Re: Mizzen staysail and -spinnaker: sure do!

Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Hi Allan,

my boat was equipped with a mizzen spi, a mizzen staysail and a
mizzen blade (=flat) staysail. Especially the two big ones are what
separates us Freedom sailors from the rest! Wow, these sail really
make you fly. The mizzen spi is best used on courses between 100 and
160 degrees off the apparent wind in winds up to 18 knots true. Rig
the clew to the end of the mizzen boom.
The mizzen staysail can best be used on courses between 60 and 140
degrees off the apparent wind up to windspeeds of about 18 knots true.

For an F33, you could buy a second hand spinnaker of suitable area
(45m2)and have the lowest strip of cloth cut diagonally to change the
shape of the sail from symmetrical to assymetrical. I have some
dimensions for you:

A large staysail for an F33 measures: luff 38’0", leech 31’6", foot
24’0", area 372 sqft. A mizzen spi would have about the same luff
length. Buy a second hand light weather genoa of about this size and
you’ll be fine.

A small staysail would measure: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot 8’6",
area 136 sqft.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks. I was thinking about using the anchorsprit as it appears
strong enough. Do you find your mizzen spinaker or a staysail is
enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile? If so in what winds
and do you use running backstays?
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I have an F33 with wishbones, but still I sometimes rig a
preventer
on the main. I attach a line to the opening in the cathead where
the
anchor sits through, and then to half way the boom. Works fine.
I
want to install a padeye on the foremost part of the cathead for
rigging the preventer. I can also use this padeye to provide a
more
foreward attachment point for my mizzen spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Has anyone figured a way to use a boombrake like servobrake or
boomlock on the main of a Freedom 33? Given the narrow beam at
the
mainmast at the bow and the need to allow the boom (I have
regular
booms not the wishbones) to swing out 90 downwind it doesn’t
look
like these things will have the proper angles to use them. Even
a
regular preventer seems a challenge.
Has anyone had any experience rigging anything as a preventer
or
boom brake for dealing with jibing for the main?
Thanks
Alan

Posted by akusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Thanks for the great info. Could you tell me if you use running
backstays on the mizzen when you fly these? I saw something in the F-
33 manual saying they’re needed but I’ll need to add attachment eyes
at the mast head.
The sailmakers I spoke with didn’t seem to think these mizzen sails
would be worthwhile but sure sounds like they are. I’m particularly
interested in anything that would improve the performance in light
winds and sounds like this would. I’d imagine that would be true
whether its with wishbones like yours or the standard booms like
mine.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Hi Allan,

my boat was equipped with a mizzen spi, a mizzen staysail and a
mizzen blade (=flat) staysail. Especially the two big ones are
what
separates us Freedom sailors from the rest! Wow, these sail really
make you fly. The mizzen spi is best used on courses between 100
and
160 degrees off the apparent wind in winds up to 18 knots true.
Rig
the clew to the end of the mizzen boom.
The mizzen staysail can best be used on courses between 60 and 140
degrees off the apparent wind up to windspeeds of about 18 knots
true.

For an F33, you could buy a second hand spinnaker of suitable area
(45m2)and have the lowest strip of cloth cut diagonally to change
the
shape of the sail from symmetrical to assymetrical. I have some
dimensions for you:

A large staysail for an F33 measures: luff 38’0", leech 31’6",
foot
24’0", area 372 sqft. A mizzen spi would have about the same luff
length. Buy a second hand light weather genoa of about this size
and
you’ll be fine.

