Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
Yep.
Scott
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Posted by Kevin Taylor (kevin683@…>)
Hi,This question is going to sound like it is coming from a complete Freedom noob and, well, it is. :-)Last year someone had suggested slackening the lazy jacks of my F32 Hoyt in order to make it easier to raise the fully battened main sail. This sounds like a great idea. I was checking out this idea this past Sunday while the boat is on the hard. But, it seems that with no main sail rigged yet, the lazy jacks are the only thing supporting the boom. When I loosened the lazy jacks enough, the aft end of the boom eventually just rested on the cabin top.
This implies that with the main rigged, only the main and lazy jacks will be supporting the boom.Does this sound correct?Thanks,–KevinS/V Sway
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
And which is why a rigid boom vang is a great addition.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue May 01 22:01:09 2007
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F32 Boom Support
Hi,
This question is going to sound like it is coming from a complete Freedom noob and, well, it is. 
Last year someone had suggested slackening the lazy jacks of my F32 Hoyt in order to make it easier to raise the fully battened main sail. This sounds like a great idea. I was checking out this idea this past Sunday while the boat is on the hard. But, it seems that with no main sail rigged yet, the lazy jacks are the only thing supporting the boom. When I loosened the lazy jacks enough, the aft end of the boom eventually just rested on the cabin top.
This implies that with the main rigged, only the main and lazy jacks will be supporting the boom.
Does this sound correct?
Thanks,
–Kevin
S/V Sway
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Posted by Kevin Taylor (kevin683@…>)
Scott,When tied up to the dock, what do you do to get the sail cover over the main, without pinching the sail? Do you use the main halyard as a topping lift to ease the strain on the lazy jacks enough to get the sail cover on?
Thx,On 5/1/07, jsforgey@… <jsforgey@…> wrote:
Yep.
Scott
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Posted by Kevin Taylor (kevin683@…>)
Scott,Also, just to confirm, easing the lazy jacks to make raising the main easier (avoid battens getting tangled up) is not possible without a rigid boom vang?On 5/1/07,
jsforgey@… <jsforgey@…> wrote:
Yep.
Scott
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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
How do I get the mainsail cover on without pinching the sail?
First, I keep the main sheet a bit loose so that I can reach down and hold the boom up with one arm to give the slack sufficient to get the cover under the lazy jack. That pretty much covers the task for me.
Also, it is helpful to mind the flaking (folding) of the sail as it comes down. When I am sailing with my wife or kids I have them go forward and perfectly flake the sail on the way down. I remind them that since they are going to put the cover on, it will be in their best interests.
Good luck,
Scott Forgey
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Posted by William A. Cormack (wacormack@…>)
That’s what I do on my F36.
Because I lack the rigid vang I worry about a lazy jack letting go and dropping the boom in the cockpit. I move everyone back beyond reach of the boom until the halyard lifts the boom.
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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 05/02/2007 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] F32 Boom Support
Scott,When tied up to the dock, what do you do to get the sail cover over the main, without pinching the sail? Do you use the main halyard as a topping lift to ease the strain on the lazy jacks enough to get the sail cover on? Thx,
On 5/1/07, jsforgey@aol.com <jsforgey@aol.com> wrote:
Yep.
Scott
Girlfriend
Hoyt 32
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
The lazy jacks do indeed support the boom. Many of us use the main halyard
as a topping lift when we’re at anchor or moored to take tension off the
lazy jacks and raise the boom a bit. When raising the fully battened main,
you need to be headed directly into the wind and raise quickly so that the
first two battens don’t get tangled in the lazyjacks. After those 2, it’s
not so bad. You get used to it after awhile.
Good luck.
TW F32 #20
At 10:05 PM 5/1/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Yep.
Scott
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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid
boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the
price is quite reasonable.
Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main
sheet?
Lance
Bright Star
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star
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Posted by Kevin Taylor (kevin683@…>)
Just the factory installed boom vang.On 5/2/07, lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid
boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the
price is quite reasonable.
Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main
sheet?
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Al, How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that? Sward “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote: I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Sward:
Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer rigid boom vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32 are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.
As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black, comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom, instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom; the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward. This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and recleat.
Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:59 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Al,
How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that?
Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Al, I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat, made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t satisfactory for me. Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote: Sward: Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer rigid boom vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32 are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you. As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black, comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on the boom cleat where the line
originally started. You’ll need a longer piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom, instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom; the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward. This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and recleat. Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:59 PMTo:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Al, How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that? Sward “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote: I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Origin al Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I will do my best to remember to take my camera to the boat within the next few days.
Al
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Al,
I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat, made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t satisfactory for me.
Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sward:
Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32 are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.
As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black, comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom, instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom; the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward. This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and recleat.
Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Al,
How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that?
Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio!
