Re: Fuel gauge question?---Fuel consumption

Posted by mdurki (vaughan@…>)

As I read this you are saying that you get 2 hours per gallon. My
expereince is much more on the order of 4 hours per gallon. ???

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Don:

Welcome to the Freedom lovers list.

I have a 1987 F30 as well. I’m not entirely sure of what you mean
when
you say that the fuel gauge is starting to show some red. The
gauge, if
it is the same as mine, is a mechanical gauge that is bolted onto
the
top of the tank. They are, at best, casually accurate. Under the
gauge, there is a vertical metal fitting which holds a float. As
the
fuel level rises and falls, the float rises and falls, which cause a
spring to move the visible gauge. To the best of my knowledge,
they are
not calibrated, so any odd shaped tank does not give a true
reading.

Depending on how much you use your engine, there are three
approaches.
The tank, if I recall correctly, is 20 gallons. First, simply
unscrew
the gauge and take the whole assembly to a chandlery and buy a
replacement. Second, it you use the engine a lot, fill the tank
completely, and then keep track of how long the engine is running.
The
engine uses about 1/2 gallon an hour. (I recently helped deliver a
boat
from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD, mostly under power, and this is
the
method the professional delivery captain used.) If you just use the
engine to get into and out of your slip and such, you can simply
put a
gallon of fuel in every time or every other time you use the boat.
I
never let my gauge get below 1/4 full, but I fill it on the time
used
rather than what the gauge says.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
kollegewidgwock
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:06 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Fuel gauge question?

I’m having trouble reading the fuel gauge on my 1987 Freedom 30. I
would appreciate any suggestions from the group regarding some
(simple?) way to determine how much diesel fuel is left in the tank.
The gauge has a flange which is secured to the top of the tank with
a phillips head screw on top of a small cyclindrical housing and
then four hex head bolts around the flange and then a slotted screw
next to the phillips which completes the circle.
On the clear plastic lens which is attached to the flange by two
phillips more head screws is a nut which looks to be situated
between “full” and “empty” indicators. The face of the dial is
beginning to show some red where it once showed “full”.
Can this gauge be removed in order to insert a dipstick? If so, how?
If this question seems too confusing or complicated for the group,
please send a private email to dlynch@…
mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu
This is our first summer sailing “Solitude” out of Blue Hill, Maine
and we are really enjoying it but I still have alot to learn about
her systems beyond her sails.
Thanks in advance for your kind response.
Don

Dr. Donald Lynch
Associate Professor of Psychology
Unity College-in-Maine
dlynch@… mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu

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Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)

I carefully measured fuel consumption on a recent
trip. At 3000 RPM (6KTS) I go through about 1/2 gallon
per hour. At 2000 RPM (5KTS)it was more like a quart
per hour, hell, that’s better mileage than my car! I
imagine every boat is a bit different depending on
bottom and prop but I am a happy camper with four
hours of steaming on a gallon of fuel. Somehow this
makes you feel better about the world. Don’t know why.
I guess its similar to getting by on a gallon or two
of water consumption a day and maybe 120 watts.

— mdurki <vaughan@…> wrote:

As I read this you are saying that you get 2 hours
per gallon. My
expereince is much more on the order of 4 hours per
gallon. ???

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman,
Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Don:

Welcome to the Freedom lovers list.

I have a 1987 F30 as well. I’m not entirely sure
of what you mean
when
you say that the fuel gauge is starting to show
some red. The
gauge, if
it is the same as mine, is a mechanical gauge that
is bolted onto
the
top of the tank. They are, at best, casually
accurate. Under the
gauge, there is a vertical metal fitting which
holds a float. As
the
fuel level rises and falls, the float rises and
falls, which cause a
spring to move the visible gauge. To the best of
my knowledge,
they are
not calibrated, so any odd shaped tank does not
give a true
reading.

Depending on how much you use your engine, there
are three
approaches.
The tank, if I recall correctly, is 20 gallons.
First, simply
unscrew
the gauge and take the whole assembly to a
chandlery and buy a
replacement. Second, it you use the engine a lot,
fill the tank
completely, and then keep track of how long the
engine is running.
The
engine uses about 1/2 gallon an hour. (I recently
helped deliver a
boat
from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD, mostly under
power, and this is
the
method the professional delivery captain used.)
If you just use the
engine to get into and out of your slip and such,
you can simply
put a
gallon of fuel in every time or every other time
you use the boat.
I
never let my gauge get below 1/4 full, but I fill
it on the time
used
rather than what the gauge says.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
kollegewidgwock
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:06 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Fuel gauge question?

I’m having trouble reading the fuel gauge on my
1987 Freedom 30. I
would appreciate any suggestions from the group
regarding some
(simple?) way to determine how much diesel fuel is
left in the tank.
The gauge has a flange which is secured to the top
of the tank with
a phillips head screw on top of a small
cyclindrical housing and
then four hex head bolts around the flange and
then a slotted screw
next to the phillips which completes the circle.
On the clear plastic lens which is attached to the
flange by two
phillips more head screws is a nut which looks to
be situated
between “full” and “empty” indicators. The face of
the dial is
beginning to show some red where it once showed
“full”.
Can this gauge be removed in order to insert a
dipstick? If so, how?
If this question seems too confusing or
complicated for the group,
please send a private email to dlynch@…
mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu
This is our first summer sailing “Solitude” out of
Blue Hill, Maine
and we are really enjoying it but I still have
alot to learn about
her systems beyond her sails.
Thanks in advance for your kind response.
Don

Dr. Donald Lynch
Associate Professor of Psychology
Unity College-in-Maine
dlynch@… mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed
above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the
sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used
by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may
be imposed under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any
such tax advice in
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or other entity,
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(i) the advice
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transaction or matter, and
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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

Yanmar publishes GPH data for the 3GM30. It states 3/4 GPH@ 2800 rpm. That is exactly what I get on my F33@ 6.2kt.
To calibrate the gage you’d need to drain the tank,and note the gage reading as you add measured amts of fuel. Any other way is guesswork

----- Original Message -----
From: mike cunningham
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Fuel gauge question?—Fuel consumption


I carefully measured fuel consumption on a recenttrip. At 3000 RPM (6KTS) I go through about 1/2 gallonper hour. At 2000 RPM (5KTS)it was more like a quartper hour, hell, that’s better mileage than my car! Iimagine every boat is a bit different depending onbottom and prop but I am a happy camper with fourhours of steaming on a gallon of fuel. Somehow thismakes you feel better about the world. Don’t know why.I guess its similar to getting by on a gallon or twoof water consumption a day and maybe 120 watts.— mdurki <vaughan@indiana.edu> wrote:> As I read this you are saying that you get 2 hours> per gallon. My > expereince is much more on the order of 4 hours per> gallon. ???> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman,> Alvin J.” > <ajlorman@…> wrote:> >> > Don:> > > > Welcome to the Freedom lovers list.> > > > I have a 1987 F30 as well. I’m not entirely sure> of what you mean > when> > you say that the fuel gauge is starting to show> some red. The > gauge, if> > it is the same as mine, is a mechanical gauge that> is bolted onto > the> > top of the tank. They are, at best, casually> accurate. Under the> > gauge, there is a vertical metal fitting which> holds a float. As > the> > fuel level rises and falls, the float rises and> falls, which cause a> > spring to move the visible gauge. To the best of> my knowledge, > they are> > not calibrated, so any odd shaped tank does not> give a true > reading. > > > > Depending on how much you use your engine, there> are three > approaches.> > The tank, if I recall correctly, is 20 gallons. > First, simply > unscrew> > the gauge and take the whole assembly to a> chandlery and buy a> > replacement. Second, it you use the engine a lot,> fill the tank> > completely, and then keep track of how long the> engine is running. > The> > engine uses about 1/2 gallon an hour. (I recently> helped deliver a > boat> > from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD, mostly under> power, and this is > the> > method the professional delivery captain used.) > If you just use the> > engine to get into and out of your slip and such,> you can simply > put a> > gallon of fuel in every time or every other time> you use the boat. > I> > never let my gauge get below 1/4 full, but I fill> it on the time > used> > rather than what the gauge says.> > > > Al Lorman> > F30 Ab Initio> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On> Behalf Of > kollegewidgwock> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:06 AM> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Fuel gauge question?> > > > > > > > I’m having trouble reading the fuel gauge on my> 1987 Freedom 30. I > > would appreciate any suggestions from the group> regarding some > > (simple?) way to determine how much diesel fuel is> left in the tank.> > The gauge has a flange which is secured to the top> of the tank with > > a phillips head screw on top of a small> cyclindrical housing and > > then four hex head bolts around the flange and> then a slotted screw > > next to the phillips which completes the circle.> > On the clear plastic lens which is attached to the> flange by two > > phillips more head screws is a nut which looks to> be situated > > between “full” and “empty” indicators. The face of> the dial is > > beginning to show some red where it once showed> “full”.> > Can this gauge be removed in order to insert a> dipstick? If so, how?> > If this question seems too confusing or> complicated for the group, > > please send a private email to dlynch@…> > mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu > > This is our first summer sailing “Solitude” out of> Blue Hill, Maine > > and we are really enjoying it but I still have> alot to learn about > > her systems beyond her sails.> > Thanks in advance for your kind response.> > Don> > > > Dr. Donald Lynch> > Associate Professor of Psychology> > Unity College-in-Maine> > dlynch@… mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed> above as to tax > matters was neither written nor intended by the> sender or Mayer, > Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used> by any taxpayer > for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may> be imposed under > U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any> such tax advice in > promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership> or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then> (i) the advice > was written to support the promotion or marketing> (by a person other > than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that> transaction or matter, and > (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the> taxpayers > particular circumstances from an independent tax> advisor> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are> intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they> are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please> notify the system > manager. If you are not the named addressee you> should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)

