I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a
Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a
Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green
(not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in
pointing?
No, on the contrary. The double ply sails (I suppose you have these)
have a much better laminar airflow on the leeside of the sail than the
single ply sails on a track that you most often see on the
conventional boom versions. The fat masts tear off the airflow off the
forward part of the leeside. Working with wishbones is just a bit
getting used to.
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months
ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
I would say it’s big plus; you won’t see blisters for the next say ten
years, or maybe even never again.
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather
partially green (not an
original color!)
Haven’t got a clue.
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Green running rigging ! Soak in a solution of water and clorox. If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers taped to end of halyards. Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a pillow case first to minimise tangles. Use Fabric softener too. Andre , " Scaramanga "principlone <dminge@…> wrote: I am new to
the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom 33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a Yanmar 3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc. 1) This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing? 2) The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a concern if blister-free since then? 3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green (not an original color!)Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
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I am new to the list and
am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a
Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green
(not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
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Do you really think those old halyards have anywhere close to the
original stretch resistance? I see more boats with crappy old
halyards that stretch under load. Your rig is designed to twist off
in a puff. If your halyard is stretchy you’re losing out.
Your main is your engine. Think of the halyards as your spark plug
wires. You can have the best spark plugs in the world but if they
don’t get the max voltage they don’t make much of a spark. The mast,
sail, and everything attached is part of a system. The rig and sail
won’t function as well as they could with tired old halyards.
When replacing halyards get the best you can afford and consider
reducing the diameter and wearing gloves. Most halyards are sized for
comfort rather than being matched to the load.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in.
messengers taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in
a pillow case first to minimise tangles.
Use Fabric softener too.
Andre , " Scaramanga "
principlone <dminge@…> wrote:
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my
Islander 30 to a Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model
including a Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping
etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability
in pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months
ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather
partially green (not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in
NC.
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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…)
Just a warning, do not use chlorine bleach on your running rigging. It will degrade and weaken the fibers.
Jay
----- Original Message -----From: “andre laviolette” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:45:28 -0400 (EDT)
Green running rigging !
Soak in a solution of water and clorox.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a pillow case first to minimise tangles.
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom 33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a Yanmar 3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc. 1) This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing? 2) The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a concern if blister-free since then? 3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green (not an original color!)Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Clorox is not a chlorine bleach but sodium hypochlorite. Or similar brand of household bleach.svfantasy@… wrote: Just a warning, do not use chlorine bleach on your running rigging. It will degrade and weaken the fibers. Jay ----- Original Message -----From: “andre laviolette” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a
newbee…Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Green running rigging ! Soak in a solution of water and clorox. If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers taped to end of halyards. Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a pillow case first to minimise tangles. Use Fabric softener too. Andre , " Scaramanga "principlone <dminge@chccs.k12.nc.us> wrote: I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom 33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a Yanmar 3GM. Thanks to all of
you for the great details re. hull tapping etc. 1) This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing? 2) The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a concern if blister-free since then? 3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green (not an original color!)Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC. The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new Yahoo! Mail.
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
You only need tight halyards going to hard to windward in stronger winds and it is better for these boats to have a little less halyard tension and foot. Off the wind your sail luff should be somewhat loose.Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: Buy new halyards.Do you really think those old halyards have anywhere close to the original stretch resistance? I see more boats with crappy old halyards that stretch under load. Your rig is designed to twist off in a puff. If your halyard is
stretchy you’re losing out.Your main is your engine. Think of the halyards as your spark plug wires. You can have the best spark plugs in the world but if they don’t get the max voltage they don’t make much of a spark. The mast, sail, and everything attached is part of a system. The rig and sail won’t function as well as they could with tired old halyards.When replacing halyards get the best you can afford and consider reducing the diameter and wearing gloves. Most halyards are sized for comfort rather than being matched to the load. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre laviolette <andrelaviolette@…> wrote:>> Green running rigging !> > Soak in a solution of water and clorox. > > If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers taped to end of halyards.> >
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a pillow case first to minimise tangles.> > Use Fabric softener too.> > Andre , " Scaramanga "> > principlone <dminge@…> wrote:> I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom > 33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a Yanmar > 3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc. > 1) This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing? > 2) The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a > concern if blister-free since then? > 3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green (not an > original color!)> > Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.> >
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I guess it all depends on the the strength of the solution. Enough to
remove/bleach the algae, but not so much as to heavily oxidize the
nylon or dacron in the lines. Personally, I wouldn’t want to stick my
hands into a solution strong enough to appreciably damage the fibers.