-----Origin al Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Sward:
Photos don’t do much, as you can’t see the whole setup. Instead, I’ve revised the F32 lazy jack diagram that came with the owner’s manual and I’ve posted my revision in the Files section (Revised Lazy Jacks). I think that the diagram plus my prior description should make the setup clear.
Al
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Al,
I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat, made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t satisfactory for me.
Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sward:
Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32 are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.
As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black, comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom, instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom; the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward. This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and recleat.
Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Al,
How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that?
Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio!
-----Origin al Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks so much Al, that will be a great help, Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote: Sward: Photos don’t do much, as you can’t see the whole setup. Instead, I’ve revised the F32 lazy jack diagram
that came with the owner’s manual and I’ve posted my revision in the Files section (Revised Lazy Jacks). I think that the diagram plus my prior description should make the setup clear. Al -----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Al, I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat, made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t satisfactory for me. Sward"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote: Sward: Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as
complicated as installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32 are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you. As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black, comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up to the starboard block. When the line comes
back down to the boom, instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom; the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward. This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and recleat. Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Al, How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find it almost
impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like that? Sward “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com> wrote: I
installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio! -----Origin al Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lance_ryleySent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the Garhauer rigid boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat stuff – the price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging through the main sheet?LanceBright Star IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or
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Posted by celij (junk@…>)
Hello all,
New F28 cat ketch owner here. Trying to put her in the water in the
next week or two. We are based out of Buzzards Bay in MA.
I wanted to ask if the Garhauer vang has a “kit” (parts or something
that connect to the mast plate and boom) that I can buy to easily to
install the vang. Any comments on installation are appreciated.
Thanks - john
Amatuana III
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
Sward:
Photos don’t do much, as you can’t see the whole setup. Instead, I’ve
revised the F32 lazy jack diagram that came with the owner’s manual and
I’ve posted my revision in the Files section (Revised Lazy Jacks). I
think that the diagram plus my prior description should make the setup
clear.Al
-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom SupportAl,
I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat,
made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the
boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get
them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t
satisfactory for me.Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
Sward:
Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer
rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as
installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32
are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under
the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black,
comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a
fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on
the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer
piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume
that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it
up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up
to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom,
instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a
cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the
boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new
cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy
jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom;
the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward.
This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and
recleat.Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If
it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom SupportAl,
How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find
it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting
caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower
the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before
I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a
track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at
the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken
track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that
to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like
that?Sward
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it
still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid
vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be
loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
!-----Origin al Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom SupportPractical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the
Garhauer rigid
boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat
stuff – the
price is quite reasonable.Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging
through the main
sheet?Lance
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Garhauer will make a custom collar (at extra cost) to attach to the mast and will make a custom fitting for the boom at no extra charge.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of celijSent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:21 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support
Hello all,New F28 cat ketch owner here. Trying to put her in the water in thenext week or two. We are based out of Buzzards Bay in MA.I wanted to ask if the Garhauer vang has a “kit” (parts or somethingthat connect to the mast plate and boom) that I can buy to easily toinstall the vang. Any comments on installation are appreciated.Thanks - johnAmatuana III— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”<ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Sward:> > Photos don’t do much, as you can’t see the whole setup. Instead, I’ve> revised the F32 lazy jack diagram that came with the owner’s manual and> I’ve posted my revision in the Files section (Revised Lazy Jacks). I> think that the diagram plus my prior description should make the setup> clear.> > Al> > > -----Original Message-----> From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PM> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > > Al,> > I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on my boat,> made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release block on the> boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them to get> them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t> satisfactory for me.> > Sward> > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:> > Sward:> > Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer> rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as> installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks on the 32> are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.> > As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under> the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended black,> comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the boom through a> fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and terminates on> the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need a longer> piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. Let’s assume> that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom forward, run it> up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the boom and up> to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom,> instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it through a> cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft end of the> boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off at a new> cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy> jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of the boom;> the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines forward.> This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I pull back in and> recleat. > > Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If> it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > -----Original Message-----> From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward> Sent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PM> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > Al,> > How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find> it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top battens getting> caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward to lower> the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay there before> I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me about a> track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was looking at> the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece of Harken> track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines attached to that> to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like> that?> > Sward> > > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:> > I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it> still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you have a rigid> vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that they can be> loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> ! > > -----Origin al Message-----> From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PM> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the> Garhauer rigid > boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat> stuff – the > price is quite reasonable.> > Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging> through the main > sheet?> > Lance> Bright Star> > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as> to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,> Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for> the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax> law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting,> marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan> or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to> support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown,> Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers> should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from> an independent tax advisor.> > This email and any files transmitted with it are> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are> addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the> system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.>
Posted by jlittle@… (jlittle@…)
Hi John
I have a 39 Express and purchased two Garhauer vangs several years ago. Somewhere in the old Group is a detailed description of how I mounted.
You can purchase a SS collar from Garhauer or if you have the aluminum mast collar with 3/4" thick bails as I suspect all Freedoms have you could ask Mark Garhauer to make up a small SS fitting that bolts directly to the bail and then receives the lower end of the vang. Mark was very accomodating and custom made fitting to my design. Have him refer to the piece he made for John Little, about five years ago. I’m not very good at posting pictures but if you need I could mail you a picture of the piece I’m referring to.
John Little
WINK ----- Original Message -----From: celij Date: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:21 pmSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom SupportTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Hello all,> > New F28 cat ketch owner here. Trying to put her in the water in the> next week or two. We are based out of Buzzards Bay in MA.> > I wanted to ask if the Garhauer vang has a “kit” (parts or something> that connect to the mast plate and boom) that I can buy to > easily to> install the vang. Any comments on installation are appreciated.> > Thanks - john> Amatuana III> > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”> wrote:> >> > Sward:> > > > Photos don’t do much, as you can’t see the whole setup. > Instead, I’ve> > revised the F32 lazy jack diagram that came with the owner’s > manual and> > I’ve posted my revision in the Files section (Revised Lazy > Jacks). I> > think that the diagram plus my prior description should make > the setup> > clear.> > > > Al> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > > > > > > Al,> > > > I would like to see pictures if you can. A rigger that was on > my boat,> > made 2 lazy jack lines and put a line with a quick release > block on the> > boom, next to the mast to pull the lines back and attach them > to get> > them out of the way. It seemed like a good idea, but it still isn’t> > satisfactory for me.> > > > Sward> > > > “Lorman, Alvin J.” wrote:> > > > Sward:> > > > Indeed, I did re-rig my lazy jacks after installing a Garhauer> > rigid boom ! vang, and it doesn’t take anything as complicated as> > installing track on the boom. I believe that the lazy jacks > on the 32> > are the same as on the 30, so my fix should work for you.> > > > As originally rigged, the lazy jack line starts at a cleat under> > the forward end of the boom, goes up and through the suspended > black,> comes down to the aft end of the boom, goes under the > boom through a> > fitting, then goes up to the block on the other side and > terminates on> > the boom cleat where the line originally started. You’ll need > a longer> > piece of line, a small cheek block and a few eye straps. > Let’s assume> > that you start the lazy jack on the cleat under the boom > forward, run it> > up to the port block, back to the aft end and then under the > boom and up> > to the starboard block. When the line comes back down to the boom,> > instead of cleating it off as in the original setup, I ran it > through a> > cheek block mounted on the boom, then ran the line to the aft > end of the> > boom through a few eye straps, and then cleated the line off > at a new> > cleat at the aft end of the boom. When I want to release the lazy> > jacks, I just release the line at the cleat at the aft end of > the boom;> > the weight of the suspended blocks is enough to pull the lines > forward.> This creates enough slack to raise the main, then I > pull back in and> > recleat. > > > > Rereading this, it sounds much more complicated than it is. If> > it is not clear, I’ll take some photos this weekend.> > > > Al Lorman> > F30 Ab Initio> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02,! 2007 9:59 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > > > > Al,> > > > How have you done that? I have the rigid boom vang and I find> > it almost impossible to haul the sail up without the top > battens getting> > caught, since In singlehand. I’m always having to go forward > to lower> > the sail and try to get th batten in place and make it stay > there before> > I get back to haul it some more. Mark said something to me > about a> > track for the lazy jacks. While I was sailing today, I was > looking at> > the situation and the only thing I could think of was a piece > of Harken> > track on the sides of the boom with the lazy jack lines > attached to that> > to haul back when you want them to. Has anyone done anything like> > that?> > > > Sward> > > > > > “Lorman, Alvin J.” wrote:> > > > I installed the Garhauer vang 3 years ago. I believe it> > still costs $253 plus about $150 for the collar. When you > have a rigid> > vang, you can re-rig the lazy jacks, as I’ve done, so that > they can be> > loosened while raising the main to avoid snagging the battens.> > > > Al Lorman> > F30 Ab Initio> > ! > > > > -----Origin al Message-----> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryley> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:53 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: F32 Boom Support> > > > > > Practical Sailor last year gave very high marks to the> > Garhauer rigid > > boom vang, and – and you don’t say this about much boat> > stuff – the > > price is quite reasonable.> > > > Does your F32 have any vang, or is all the vanging> > through the main > > sheet?> > > > Lance> > Bright Star> > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as> > to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender > or Mayer,> > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any > taxpayer for> > the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed > under U.S. tax> > law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in > promoting,> marketing or recommending a partnership or other > entity, investment plan> > or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was > written to> > support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than > Mayer, Brown,> > Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such > taxpayers> should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular > circumstances from> > an independent tax advisor.> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are> > addressed. If you have received this email in error please > notify the> > system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not> > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> >> > >