails. I used Sail-
Kote judiciously on the tracks and cars. When it came time to raise
the sails I’d go forward and jump the halyard right from along side
the mast. On a good day with someone decent on the helm keeping the
boat into the wind I could raise the sails up all the way by hand and
the only thing I used the cockpit winches for was to add the proper
amount of tension. If I had a 36/38 I’d seriously think about adding
a winch at the mast and getting away from trying to raise the sails
from the cockpit. The combination of heavy sails, full battens, and a
friction inducing turning block make sail raising a lot more work
than it needs to be.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kfnevins” <Knevins@c…>
wrote:
After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless
Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the
entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this
combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on
our
F36/38. Heavier every year.Will let you know if this is a mistake…
Posted by clinicalpartners (clinicalpartners@…>)
Hi Dave–I am about to purchase a used 39 Express: would be curious to know how did you like yours and why did you sell? I presently have a Niagara 35 and am strongly considering the 39 but have been wondering how it sailed compared to a sloop rig?.
Paul D. GerdesClinical Partners, Inc./Clinical Partners, PA"Partners in Quality"Chesapeake, VA/Longview, TX757.548.9849-Ofc.757.548.9940-FAXwww.clinical-partners.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave_Benjamin
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Power Winch
I used to have a 39 ketch which has two very large sails. I used Sail-Kote judiciously on the tracks and cars. When it came time to raise the sails I’d go forward and jump the halyard right from along side the mast. On a good day with someone decent on the helm keeping the boat into the wind I could raise the sails up all the way by hand and the only thing I used the cockpit winches for was to add the proper amount of tension. If I had a 36/38 I’d seriously think about adding a winch at the mast and getting away from trying to raise the sails from the cockpit. The combination of heavy sails, full battens, and a friction inducing turning block make sail raising a lot more work than it needs to be. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kfnevins” <Knevins@c…> wrote:> After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless > Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the > entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this > combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on our > F36/38. Heavier every year.> > Will let you know if this is a mistake…
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I find it ironic that you have a Niagara 35. Several years before we
bought our Freedom we tried to buy a Niagara 35 but the owner wanted
way too much money for it. It was on the market for years and as far
as I know it never sold. That’s a great boat that very few people
even know about. The layout takes some getting used to but it’s very
functional and overall it’s a great cruising boat.
Now to answer your question about the F-39. If you move up to the F-
39 you’ll enjoy far superior reaching and running performance. You
won’t go to weather as well as your current boat. The stock F-39
sailhandling and running rigging leaves a lot to be desired and will
be more work than your Niagara. First of all you’ll want to install
some rigid vangs. Talk to the folks at Garhauer about making your
collars for you. Personally I would ditch having the halyards led aft
and rig things so you raise the sails from near the masts. As I
mentioned in the previous post there is way too much friction created
by the stock setup.
I really enjoyed the F-39 out in the ocean. The cat ketch rig is very
versatile and makes the boat easy to balance and properly canvas. For
daysailing in the Bay I think a 36/38 sloop would be more fun. The
reason we sold our 39 is that we moved to Portland, Oregon and bought
a house. I find the sailing here to be pretty boring except for small
boat sailing in the mountain lakes. There’s a limit to how many times
you can sail up and down a river.
Whether a 39 is right for you really depends on the type of sailing
you’re doing. If you’re on the east coast and want something you can
sail to the Bahamas the 39 would be great.
Why not have the best of both worlds? Buy the 39 and move the Niagara
to Puget Sound where I can exercise it for you periodically;-)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “clinicalpartners”
<clinicalpartners@n…> wrote:
Hi Dave–I am about to purchase a used 39 Express: would be
curious to know how did you like yours and why did you sell? I
presently have a Niagara 35 and am strongly considering the 39 but
have been wondering how it sailed compared to a sloop rig?.
Paul D. Gerdes
Clinical Partners, Inc./Clinical Partners, PA
“Partners in Quality”
Chesapeake, VA/Longview, TX
757.548.9849-Ofc.
757.548.9940-FAX
www.clinical-partners.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave_Benjamin
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Power WinchI used to have a 39 ketch which has two very large sails. I used
Sail-
Kote judiciously on the tracks and cars. When it came time to
raise
the sails I’d go forward and jump the halyard right from along
side
the mast. On a good day with someone decent on the helm keeping
the
boat into the wind I could raise the sails up all the way by hand
and
the only thing I used the cockpit winches for was to add the
proper
amount of tension. If I had a 36/38 I’d seriously think about
adding
a winch at the mast and getting away from trying to raise the
sails
from the cockpit. The combination of heavy sails, full battens,
and a
friction inducing turning block make sail raising a lot more work
than it needs to be.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kfnevins”
<Knevins@c…>
wrote:After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless
Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to
the
entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this
combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main
on
our
F36/38. Heavier every year.Will let you know if this is a mistake…
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Posted by clinicalpartners (clinicalpartners@…>)
Dear Dave–
Thanks for the response. Actually I personally like the N-35 and one of the reasons was the layout below. It is a well built boat but my wife hates the layout below and loves the F39 layout. I am willing to make the change if it gets her more into sailing. I also like the simplicity of the cat-ketch rig for single handing, as compared to the N39 sloop rig. My 35 is due for some significant updating (refrig-head, awlgrip, new roller furling head sail etc), and I am reluctant to put the money into it since it is a '83. It is a good light to med air performer but I have never liked the Westerbeke 28 power plant (noisy and under powered). The F39 is the Holland designed hull and should perform well. The boat will not be used on the Chesapeake as I am relocating to Corpus Christi part-time where there are pretty steady winds during the winter. I plan to get in as much Gulf sailing as possible with a possible trip to the Yucatan.
