Posted by timothyslane (timothyslane@…>)
does anyone have experience of importing a freedom into Europe and
getting an RCD.
Posted by Ian Macpherson (muckingabout@…>)
Timothy
If by Europe you mean UK, Dick Durham from Yachting
Monthly has written a lot about the RCD issue, and you
could either e-mail him or look on their website for
back articles.
Also the RYA have prodcued a booklet and CD about the
whole RCD and CE issues.
Both these sources are now at the London Boat Show,
along with the MCA who also have a stand.
My impression is that it’s not quite as daunting as it
seems, providing Freedom can produce some data on the
angle of vanishing stability.
VAT is best paid in MAdiera, only 7%
Bon chance mon brave
Ian
— timothyslane <timothyslane@…> wrote:
does anyone have experience of importing a freedom
into Europe and
getting an RCD.
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “timothyslane”
<timothyslane@y…> wrote:
does anyone have experience of importing a freedom into Europe and
getting an RCD.
Tim,
I’m looking for an F40 / F44 in the US too and want to import it in
Europe (Netherlands). The RCD thing is quite misty, I found out. It
appears to be strict, but who is going to check whether your boat
conforms? As long as you don’t sell, there does not seem to be a
problem. Getting an EC-mark is expensive and involves more than
coughing up some stability figures. Especially boats with non
standards rigs and hulls have to be tested. The out-of-centreline
companionway of many freedoms poses a problem: stability is different
for port and starboard. Anyway, I don’t know what to make of all this
and don’t worry too much.
About VAT: You have to pay VAT upon entry in Europe, therefore you
can only pay VAT on the Azores or Madeira if you sail the boat
across. VAT on boats there is 12%, Madeira and Azores have three VAT
percentages, the lowest is NOT applicable on boats.
Portugal has an exellent website, here a quote from this website:
"
6. Rates
The tax rates (in Portugal, MC) are as follows:
A reduced rate of 5% (List I annexed to the Code);
An intermediate rate of 12% (List II annexed to the Code); and
A standard rate of 17%.
The reduced rate shall apply, in particular, to essential foodstuff
(cereals, meat, fish and shellfish, milk and dairy products, olive
oil, fruit and horticultural products), water, pharmaceuticals,
electricity, transport of passengers, shows and public entertainment,
accommodation in hotel units, and goods in connection with
agriculture (agricultural equipment and implement, motor cultivators,
tractors and other machinery exclusively or mainly intended for
agriculture, cattle-breeding and forestry, seeds, chemical
fertilisers, etc.).
The intermediate rate shall apply to cheese, yoghurts, comestible
oils and fats, canned meat, fish and shellfish, fruit and dried
fruit, coffee, mineral waters and services of restaurants (meals and
beverages).
The standard rate shall apply to all supplies of goods and services
not covered by the reduced or intermediate rates.
The above-mentioned rates are 4%, 8% and 12%, respectively, in
respect of those transactions which are deemed to take place in the
Autonomous Regions of Azores and Madeira, as well as importation
carried out therein.
"
If you ship the boat over, you have to pay VAT where the yacht is
landed. Germany and Spain have 15%, I believe.
Regards,
Mike
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I have no experience in this area, but I read the British boating publications every month (Yachting Monthly and Practical Boat Owner) and they regularly carry horror stories about importing used boats to the EU which do not comply with the RCD. There’s a fellow in GB who has a Baba 30 which he sailed from Australia to the UK and he can’t get an RCD A certificate unless he spends a small fortune. Again, I’m not an expert on this area, but I’d consult one before you buy. You may be able to get away without having an RCD, but I believe that you will not be able to subsequently sell the boat in the the EU without one.