If the fear of “Clorox” appeals to you, then using the milder “Clorox
2” product may be the answer. Lastly, being out in the UV rays all
day, every day, also weakens the fibers. Herm, S.V. Impulse
At 01:48 PM 9/12/2006, andre laviolette wrote:
Clorox is not a chlorine bleach but sodium hypochlorite.
Or similar brand of household bleach.
svfantasy@… wrote:
Just a warning, do not use chlorine bleach on your running rigging.
It will degrade and weaken the fibers.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: “andre laviolette”
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:45:28 -0400 (EDT)
Green running rigging !
Soak in a solution of water and clorox.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers
taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a
pillow case first to minimise tangles.
Use Fabric softener too.
Andre , " Scaramanga "
principlone <dminge@…> wrote:
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30
to a Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model
including a Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in
pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months
ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather
partially green (not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
----- Original Message -----
From: andre laviolette
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…
Clorox is not a chlorine bleach but sodium hypochlorite.
Just a warning, do not use chlorine bleach on your running rigging. It will degrade and weaken the fibers.
Jay
----- Original Message -----From: “andre laviolette” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:45:28 -0400 (EDT)
Green running rigging !
Soak in a solution of water and clorox.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in. messengers taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in a pillow case first to minimise tangles.
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my Islander 30 to a Freedom 33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model including a Yanmar 3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping etc. 1) This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability in pointing? 2) The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months ago…is this a concern if blister-free since then? 3) Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather partially green (not an original color!)Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in NC.
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I’ve had very good results cleaning dirty, stiff lines for years by
soaking them in Woolite. You can do it in a bucket or sink on
board. No need to remove halyards. Do them in two parts. Rinse
well and let dry. They come out clean and soft. They’re probably
not as strong as new, but possibly better than bleaching them.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in.
messengers taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in
a pillow case first to minimise tangles.
Use Fabric softener too.
Andre , " Scaramanga "
principlone <dminge@…> wrote:
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my
Islander 30 to a Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82 model
including a Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping
etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability
in pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months
ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather
partially green (not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in
NC.
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Tension and stretch are not the same thing. Stretch is not good on
any point of sail. You don’t want the halyard stretching to absorb
loads. The rig and sail were not designed with that in mind.
You only need tight halyards going to hard to windward in stronger
winds and it is better for these boats to have a little less halyard
tension and foot. Off the wind your sail luff should be somewhat
loose.
Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: Buy new halyards.
Do you really think those old halyards have anywhere close to the
original stretch resistance? I see more boats with crappy old
halyards that stretch under load. Your rig is designed to twist off
in a puff. If your halyard is stretchy you’re losing out.
Your main is your engine. Think of the halyards as your spark plug
wires. You can have the best spark plugs in the world but if they
don’t get the max voltage they don’t make much of a spark. The
mast,
sail, and everything attached is part of a system. The rig and sail
won’t function as well as they could with tired old halyards.
When replacing halyards get the best you can afford and consider
reducing the diameter and wearing gloves. Most halyards are sized
for
comfort rather than being matched to the load.
If you choose to clean by removing from boat use 1/8 in.
messengers taped to end of halyards.
Lines can be washed in a clothes washing machine. Insert line in
a pillow case first to minimise tangles.
Use Fabric softener too.
Andre , " Scaramanga "
principlone <dminge@> wrote:
I am new to the list and am contemplating moving from my
Islander 30 to a Freedom
33. It has the basics of other listings I have seem on a '82
model
including a Yanmar
3GM. Thanks to all of you for the great details re. hull tapping
etc.
This boat has the original wishbone booms. Is this a liability
in pointing?
The bottom has been peeled and barrior coated about 18 months
ago…is this a
concern if blister-free since then?
Approx. price for new running rigging? (existing is rather
partially green (not an
original color!)
Thanks in advance and will patiently await your responses here in
NC.