The way I determined my burn rate was to ID a specific
reading on the gauge, do some steaming and add a known
amount of fuel to get back to the same gauge reading I
established before the experiment. My test was
probably good to within half a quart of fuel.

Mike

— jerry weinraub <zayde@…> wrote:

Yanmar publishes GPH data for the 3GM30. It states
3/4 GPH@ 2800 rpm. That is exactly what I get on my
F33@ 6.2kt.
To calibrate the gage you’d need to drain the
tank,and note the gage reading as you add measured
amts of fuel. Any other way is guesswork
----- Original Message -----
From: mike cunningham
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Fuel gauge
question?—Fuel consumption

I carefully measured fuel consumption on a recent
trip. At 3000 RPM (6KTS) I go through about 1/2
gallon
per hour. At 2000 RPM (5KTS)it was more like a
quart
per hour, hell, that’s better mileage than my car!
I
imagine every boat is a bit different depending on
bottom and prop but I am a happy camper with four
hours of steaming on a gallon of fuel. Somehow
this
makes you feel better about the world. Don’t know
why.
I guess its similar to getting by on a gallon or
two
of water consumption a day and maybe 120 watts.

— mdurki <vaughan@…> wrote:

As I read this you are saying that you get 2
hours
per gallon. My
expereince is much more on the order of 4 hours
per
gallon. ???

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Lorman,
Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Don:

Welcome to the Freedom lovers list.

I have a 1987 F30 as well. I’m not entirely
sure
of what you mean
when
you say that the fuel gauge is starting to
show
some red. The
gauge, if
it is the same as mine, is a mechanical gauge
that
is bolted onto
the
top of the tank. They are, at best, casually
accurate. Under the
gauge, there is a vertical metal fitting which
holds a float. As
the
fuel level rises and falls, the float rises
and
falls, which cause a
spring to move the visible gauge. To the best
of
my knowledge,
they are
not calibrated, so any odd shaped tank does
not
give a true
reading.

Depending on how much you use your engine,
there
are three
approaches.
The tank, if I recall correctly, is 20
gallons.
First, simply
unscrew
the gauge and take the whole assembly to a
chandlery and buy a
replacement. Second, it you use the engine a
lot,
fill the tank
completely, and then keep track of how long
the
engine is running.
The
engine uses about 1/2 gallon an hour. (I
recently
helped deliver a
boat
from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD, mostly
under
power, and this is
the
method the professional delivery captain
used.)
If you just use the
engine to get into and out of your slip and
such,
you can simply
put a
gallon of fuel in every time or every other
time
you use the boat.
I
never let my gauge get below 1/4 full, but I
fill
it on the time
used
rather than what the gauge says.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
kollegewidgwock
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:06 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Fuel gauge
question?

I’m having trouble reading the fuel gauge on
my
1987 Freedom 30. I
would appreciate any suggestions from the
group
regarding some
(simple?) way to determine how much diesel
fuel is
left in the tank.
The gauge has a flange which is secured to the
top
of the tank with
a phillips head screw on top of a small
cyclindrical housing and
then four hex head bolts around the flange and
then a slotted screw
next to the phillips which completes the
circle.
On the clear plastic lens which is attached to
the
flange by two
phillips more head screws is a nut which looks
to
be situated
between “full” and “empty” indicators. The
face of
the dial is
beginning to show some red where it once
showed
“full”.
Can this gauge be removed in order to insert a
dipstick? If so, how?
If this question seems too confusing or
complicated for the group,
please send a private email to dlynch@…
mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu
This is our first summer sailing “Solitude”
out of
Blue Hill, Maine
and we are really enjoying it but I still have
alot to learn about
her systems beyond her sails.
Thanks in advance for your kind response.
Don

Dr. Donald Lynch
Associate Professor of Psychology
Unity College-in-Maine
dlynch@… mailto:dlynch%40unity.edu

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed
above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the
sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be
used
by any taxpayer
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