A small staysail would measure: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot
8’6",
area 136 sqft.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks. I was thinking about using the anchorsprit as it appears
strong enough. Do you find your mizzen spinaker or a staysail is
enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile? If so in what
winds
and do you use running backstays?
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I have an F33 with wishbones, but still I sometimes rig a
preventer
on the main. I attach a line to the opening in the cathead
where
the
anchor sits through, and then to half way the boom. Works
fine.
I
want to install a padeye on the foremost part of the cathead
for
rigging the preventer. I can also use this padeye to provide a
more
foreward attachment point for my mizzen spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Has anyone figured a way to use a boombrake like servobrake
or
boomlock on the main of a Freedom 33? Given the narrow beam
at
the
mainmast at the bow and the need to allow the boom (I have
regular
booms not the wishbones) to swing out 90 downwind it doesn’t
look
like these things will have the proper angles to use them.
Even
a
regular preventer seems a challenge.
Has anyone had any experience rigging anything as a
preventer
or
boom brake for dealing with jibing for the main?
Thanks
Alan

Posted by mike_c_f35ck (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Alan,
I have one running backstay attached to an eyebolt at the front of
the masthead. There is a snapshackle block at the bottom end. I set
the mizzen sail, then tighten the running backstay on the opposite
side attached to the aftmost hole in the footrail. Then sheet in the
mizzen sail.

Allan, let me assure you that you really wat to play with these
mizzen sails in light airs. They make our Freedoms into the
performers nobody thinks they are. The advantage of wishbones is
that I can let out the mail wishbone to windward and let it out
untill the boom points forward. Thus, you create a ‘windscoop’ for
the mizzen sail. With conventional booms it also pays off to let the
boom go forward as much as possible.

Regards,
mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks for the great info. Could you tell me if you use running
backstays on the mizzen when you fly these? I saw something in the
F-
33 manual saying they’re needed but I’ll need to add attachment
eyes
at the mast head.
The sailmakers I spoke with didn’t seem to think these mizzen sails
would be worthwhile but sure sounds like they are. I’m particularly
interested in anything that would improve the performance in light
winds and sounds like this would. I’d imagine that would be true
whether its with wishbones like yours or the standard booms like
mine.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Hi Allan,

my boat was equipped with a mizzen spi, a mizzen staysail and a
mizzen blade (=flat) staysail. Especially the two big ones are
what
separates us Freedom sailors from the rest! Wow, these sail
really
make you fly. The mizzen spi is best used on courses between 100
and
160 degrees off the apparent wind in winds up to 18 knots true.
Rig
the clew to the end of the mizzen boom.
The mizzen staysail can best be used on courses between 60 and
140
degrees off the apparent wind up to windspeeds of about 18 knots
true.

For an F33, you could buy a second hand spinnaker of suitable
area
(45m2)and have the lowest strip of cloth cut diagonally to change
the
shape of the sail from symmetrical to assymetrical. I have some
dimensions for you:

A large staysail for an F33 measures: luff 38’0", leech 31’6",
foot
24’0", area 372 sqft. A mizzen spi would have about the same
luff
length. Buy a second hand light weather genoa of about this size
and
you’ll be fine.

A small staysail would measure: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot
8’6",
area 136 sqft.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks. I was thinking about using the anchorsprit as it
appears
strong enough. Do you find your mizzen spinaker or a staysail
is
enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile? If so in what
winds
and do you use running backstays?
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I have an F33 with wishbones, but still I sometimes rig a
preventer
on the main. I attach a line to the opening in the cathead
where
the
anchor sits through, and then to half way the boom. Works
fine.
I
want to install a padeye on the foremost part of the cathead
for
rigging the preventer. I can also use this padeye to provide
a
more
foreward attachment point for my mizzen spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Has anyone figured a way to use a boombrake like servobrake
or
boomlock on the main of a Freedom 33? Given the narrow beam
at
the
mainmast at the bow and the need to allow the boom (I have
regular
booms not the wishbones) to swing out 90 downwind it
doesn’t
look
like these things will have the proper angles to use them.
Even
a
regular preventer seems a challenge.
Has anyone had any experience rigging anything as a
preventer
or
boom brake for dealing with jibing for the main?
Thanks
Alan

Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)

We have the same set up as Mike Capel, (and the same UK built boat), and I would
endorse everything he says about staysails. Our old spinnaker, now mostly made
of
patches, was quite full bodied aloft, and the new replacement has been cut much
more like a large genoa, so carries better with a beam wind than downwind.
Wishbones let us run the main so far by the lee we can manage 70 degrees from
the
apparent wind. We have permanently rove preventers on the main, through blocks
at
the tip of the bowsprit/cathead, running back to the aft mooring cleats. Some
elastic,
and tiny blocks, holds the slack preventers out of the way. The ‘blade’ staysail
can be
carried when close hauled, and adds half a knot when set right: tack on the
lee’ard
pad eye.