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Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)
Other alternatives to chlorine bleach: (1) oxiclean and (2) hydrogen peroxide (follow directions as bleach alternative-may be on the bottle or you can buy nonchlorine bleach solutions in health food stores which is essentially a solution of hydrogen peroxide). Not really sure how hydrogen peroxide would affect breakdown of the nylon fibers but the oxiclean is reletively safe (I’m pretty sure). Melissa Acedia F38"Pollution is a silent form of violence" -Ralph Nader
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Hydogen peroxide is particularly good at removing blood stains on fabric.Melissa <kalicinm@…> wrote: Other alternatives to chlorine bleach: (1) oxiclean and (2) hydrogen peroxide (follow directions as bleach alternative-may be on the bottle or you can buy nonchlorine bleach solutions in health food stores which is essentially a solution of hydrogen peroxide). Not really sure how hydrogen peroxide would affect breakdown of the nylon fibers but the oxiclean is reletively safe
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I am an MD,and well versed in blood stains. The best procedure is,when the stain is fresh,to soak it in cold fresh water. Then use H2O2 to remove any residual stain.The H2O2 is activated by serum peroxidase to release monomolecular oxygen,which is the oxidizer of the blood,to render it colorless. More than you needed to know.
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To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…
Hydogen peroxide is particularly good at removing blood stains on fabric.Melissa <kalicinm@yahoo.com> wrote:
Other alternatives to chlorine bleach: (1) oxiclean and (2) hydrogen peroxide (follow directions as bleach alternative-may be on the bottle or you can buy nonchlorine bleach solutions in health food stores which is essentially a solution of hydrogen peroxide).
Not really sure how hydrogen peroxide would affect breakdown of the nylon fibers but the oxiclean is reletively safe (I’m pretty sure).
Melissa
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Well, that clears it up for me… whew
I thought you might have had a more nefarious reason for knowing that.
At 02:59 PM 9/20/2006 -0400, you wrote:
I am an MD,and well versed in blood stains. The best procedure is,when the
stain is fresh,to soak it in cold fresh water. Then use H2O2 to remove any
residual stain.The H2O2 is activated by serum peroxidase to release
monomolecular oxygen,which is the oxidizer of the blood,to render it
colorless. More than you needed to know.
Other alternatives to chlorine bleach: (1) oxiclean and (2) hydrogen
peroxide (follow directions as bleach alternative-may be on the bottle
or you can buy nonchlorine bleach solutions in health food stores which
is essentially a solution of hydrogen peroxide).
Not really sure how hydrogen peroxide would affect breakdown of the
nylon fibers but the oxiclean is reletively safe (I’m pretty sure).
Melissa
Acedia F38
“Pollution is a silent form of violence”
-Ralph Nader
Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)
do you think that H2O2 releases oxygen that would be an oxidizer to algae/mold? I’m hoping that people aren’t getting blood all over there running rigging.“Pollution is a silent form of violence” -Ralph Nader
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Oxygen,by definition,is an oxidizer-of anything oxidizable.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee…
do you think that H2O2 releases oxygen that would be an oxidizer to algae/mold? I’m hoping that people aren’t getting blood all over there running rigging.“Pollution is a silent form of violence”-Ralph Nader
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Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Adding about a half teaspoon of salt to an 8 oz glass of water and using this for the initial soak of a fresh “stain” should be even better as it will help to keep the red blood cells from breaking down and releasing their hemoglobin. The latter is the real stain.On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:59 PM, jerry weinraub wrote: I am an MD,and well versed in blood stains. The best procedure is,when the stain is fresh,to soak it in cold fresh water. Then use H2O2 to remove any residual stain.The H2O2 is activated by serum peroxidase to release monomolecular oxygen,which is the oxidizer of the blood,to render it colorless. More than you needed to know. ----- Original Message ----- From: andre laviolette To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Questions from a newbee… Hydogen peroxide is particularly good at removing blood stains on fabric.Melissa <kalicinm@yahoo.com> wrote: Other alternatives to chlorine bleach: (1) oxiclean and (2) hydrogen peroxide (follow directions as bleach alternative-may be on the bottle or you can buy nonchlorine bleach solutions in health food stores which is essentially a solution of hydrogen peroxide). Not really sure how hydrogen peroxide would affect breakdown of the nylon fibers but the oxiclean is reletively safe (I’m pretty sure). Melissa Acedia F38"Pollution is a silent form of violence"-Ralph Nader Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos