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Yes

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Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 14:12
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Digest Number 393



There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

  1. Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder
    member
    From: mail@…
  2. freedom owners group
    From: thainc1@…
  3. Freedom owners club
    From: andyandbarbara@…
  4. Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder
    member
    From: “msheehan1” <msheehan1@…>
  5. New Owners Group
    From: “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
  6. Re: New Owners Group
    From: George Fisher <wildenergyfreedom2007@…>
  7. Re: New Owners Group
    From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@…>
  8. Name
    From: “William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…>
  9. Freedom Owners Foirum
    From: Robert Brown <bob.brown@…>
  10. Re: New Owners Group
    From: “Michael G Katz” <mgkatz@…>
  11. Every discussion needs a guy asking a really DUMB question. OK…
    From: “rick_simonds” <rick_simonds@…>
  12. Re: New Owners Group
    From: Mike Kovacic <sailslakemichigan@…>
  13. Re: New Owners Group
    From: “georgas.nj” <georgas.nj@…>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:09:12 -0000
From: mail@…
Subject: Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder
member


yes




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:15:58 EST
From: thainc1@…
Subject: freedom owners group

yes


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:32:17 EST
From: andyandbarbara@…
Subject: Freedom owners club

Me too - but I’m in the UK; how would that work?
Barbara Hindley
Freedom 21


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:21:58 -0000
From: “msheehan1” <msheehan1@…>
Subject: Re: New home for Freedom Owners forum, Join it and be a founder
member


YES

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

As I noted earlier, I’d be happy to get it started if there is
enough interest. I’m not sure how many “enough” is, but so far
fewer than a dozen have expressed interest. So let me propose
this: if you’d be interested in joining a Freedom owners
association at a cost not to exceed $40 a year, please respond to
this with a simple “Yes.”

I’ve already sent off an email to Freedom Yachts.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: lance_ryley [mailto:lance_ryley@y…]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:53 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners
forum, Join it and be a founder member

I’m definitely in favor of an owner’s association as well. Having
some regionalized Freedom Owners’ cruises during the season, I
think,
would be a lot of fun.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

I’m willing to help as well.
One difference between the nonsuch community is the much greater
variation in models so although overall number of boats may be
similar the number of each model probably is less. I don’t think
this makes it a no go though.
The idea of contacting Freedom is good one once we have enough
volunteers and a concept.
Alan Kusinitz, F-33 Hull #51
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, George Fisher
<wildenergyfreedom2007@y…> wrote:

I am interested and will help if you take the lead. We should
try
and get Freedom involved. Let me know the next steps.

“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:Well, since I opened
up
this subject, I’ll volunteer to help get it going IF there’s
sufficient interest. However, thus far there seems to have been
quite restrained enthusiasm on this board. Perhaps, to borrow a
phrase from Grouch Marx, Freedom owners won’t join any club that
will take them.

Al Lorman

-----Original Message-----
From: dfcreedon@a… [mailto:dfcreedon@a…]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:28 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners forum, Join it and be a founder member

An owners association would be great. How would the group
propose
getting it off the ground?

From: “Doug Payne” <doug.payne@t…>
Date: 2004/11/18 Thu PM 01:16:18 EST
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners
forum, Join it and be a founder member

I would also support the idea of an owners association.
Would
lead
potentially to even better communication among members, more
resources,
we could post a lot more stuff, and ultimately it should
help
the value
of our boats. Freedom’s are a tuff sell on the front end
until
you get
in deep to what the boats represent. It could help us get
people
over
those initial concerns. It would be a lot of work to
organize
probably

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-----Original Message-----
From: akusinitz [mailto:akusinitz@y…]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:44 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom Owners
forum, Join
it and be a founder member

I would support the idea of an owners association. I would
not
rush
to a non-funded single owner administered website/bulletin
board.
Do you know what the membership fees and services provided
by
the
nonsuch association are?
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

I believe that Manrique’s idea of using the new web site
as
the
first step toward a Freedom owners association is a good
one,
whether or not the site takes off. My Freedom 30 is my
third
boat
and the first which did not have at least one owners group
associated with it. It seems to me that an owners group is
especially important when the builder (although not all of
its
employees) has essentially abandoned the owners. There are
about a
thousand Nonsuchs out there, and about 70 percent belong the
International Nonsuch Association. I used to think that
those
who
were independent enough to own a boat with an unstayed mast
were
too
independent to join an association, but the INA proves me
wrong
(unless there’s a metaphysical difference between aluminum
and
carbon fiber). Besides the help it could provide all of us,
an
active owners association can help maintain the value of out
of
production boats.

Al Lorman

-----Original Message-----
From: Manrique Feoli [mailto:manrique.feoli@k…]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:48 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners
forum, Join it and be a founder member

You are right Bill, I could fix this since I’m in the
process
of
building
the site, but… , I kind of agree with your reasons
(and
others
too).

been the developper of the new site, I really don’t mind
if
IT IS
or IT IS
NOT chosen to be THE official home, I really thought
originally I
could
help the “community” with some extra services, most of
them
still
to come
since I launched the site in a somewhat early stage of
development,
The original idea was of this being the first step to,
passed
some
time and
gathering and waking up more users, create a “Freedom Boat
Owners
Association”, in which case I would donate the name and
the
site
to the
association… , (or have a new domain name for the
association
and keep
all the work of this site and just modify it to the new
name).

But I tell you what, this kind of things are born
naturally
or
not
at all,
I’ll keep the new site up as an extra services source for
whoever
needs it
either Freedom user or not, I would personally feel less
commited
anyway
since now would be a personal project more than
a “property”
the
group, and
we can all keep posting on the yahoo site as we have been
doing
for the last
year or so.

As a personal thing I’ll try to take some of my time to
build
interesting
features on the site (as long as doesn’t interfere with my
sailing
time of
course), like following up Ocean Racers, and
circumnavigators
and, if
possible, have private sponsors to organize events to
users
of
Freedom,
Hunter, divers or whatever the new orientation of the site
is.

I’ll keep the yahoo Freedom mailing list posted of new
features in
case
anyone would like to to pop in at www.SailorsPub.com .
By
the
way thanks
to the ones that kindly registered.

I’m still open for anyone’s help, advices or very gentle
criticisms, if
anyone wants to join this “now new” project of developing
a
sailing portal
at www.SailorsPub.com .

regards to all

Manrique

-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Cormack [mailto:wacormack@w…]
Sent: miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2004 11:45
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners
forum,
Join it and be a founder member

I’m not sure of the advantages either but do know of a
disadvantage. You
have to click on a link and wait for a page to load in
order
to
see the
message and the subject of the message is not visible
prior
to
doing this.

Call me an old Yankee if you will but:
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I vote to keep the same (old) way.

Bill

William A. Cormack, CPA
Principal and Chief Financial Officer
Whelan Associates, LLC, a Corporate Real Estate Service
firm
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500 Faunce Corner Road, Suite 150
North Dartmouth, MA 02747
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----- Original Message -----
From: “merliseclyde” <clyde@s…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners
forum, Join it
and be a founder member

You can also follow threads; just click on threads at
the
upper
or
lower right hand side of the screen to sort messages by
threads
rather
than date.

I am not sure of the advantages of the new site.

Merlise
Cassiopeia (Freedom 35)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “William A.
Cormack”
<wacormack@w…> wrote:

I agree with Al. Switching sites is no fun.

In addition, you can search the yahoo site. At the
bottom
of the
opening
page at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/
enter
what
you want
to find in the search window and hit search. It
searches
the
text of
messages as well as the subjects.

Bill

William A. Cormack, CPA
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firm
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----- Original Message -----
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:31 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: New home for Freedom
Owners
forum,
Join it
and be a founder member

I applaud your willingness to help improve Freedom
owner
resources.
However I think it is best to leave the site where it
is.
First, the key is having a single site with the most
active
members.
As I understand it Freedom Yachts links to the yahoo
site
and
most
search engines find this.
Second, it is best not rely on a single owners
intereste
and
continuing generosity in maintaining/administering
the
site.
Yahoo
does a good job, is stable and the ads are to me a
minor
nuisance in
exchange for a free site with no fee so there is
little
barrier to
join.
Now if someone wanted to spend the time going though
the
messages in
the archives and current ones and grouping them into
a
manual
for
posting on the database…
My two cents anyway.
Alan F-33 Hull 51

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Manrique
Feoli”
<manrique.feoli@k…> wrote:

Hi all

As a freedom owner I have to recognize that the
activity
in
this
group has
been more than interesting in the last few months,
specially when
it comes
to sharing experiences of other users. I’ve really
learned
so
much.

I have noticed however that, it is somewhat hard to
follow
up on
particular
issues since they all come via email or are stored
in
the
web both
on a
separate way each reply from the other, as well as
it
is
not easy
to post
images and other interesting things.

To make a long story short a few weeks back I
decided
to
offer my
small
contribution to the Freedom owners and set up a new
site
forum for
Freedom
lovers, owners, so that we could all have some more
services
and
easy of
use. If the initiative goes well and we all suport
it
with
our
comments,
we will all have an interesting place to visit soon.

For example the forum will accept images on the
threads,
each
thread may
be viewed with all it’s all answers on a single
place,
each
user
may post
photos, classifieds, wheather info, and many more.

The site is currently working, I am doing a lot of
changes
in my
free time
to improve it but would like to have your feedback
and
help
if
possible,
the idea is that the site wold be a place for
Freedom
Users
to
come and
share.

I extend an invitation to anyone who wants to help
so
that
we’ll
soon have a
nice site, remember this kind of sites are more
interesting
if
more people
comes in, so let your friends know of it please
(there
is a
place for non
freedom users too).

Also, the current moderator of the group at yahoo
is
welcome to
be a
moderator in this new site, just let me know to
mfeoli@y…,
also any
one else who thinks can take a few minutes a day and
want’s
to
help can ask
to be a moderator.

TIP:
the site is VERY MUCH better if viewed by a
registered
user,
unregistered
users will only see parts of it, (for example
wont
see
wheather
block and
others) so sign up quickly,

The site has almost no users now we are planning to
register
as
Founder’s to
the first 10 to 20 users signed in, for whatever
benefit
that
could be in
the future.

well too much talk… to visit the site:
www.sailorspub.com

I’m looking into ways of porting all that valuable
information of
the yahoo
forum to set it up on a common knoledge section on
the
site, if
anyone has
the previous forum backups that could be of great
help
too.

Hope this initiative does good to all

Manrique Feoli
Freedom 33 Hull No19

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:27:00 -0000
From: “ajlorman” <ajlorman@…>
Subject: New Owners Group


Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:35:44 -0800 (PST)
From: George Fisher <wildenergyfreedom2007@…>
Subject: Re: New Owners Group

I vote for International Freedom Owners Association. Let me know what I can
do to help.

ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:
Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:41:08 -0000
From: “akusinitz” <akusinitz@…>
Subject: Re: New Owners Group


I’m for the first or second to keep it short. However, if folks
think the international is needed like the nonsuch folks did that’s
ok. More important in some ways will be the website domain name.

I checked for domain names and freedomowners.org and .com are
available and freedomyachts.org is available (but maybe we should
stay away from this since its so close to freedomyachts.com.
Once the nonprofit is formed we can register a domain name to it
with our initial contributions or via startup “loans” or donations
from founding members.

Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@y…>
wrote:

Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need
their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there
are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider
organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:52:22 -0500
From: “William A. Cormack” <wacormack@…>
Subject: Name

My vote: Freedom Yachts Owners Association

William A. Cormack, CPA
Principal and Chief Financial Officer
Whelan Associates, LLC, a Corporate Real Estate Service firm
100 Faunce Corner Executive Center
500 Faunce Corner Road, Suite 150
North Dartmouth, MA 02747
Voice: 508-984-4100, Fax: 508-984-4101, Cell 508-254-5828
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:53:41 -0500
From: Robert Brown <bob.brown@…>
Subject: Freedom Owners Foirum

Yes.

Bob Brown, “Carina”, Freedom 32




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:31:46 -0700
From: “Michael G Katz” <mgkatz@…>
Subject: Re: New Owners Group

Freedom Yachts Owners Association–plain and simple.
----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] New Owners Group



Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:18:51 -0000
From: “rick_simonds” <rick_simonds@…>
Subject: Every discussion needs a guy asking a really DUMB question. OK…


Today, I’m that guy.

What exactly is an “Owners Association?”




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Kovacic <sailslakemichigan@…>
Subject: Re: New Owners Group

Short and sweet does it for me…

Freedom Owners Association

ajlorman <ajlorman@…> wrote:

Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:12:06 -0500
From: “georgas.nj” <georgas.nj@…>
Subject: Re: New Owners Group

Yes and Freedom Yacht Owners Assoc
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] New Owners Group

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Well, there seems to be sufficient interest in forming an owners
association for me to suggest that we move to the next step:
picking a name. Once we do, I’ll file not-for-proft incorporation
papers. So, should be become:

Freedom Owners Association
Freedom Yachts Owners Association
International Freedom Owners Association
International Freedom Yachts Owners Association
Association of Freedom Yacht Owners

Or something else? (the Stayless Spar Society?)

I’ve already made initial contact with Freedom, as we may need their
permission to use the name.

There have been a few questions about how European owners can
participate. Since most of the work of the association would
presumably be done electronically, there seems to be little
difficulty in being a truly international association. If there are
a substantial number of non-US owners, we could consider organizing
a sub-group, if there’s interest.

Cast your vote for the name.

Al
F30 Ab Initio

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