The only drawback of these sails is that they must be handed when tacking, so
they
are too much trouble if racing round the cans, but they’ve won us a race out at
sea!

Gerald & Lynda Freshwater.




— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck” <mike_c_f35ck@y…>
wrote:

Alan,
I have one running backstay attached to an eyebolt at the front of
the masthead. There is a snapshackle block at the bottom end. I set
the mizzen sail, then tighten the running backstay on the opposite
side attached to the aftmost hole in the footrail. Then sheet in the
mizzen sail.

Allan, let me assure you that you really wat to play with these
mizzen sails in light airs. They make our Freedoms into the
performers nobody thinks they are. The advantage of wishbones is
that I can let out the mail wishbone to windward and let it out
untill the boom points forward. Thus, you create a ‘windscoop’ for
the mizzen sail. With conventional booms it also pays off to let the
boom go forward as much as possible.

Regards,
mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks for the great info. Could you tell me if you use running
backstays on the mizzen when you fly these? I saw something in the
F-
33 manual saying they’re needed but I’ll need to add attachment
eyes
at the mast head.
The sailmakers I spoke with didn’t seem to think these mizzen sails
would be worthwhile but sure sounds like they are. I’m particularly
interested in anything that would improve the performance in light
winds and sounds like this would. I’d imagine that would be true
whether its with wishbones like yours or the standard booms like
mine.
Alan
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Hi Allan,

my boat was equipped with a mizzen spi, a mizzen staysail and a
mizzen blade (=flat) staysail. Especially the two big ones are
what
separates us Freedom sailors from the rest! Wow, these sail
really
make you fly. The mizzen spi is best used on courses between 100
and
160 degrees off the apparent wind in winds up to 18 knots true.
Rig
the clew to the end of the mizzen boom.
The mizzen staysail can best be used on courses between 60 and
140
degrees off the apparent wind up to windspeeds of about 18 knots
true.

For an F33, you could buy a second hand spinnaker of suitable
area
(45m2)and have the lowest strip of cloth cut diagonally to change
the
shape of the sail from symmetrical to assymetrical. I have some
dimensions for you:

A large staysail for an F33 measures: luff 38’0", leech 31’6",
foot
24’0", area 372 sqft. A mizzen spi would have about the same
luff
length. Buy a second hand light weather genoa of about this size
and
you’ll be fine.

A small staysail would measure: luff 34’6", leech 32’0", foot
8’6",
area 136 sqft.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Thanks. I was thinking about using the anchorsprit as it
appears
strong enough. Do you find your mizzen spinaker or a staysail
is
enough of an advantage to make it worthwhile? If so in what
winds
and do you use running backstays?
Alan

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “mike_c_f35ck”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I have an F33 with wishbones, but still I sometimes rig a
preventer
on the main. I attach a line to the opening in the cathead
where
the
anchor sits through, and then to half way the boom. Works
fine.
I
want to install a padeye on the foremost part of the cathead
for
rigging the preventer. I can also use this padeye to provide
a
more
foreward attachment point for my mizzen spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “akusinitz”
<akusinitz@y…> wrote:

Has anyone figured a way to use a boombrake like servobrake
or
boomlock on the main of a Freedom 33? Given the narrow beam
at
the
mainmast at the bow and the need to allow the boom (I have
regular
booms not the wishbones) to swing out 90 downwind it
doesn’t
look
like these things will have the proper angles to use them.
Even
a
regular preventer seems a challenge.
Has anyone had any experience rigging anything as a
preventer
or
boom brake for dealing with jibing for the main?
Thanks
Alan