Raising The Main

Posted by Larry Powers (lapowers57@…>)

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the same
issues.


Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41

Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Re: Sail raising.

Make sure that the sheave at the mast head rotates freely under load. Also, the position of the halyard shackle on the headboard makes a difference.

Andre.Larry Powers <lapowers57@…> wrote:
I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It is the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps some other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with Kenyon booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone lubricant.How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part of my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the sail some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on the slide that
supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the batten and see if that helps.I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK or do most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What have people replaced them with?I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end of the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of friction. I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done this? What was the result?I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The lewmar clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer to the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the same
issues.Thanks,Larry PowersBarefoot Child, Hull #41
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Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)

I made a simple but very effective track lubricator that I have used
for years, but I have had no success posting a picture. (I keep
getting error messages.)

Send me your email address and I will pass it along.

Jim


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Powers”
<lapowers57@h…> wrote:

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to
hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat.
Perhaps some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with
Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this
would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The
sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone
lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think
part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give
the sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension
on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on
the batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered
OK or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference?
What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore
end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of
friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else
done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches.
The lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed
closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better
lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of
the same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

Many F33 owners have gone to a Milwaukee 18volt right angle reversible drill
with a bit to fit the winch.They are sold on the net-$35 or so. I made my
own bits from 17 mm square stock,fitted with a 3/8 hex rod as a shank. This
makes making sail lots easier. I use a “car charger” to recharge the battery
from the boat power. The drill should cost +/- $200.Plus- it is also a drill
----- Original Message -----
From: “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main

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I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps
some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the
sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the
batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK or
do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of
friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The
lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41

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Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

Very interested. Zayde@…
----- Original Message -----
From: “mdurki” <vaughan@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Raising The Main

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I made a simple but very effective track lubricator that I have used
for years, but I have had no success posting a picture. (I keep
getting error messages.)

Send me your email address and I will pass it along.

Jim

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Powers”
<lapowers57@h…> wrote:

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to
hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat.
Perhaps some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with
Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this
would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The
sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone
lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think
part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give
the sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension
on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on
the batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered
OK or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference?
What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore
end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of
friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else
done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches.
The lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed
closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better
lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of
the same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41

Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I don’t have much of a problem raising the main on my F-33. I can pull it about 3/4 up with a wrap around the winch, then a few wraps, then then the handle, then low gear for the last few feet and tension. The final tension is probably difficult since the halyard attachment to the sail is too far forward to align properly with the halyard out of the sheave) The mizzen I can raise fully with a wrap on the winch and then use the handle to tension. Both are full batten with ISOMAT booms.
The sheaves at the masthead are harken ball bearing (this is probably the most important thing).
My current sails are 1998 North Dacron 8 ounce for the main and 6 for the mizzen with tapered battens.
The main has battslides. The intermediate slides are black allslip and ride on the track rails (have an H section) inside and out rather then then against the mast like the battslides. I don’t know if this is a plus or a minus.
Both sails drop immediately when I release the line clutches so there is clearly little friction or jamming when not under load. Do yours drop easily?
I’ve adjusted batten tension and thet has had little affect and ease of raising.
On the main I added some shackles to raise the height of the block at the base of the mast. I changed to a larger ball bearing model. I used some high tech line from the bottom of the block to a forward part of the mast collar to keep the line aligned with the mast exit when under load. The halyard no longer rubs on the eyebrow of bullseye and the angle around the block is less introducing less friction. This has worked well.
I spray the tracks with slideall once or twice a year.
For reefing I use harken ball bearing blocks at the luff for all reefs rather then running through the rings in the sail. They are attached to a ring on webbing. This has reduced the friction in the single line reefing significantly.
I also had the booms taken apart and found bird nests and a tangle of stuff, and replaced the line and blocks. Also removed the opposing blocks that supposedly lowered the luff and leech at the same time when reefing but mostly just added friction.
Reefing definitely requires winching even still.
I have a winch bit and DC drill. It works well but I never use it given how little I really need the second gear of the winch.
Hope this helps.
Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Powers
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main
I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It is the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps some other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with Kenyon booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone lubricant.How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part of my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the sail some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on the slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the batten and see if that helps.I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK or do most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What have people replaced them with?I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end of the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of friction. I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done this? What was the result?I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The lewmar clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer to the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the same issues.Thanks,Larry PowersBarefoot Child, Hull #41

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Alan,
did you take the booms apart yourself or did someone do it for you?
Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

I don’t have much of a problem raising the main on my F-33. I can
pull it about 3/4 up with a wrap around the winch, then a few wraps,
then then the handle, then low gear for the last few feet and
tension. The final tension is probably difficult since the halyard
attachment to the sail is too far forward to align properly with the
halyard out of the sheave) The mizzen I can raise fully with a wrap
on the winch and then use the handle to tension. Both are full
batten with ISOMAT booms.
The sheaves at the masthead are harken ball bearing (this is
probably the most important thing).
My current sails are 1998 North Dacron 8 ounce for the main and 6
for the mizzen with tapered battens.
The main has battslides. The intermediate slides are black allslip
and ride on the track rails (have an H section) inside and out
rather then then against the mast like the battslides. I don’t know
if this is a plus or a minus.
Both sails drop immediately when I release the line clutches so
there is clearly little friction or jamming when not under load. Do
yours drop easily?
I’ve adjusted batten tension and thet has had little affect and
ease of raising.
On the main I added some shackles to raise the height of the block
at the base of the mast. I changed to a larger ball bearing model. I
used some high tech line from the bottom of the block to a forward
part of the mast collar to keep the line aligned with the mast exit
when under load. The halyard no longer rubs on the eyebrow of
bullseye and the angle around the block is less introducing less
friction. This has worked well.
I spray the tracks with slideall once or twice a year.
For reefing I use harken ball bearing blocks at the luff for all
reefs rather then running through the rings in the sail. They are
attached to a ring on webbing. This has reduced the friction in the
single line reefing significantly.
I also had the booms taken apart and found bird nests and a tangle
of stuff, and replaced the line and blocks. Also removed the
opposing blocks that supposedly lowered the luff and leech at the
same time when reefing but mostly just added friction.
Reefing definitely requires winching even still.
I have a winch bit and DC drill. It works well but I never use it
given how little I really need the second gear of the winch.
Hope this helps.
Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Powers
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to
hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat.
Perhaps some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail
raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came
with Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this
would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The
sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone
lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I
think part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to
give the sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some
tension on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on
the batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these
considered OK or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable
difference? What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the
fore end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source
of friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone
else done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar
clutches. The lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed
closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better
lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of
the same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41



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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Someone did it for me. My sailmaker was originally just installing Mackpacks and redoing the reefing lines to go through blocks at the same time. He decided it would be easiest to just take it apart while he was at it and then told me what he saw inside and proposed some changes which I agreed to. That part of it was just a few hours labor. I don’t think it would be hard to do. I’ve taped over the ends of the booms (and left drain holes) to avoid birds nests in the future.
I should shave mentioned that for the mizzen the original line organizers were at a bad angle causing friction and chafe on the halyard. I replaced the port organizer with a double (stacked) spinlock organizer and led the halyard through the upper one which gave it a nice angle and reduced friction in general. I used the extras to run the main traveler lines back to the linestopers by the winches/so I wouldn’t have to go forward to uncleat the traveler lines.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: lance_ryley
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Raising The Main
Alan,did you take the booms apart yourself or did someone do it for you?Lance— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@y…> wrote:>> I don’t have much of a problem raising the main on my F-33. I can pull it about 3/4 up with a wrap around the winch, then a few wraps, then then the handle, then low gear for the last few feet and tension. The final tension is probably difficult since the halyard attachment to the sail is too far forward to align properly with the halyard out of the sheave) The mizzen I can raise fully with a wrap on the winch and then use the handle to tension. Both are full batten with ISOMAT booms.> The sheaves at the masthead are harken ball bearing (this is probably the most important thing).> My current sails are 1998 North Dacron 8 ounce for the main and 6 for the mizzen with tapered battens.> The main has battslides. The intermediate slides are black allslip and ride on the track rails (have an H section) inside and out rather then then against the mast like the battslides. I don’t know if this is a plus or a minus.> Both sails drop immediately when I release the line clutches so there is clearly little friction or jamming when not under load. Do yours drop easily?> I’ve adjusted batten tension and thet has had little affect and ease of raising.> On the main I added some shackles to raise the height of the block at the base of the mast. I changed to a larger ball bearing model. I used some high tech line from the bottom of the block to a forward part of the mast collar to keep the line aligned with the mast exit when under load. The halyard no longer rubs on the eyebrow of bullseye and the angle around the block is less introducing less friction. This has worked well.> I spray the tracks with slideall once or twice a year.> For reefing I use harken ball bearing blocks at the luff for all reefs rather then running through the rings in the sail. They are attached to a ring on webbing. This has reduced the friction in the single line reefing significantly.> I also had the booms taken apart and found bird nests and a tangle of stuff, and replaced the line and blocks. Also removed the opposing blocks that supposedly lowered the luff and leech at the same time when reefing but mostly just added friction.> Reefing definitely requires winching even still.> I have a winch bit and DC drill. It works well but I never use it given how little I really need the second gear of the winch.> Hope this helps.> Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Powers > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main> > > I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It is > the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps some > other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.> > I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with Kenyon > booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would > improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.> > What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail > deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone lubricant.> > How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part of > my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the sail > some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on the > slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the batten > and see if that helps.> > I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK or do > most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What > have people replaced them with?> > I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end of > the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of friction. > I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done > this? What was the result?> > I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The lewmar > clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer to > the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so > there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.> > Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the same > issues.> > > Thanks,> Larry Powers> Barefoot Child, Hull #41> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.> > b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)

Jim:

Please send me the pics. I am leaving for the Bahamas
in a week in my “new” Freedom 30 #12. We have sailed
her very little…mostly working on plumbing, port
leaks, and battery issues. But during our trial sail
we found the main track slides very sticky in both
directions.

Thank you.

Fargo Rousseau
fargo_r@…

Posted by Larry Powers (lapowers57@…>)

You can send it to me at lapowers57@…


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From: “mdurki” <vaughan@…>
Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Raising The Main
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:51:34 -0000

I made a simple but very effective track lubricator that I have used
for years, but I have had no success posting a picture. (I keep
getting error messages.)

Send me your email address and I will pass it along.

Jim

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry Powers”
<lapowers57@h…> wrote:

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to
hard. It is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat.
Perhaps some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with
Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this
would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The
sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone
lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think
part of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give
the sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension
on the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on
the batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered
OK or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference?
What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore
end of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of
friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else
done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches.
The lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed
closer to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better
lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of
the same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41

Posted by Larry Powers (lapowers57@…>)

Thanks. I tried raising the block at the base of the main by adding a
shackle and found that the lead into the mast was bad. I may try you
solution before adding a roller guide to replace the bullseye.

My main does not drop freely when the clutch is released. On a good day it
drops about 2/3’s on a bad day only about 1/2.

Replacing the sheaves with ball bearing sheaves is probably a good idea.
Any idea what size they are. I have to pay the crane to hoist me up so I
would rather have the right sheave on the first trip. I have been replacing
the blocks with ball bearing blocks and this seem to help.

Lots of good ideas. Thanks again.

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From: “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@…>
Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:43:51 -0500

I don’t have much of a problem raising the main on my F-33. I can pull it
about 3/4 up with a wrap around the winch, then a few wraps, then then the
handle, then low gear for the last few feet and tension. The final tension
is probably difficult since the halyard attachment to the sail is too far
forward to align properly with the halyard out of the sheave) The mizzen I
can raise fully with a wrap on the winch and then use the handle to
tension. Both are full batten with ISOMAT booms.
The sheaves at the masthead are harken ball bearing (this is probably the
most important thing).
My current sails are 1998 North Dacron 8 ounce for the main and 6 for the
mizzen with tapered battens.
The main has battslides. The intermediate slides are black allslip and ride
on the track rails (have an H section) inside and out rather then then
against the mast like the battslides. I don’t know if this is a plus or a
minus.
Both sails drop immediately when I release the line clutches so there is
clearly little friction or jamming when not under load. Do yours drop
easily?
I’ve adjusted batten tension and thet has had little affect and ease of
raising.
On the main I added some shackles to raise the height of the block at the
base of the mast. I changed to a larger ball bearing model. I used some
high tech line from the bottom of the block to a forward part of the mast
collar to keep the line aligned with the mast exit when under load. The
halyard no longer rubs on the eyebrow of bullseye and the angle around the
block is less introducing less friction. This has worked well.
I spray the tracks with slideall once or twice a year.
For reefing I use harken ball bearing blocks at the luff for all reefs
rather then running through the rings in the sail. They are attached to a
ring on webbing. This has reduced the friction in the single line reefing
significantly.
I also had the booms taken apart and found bird nests and a tangle of
stuff, and replaced the line and blocks. Also removed the opposing blocks
that supposedly lowered the luff and leech at the same time when reefing
but mostly just added friction.
Reefing definitely requires winching even still.
I have a winch bit and DC drill. It works well but I never use it given how
little I really need the second gear of the winch.
Hope this helps.
Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Powers
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main

I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It
is
the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps
some
other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.

I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with
Kenyon
booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would
improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.

What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail
deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone
lubricant.

How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part
of
my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the
sail
some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on
the
slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the
batten
and see if that helps.

I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK
or do
most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What
have people replaced them with?

I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end
of
the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of
friction.
I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done
this? What was the result?

I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The
lewmar
clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer
to
the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so
there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.

Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the
same
issues.