As to your Puget Sound idea, I actually have contemplated keeping her and putting her somewhere else to use part time as I really kinda hate parting with her. I initially sailed on Lake Superior and have contemplated putting it back there as a second boat for the cool summer sailing season but my wife hates Lake Superior sailing as it is pretty cool in the summer. If you are interested, I might consider a half ownership and split the cost of shipping to Puget. Something to consider for both of us if you were serious in your statement. I agree that river sailing is pretty boring as I started sailing on the Mississippi in Minnesota and it got pretty dull other than it makes one an expert on “short tacking”.
As to the F39, it currently has block/tackle vangs but I will probably go to rigid vangs as I have a friend of mine that is a Garhauer rep and I can buy pretty reasonably. The boat is also a 83 but has been updated significantly and not had much use over the past 10 years (about a month per year). I like the Perkins 51 engine and the reaching abilities of the rig. I would prefer to keep the running rigging lead aft and the owner of course says that the running rigging goes up very easily. We’ll have to see.
Paul D. GerdesClinical Partners, Inc./Clinical Partners, PA"Partners in Quality"Chesapeake, VA/Longview, TX757.548.9849-Ofc.757.548.9940-FAXwww.clinical-partners.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave_Benjamin
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:04 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Power Winch
I find it ironic that you have a Niagara 35. Several years before we bought our Freedom we tried to buy a Niagara 35 but the owner wanted way too much money for it. It was on the market for years and as far as I know it never sold. That’s a great boat that very few people even know about. The layout takes some getting used to but it’s very functional and overall it’s a great cruising boat.Now to answer your question about the F-39. If you move up to the F-39 you’ll enjoy far superior reaching and running performance. You won’t go to weather as well as your current boat. The stock F-39 sailhandling and running rigging leaves a lot to be desired and will be more work than your Niagara. First of all you’ll want to install some rigid vangs. Talk to the folks at Garhauer about making your collars for you. Personally I would ditch having the halyards led aft and rig things so you raise the sails from near the masts. As I mentioned in the previous post there is way too much friction created by the stock setup. I really enjoyed the F-39 out in the ocean. The cat ketch rig is very versatile and makes the boat easy to balance and properly canvas. For daysailing in the Bay I think a 36/38 sloop would be more fun. The reason we sold our 39 is that we moved to Portland, Oregon and bought a house. I find the sailing here to be pretty boring except for small boat sailing in the mountain lakes. There’s a limit to how many times you can sail up and down a river.Whether a 39 is right for you really depends on the type of sailing you’re doing. If you’re on the east coast and want something you can sail to the Bahamas the 39 would be great. Why not have the best of both worlds? Buy the 39 and move the Niagara to Puget Sound where I can exercise it for you periodically;-)— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “clinicalpartners” <clinicalpartners@n…> wrote:> Hi Dave–I am about to purchase a used 39 Express: would be curious to know how did you like yours and why did you sell? I presently have a Niagara 35 and am strongly considering the 39 but have been wondering how it sailed compared to a sloop rig?.> Paul D. Gerdes> Clinical Partners, Inc./Clinical Partners, PA> “Partners in Quality”> Chesapeake, VA/Longview, TX> 757.548.9849-Ofc.> 757.548.9940-FAX> www.clinical-partners.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave_Benjamin > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:03 PM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Power Winch> > > I used to have a 39 ketch which has two very large sails. I used Sail-> Kote judiciously on the tracks and cars. When it came time to raise > the sails I’d go forward and jump the halyard right from along side > the mast. On a good day with someone decent on the helm keeping the > boat into the wind I could raise the sails up all the way by hand and > the only thing I used the cockpit winches for was to add the proper > amount of tension. If I had a 36/38 I’d seriously think about adding > a winch at the mast and getting away from trying to raise the sails > from the cockpit. The combination of heavy sails, full battens, and a > friction inducing turning block make sail raising a lot more work > than it needs to be. > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “kfnevins” <Knevins@c…> > wrote:> > After research, ordered a ‘winch bit’ @ $40, and a cordless > > Milwaukee right angle drill, 18 volt, #3109-24, $350. Spoke to the > > entrepeneur of winch bit. Has a 71 ft sailboat and says this > > combination will do well. I want help only to raise the main on > our > > F36/38. Heavier every year.> > > > Will let you know if this is a mistake…> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Yahoo! Groups Links> > a… To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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