Al Lorman
-----Original Message-----From: Michel Capel [mailto:mike_c_f35ck@…] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:50 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: RCDTim,I’m looking for an F40 / F44 in the US too and want to import it in Europe (Netherlands). The RCD thing is quite misty, I found out. It appears to be strict, but who is going to check whether your boat conforms? As long as you don’t sell, there does not seem to be a problem. Getting an EC-mark is expensive and involves more than coughing up some stability figures. Especially boats with non standards rigs and hulls have to be tested. The out-of-centreline companionway of many freedoms poses a problem: stability is different for port and starboard. Anyway, I don’t know what to make of all this and don’t worry too much.About VAT: You have to pay VAT upon entry in Europe, therefore you can only pay VAT on the Azores or Madeira if you sail the boat across. VAT on boats there is 12%, Madeira and Azores have three VAT percentages, the lowest is 7% and is NOT applicable on boats. Portugal has an exelent website, here a quote from this website:"6. RatesThe tax rates (in Portugal, MC) are as follows:A reduced rate of 5% (List I annexed to the Code);An intermediate rate of 12% (List II annexed to the Code); andA standard rate of 17%.The reduced rate shall apply, in particular, to essential foodstuff (cereals, meat, fish and shellfish, milk and dairy products, olive oil, fruit and horticultural products), water, pharmaceuticals, electricity, transport of passengers, shows and public entertainment, accommodation in hotel units, and goods in connection with agriculture (agricultural equipment and implement, motor cultivators, tractors and other machinery exclusively or mainly intended for agriculture, cattle-breeding and forestry, seeds, chemical fertilisers, etc.).The intermediate rate shall apply to cheese, yoghurts, comestible oils and fats, canned meat, fish and shellfish, fruit and dried fruit, coffee, mineral waters and services of restaurants (meals and beverages).The standard rate shall apply to all supplies of goods and services not covered by the reduced or intermediate rates.The above-mentioned rates are 4%, 8% and 12%, respectively, in respect of those transactions which are deemed to take place in the Autonomous Regions of Azores and Madeira, as well as importation carried out therein."If you ship the boat over, you have to pay VAT where the yacht is landed. Germany and Spain have 15%, I believe.Regards,Mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “timothyslane” <timothyslane@y…> wrote:> > does anyone have experience of importing a freedom into Europe and > getting an RCD.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Posted by gjschouten (schouten@…>)
Hi Mike,
One can add that boats 12m and longer are considered “sea ships” and
no import duty required. Below 12m you pay 2 percent import duty.
Also if you have your new baby shipped to Europe expect to pay VAT on
the value of the boat plus the value of the freight.
If your boat is <12m then it works like this: value of the boat plus
2% then VAT over the sum, plus VAT over the freight.
We are in the wrong business, I am going to start a country and then
also collect tax on everything.
Cheers,
Gio
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “timothyslane”
<timothyslane@y…> wrote:does anyone have experience of importing a freedom into Europe and
getting an RCD.Tim,
I’m looking for an F40 / F44 in the US too and want to import it in
Europe (Netherlands). The RCD thing is quite misty, I found out. It
appears to be strict, but who is going to check whether your boat
conforms? As long as you don’t sell, there does not seem to be a
problem. Getting an EC-mark is expensive and involves more than
coughing up some stability figures. Especially boats with non
standards rigs and hulls have to be tested. The out-of-centreline
companionway of many freedoms poses a problem: stability is different
for port and starboard. Anyway, I don’t know what to make of all this
and don’t worry too much.About VAT: You have to pay VAT upon entry in Europe, therefore you
can only pay VAT on the Azores or Madeira if you sail the boat
across. VAT on boats there is 12%, Madeira and Azores have three VAT
percentages, the lowest is NOT applicable on boats.Portugal has an exellent website, here a quote from this website:
"
6. RatesThe tax rates (in Portugal, MC) are as follows:
A reduced rate of 5% (List I annexed to the Code);
An intermediate rate of 12% (List II annexed to the Code); and
A standard rate of 17%.The reduced rate shall apply, in particular, to essential foodstuff
(cereals, meat, fish and shellfish, milk and dairy products, olive
oil, fruit and horticultural products), water, pharmaceuticals,
electricity, transport of passengers, shows and public entertainment,
accommodation in hotel units, and goods in connection with
agriculture (agricultural equipment and implement, motor cultivators,
tractors and other machinery exclusively or mainly intended for
agriculture, cattle-breeding and forestry, seeds, chemical
fertilisers, etc.).
The intermediate rate shall apply to cheese, yoghurts, comestible
oils and fats, canned meat, fish and shellfish, fruit and dried
fruit, coffee, mineral waters and services of restaurants (meals and
beverages).
The standard rate shall apply to all supplies of goods and services
not covered by the reduced or intermediate rates.The above-mentioned rates are 4%, 8% and 12%, respectively, in
respect of those transactions which are deemed to take place in the
Autonomous Regions of Azores and Madeira, as well as importation
carried out therein.
"If you ship the boat over, you have to pay VAT where the yacht is
landed. Germany and Spain have 15%, I believe.Regards,
Mike
Posted by jabina3free (jabina3free@…>)
I have put a list over organisations who is certified to do the
tests for the RCD (CE) Certificate in (Files section)(PDF format).
I have only talked to the Norwegian DNV, because they have an office
in Sweden. Maybe someone who speak and write English/France/Germany
can talk to some other offices in the other countries, then we can see
where it is cheapest to import a boat. “DNV Sweden About 1100 Euro for
a 40 feet boat”.
Svante.