Thanks,
Larry Powers
Barefoot Child, Hull #41


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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I don’t have the exact size of the sheave. I’d guess around 4".
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Powers
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main
Thanks. I tried raising the block at the base of the main by adding a shackle and found that the lead into the mast was bad. I may try you solution before adding a roller guide to replace the bullseye.My main does not drop freely when the clutch is released. On a good day it drops about 2/3’s on a bad day only about 1/2.Replacing the sheaves with ball bearing sheaves is probably a good idea. Any idea what size they are. I have to pay the crane to hoist me up so I would rather have the right sheave on the first trip. I have been replacing the blocks with ball bearing blocks and this seem to help.Lots of good ideas. Thanks again.>From: “Alan Kusinitz” <akusinitz@…>>Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>>Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main>Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:43:51 -0500>>I don’t have much of a problem raising the main on my F-33. I can pull it >about 3/4 up with a wrap around the winch, then a few wraps, then then the >handle, then low gear for the last few feet and tension. The final tension >is probably difficult since the halyard attachment to the sail is too far >forward to align properly with the halyard out of the sheave) The mizzen I >can raise fully with a wrap on the winch and then use the handle to >tension. Both are full batten with ISOMAT booms.>The sheaves at the masthead are harken ball bearing (this is probably the >most important thing).>My current sails are 1998 North Dacron 8 ounce for the main and 6 for the >mizzen with tapered battens.>The main has battslides. The intermediate slides are black allslip and ride >on the track rails (have an H section) inside and out rather then then >against the mast like the battslides. I don’t know if this is a plus or a >minus.>Both sails drop immediately when I release the line clutches so there is >clearly little friction or jamming when not under load. Do yours drop >easily?>I’ve adjusted batten tension and thet has had little affect and ease of >raising.>On the main I added some shackles to raise the height of the block at the >base of the mast. I changed to a larger ball bearing model. I used some >high tech line from the bottom of the block to a forward part of the mast >collar to keep the line aligned with the mast exit when under load. The >halyard no longer rubs on the eyebrow of bullseye and the angle around the >block is less introducing less friction. This has worked well.>I spray the tracks with slideall once or twice a year.>For reefing I use harken ball bearing blocks at the luff for all reefs >rather then running through the rings in the sail. They are attached to a >ring on webbing. This has reduced the friction in the single line reefing >significantly.>I also had the booms taken apart and found bird nests and a tangle of >stuff, and replaced the line and blocks. Also removed the opposing blocks >that supposedly lowered the luff and leech at the same time when reefing >but mostly just added friction.>Reefing definitely requires winching even still.>I have a winch bit and DC drill. It works well but I never use it given how >little I really need the second gear of the winch.>Hope this helps.>Alan F-33 Hull # 51 SEAPR>>> ----- Original Message -----> From: Larry Powers> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:55 AM> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main>>> I find raising the main on my F33 to be a real bit…, much to hard. It >is> the main thing that keeps me thinking about selling the boat. Perhaps >some> other owners can enlighten me as to tricks to improve sail raising.>> I am not the original owner and when I bought the boat it came with >Kenyon> booms with fully battened sails. I added batcars thinking this would> improve the ability to raise the sails but it has not helped.>> What techniques do people use to clean and lube the track? The sail> deffinitely goes up and down easier with the use of a silicone >lubricant.>> How much tension should the stays be under in the sleeve? I think part >of> my problem may be that I am putting enough tension on them to give the >sail> some shape. This causes the end of the batten to put some tension on >the> slide that supports it. Next season I want to try no tension on the >batten> and see if that helps.>> I still have the original winches on my boat. Are these considered OK >or do> most people find that replacing them makes a noticable difference? What> have people replaced them with?>> I feel that the bullseye guide that leads the halyard from the fore end >of> the cabin to the block at the base of the main mast is a source of >friction.> I have purchased a roller guide to replace this. Has anyone else done> this? What was the result?>> I have replaced the original line clutches with Lewmar clutches. The >lewmar> clutches are much nicer but are bulkier and had to be installed closer >to> the winch. I need to raises the clutches to give them a better lead so> there is less friction on the line as it exits the clutch.>> Next installment: Improved main sail reefing. Probably many of the >same> issues.>>> Thanks,> Larry Powers> Barefoot Child, Hull #41>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS>> a… Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web.>> b… To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> c… Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >Service.>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

Posted by Thomas Carlton (Finesse@…>)

Larry,
What kind of roller guide did you get? I am having the same problem. I think
most of the friction on my boat may be where the line crosses the teak eyebrow.
Thomas Carlton
L’Audace F-33 #66

— “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…> wrote:

From: “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…>
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:55:54 -0500
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main

Posted by Larry Powers (lapowers57@…>)

I purchased an over the top block by Schaefer. Here is a link to it at
Defender:

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|103371|311570|311646&id=112932

I haven’t installed it yet and have some concerns about line chafe.

I was also emailed about a different solution, raise the block at the foot
of the mast by using shackles until it is at the same height as the pad eye.
Then use a length of low stretch line attached to the forward side of the
mast base to keep it centered.

Good Luck

From: Thomas Carlton <Finesse@…>
Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:11:08 -0800 (PST)

Larry,
What kind of roller guide did you get? I am having the same problem. I
think most of the friction on my boat may be where the line crosses the
teak eyebrow.
Thomas Carlton
L’Audace F-33 #66

— “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…> wrote:

From: “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…>
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:55:54 -0500
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main

Posted by Thomas Carlton (Finesse@…>)

Larry,
Thanks. It certainly looks like it should work.
Thomas

— “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…> wrote:

From: “Larry Powers” <lapowers57@…>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:28:41 -0500
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Raising The Main