Posted by Larry R. Linhart (larrylinhart@…>)
I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone had this experience and what is the solution?
Larry Linhart
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Not specific to the 35, but Bright Star used to have some jamming in
the boom lines. Turns out there were a couple birds nests - and I
don’t mean tangled lines, I mean actual birds nests - in the boom,
along with some rags that at one time assumedly plugged up the end of
the boom to keep the birds out. Cleaned it all out with a hose (with
the boom angled over the side, and that helped a lot.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@…> wrote:
I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with the
reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone had
this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Ditto re: bird’s nests in boom.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lance_ryleySent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:39 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Reefing System JamNot specific to the 35, but Bright Star used to have some jamming in the boom lines. Turns out there were a couple birds nests - and I don’t mean tangled lines, I mean actual birds nests - in the boom, along with some rags that at one time assumedly plugged up the end of the boom to keep the birds out. Cleaned it all out with a hose (with the boom angled over the side, and that helped a lot.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart” <larrylinhart@…> wrote:>> I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone had this experience and what is the solution?> > Larry Linhart>
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Posted by Fred Molden (fredmolden@…>)
I had similar problems with my F35. I found that the block which is about mid boom had been twisted and as I tightened up the reef lines it would jam, sometimes. I eased all the reef lines and pulled the mid boom block all the way aft end of the boom. With a flashlight and a coat hanger bent to fit I managed look into the boom and got things straightened out. Runs freely now. When the reef lines are too loose (spring commissioning or when reefing or dropping sail and not tighten reef lines as the sail comes down)they can get tangled internally. I always keep a bit of tension on them now.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry R. Linhart
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Reefing System Jam
I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone had this experience and what is the solution?
Larry Linhart
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@…> wrote:
I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with
the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone
had this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Run your lines external to the boom and consider ditching single
line reefing. Here’s what Kame Richards has to say about the reefing
system on most Freedoms:
“I would like to discuss the single line reefing system as a
separate subject. My biggest problem is that one cannot establish
luff tension, thereby reducing the load on the luff sliders, before
placing a load on the reef clew line. This will often cause the
bottom several luff sliders to start tearing out of the luff of the
sail. My second problem is that these ‘systems’ are sold under the
notion that they are ‘simple.’ They are NOT simple. That is
partially due to the fact that the loads in a reefed sail are not
simple. The load coming out of the reef clew is very much greater
than the load out of the reef tack. (If you look closely you will
notice that the size of the reef clew patch is greater, and with
more layers, than the reef tack patch.) It is difficult to have a
single line carry a large load in one end and a small load in
another end…not impossible, just difficult (not simple). To get
around this, some single line systems do not have a “single line,”
but rather two separate lines, one is the reef clew line which lives
inside the boom with a block attached, and the other, which starts
at the front of the boom, travels aft to this block, then forward to
the reef tack, then down and aft to the cleat…not simple.”
Posted by Gary Johnston (gnj@…>)
Larry:
I am mostly a single handed sailor with some help from my wife. I have a Freedom 35, 1993 model and love the single line reefing system. You can check your blocks inside the boom by adding line to the front reefing lines of the boom and pulling the blocks aft out the small hole in the boom. They can have a real birds nest or can be twisted. Additionally it is possible the 2 reef lines are crossed. Also possible that the Blocks are bad. When we reef I stand at the wheel and let the Main down as my wife pulls the reef lines, by hand. Usually we reef early so the reef is put in with only 4-5 turns on the winch. Then we retention the main halyard.
I have never had a problem once the internal lines are running correctly.
Gary Johnston
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From: Larry R. Linhart
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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Reefing System Jam
I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has anyone had this experience and what is the solution?
Larry Linhart
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
The original single line reefing system as patented by Garry Hoyt
used only lines external of the boom, and it was a true single line.
This system was and still is fine to use. Problems arose when other
people tried to ‘improve’ this system by stashing the line in the
boom, and worse, making it a two-line system.
The crux of single line reefing is, that you first pull down the
tack (with the use of several blocks attached to the side of the
boom) in such a way that the reef line runs straight without
friction. Then you pull down the clew with this straight running
line.
There’s a picture in Hoyt’s booklet ‘Ready About’. I have no
scanner, otherwise I would post it here.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@> wrote:I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with
the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has
anyone
had this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Run your lines external to the boom and consider ditching single
line reefing. Here’s what Kame Richards has to say about the
reefing
system on most Freedoms:“I would like to discuss the single line reefing system as a
separate subject. My biggest problem is that one cannot establish
luff tension, thereby reducing the load on the luff sliders,
before
placing a load on the reef clew line. This will often cause the
bottom several luff sliders to start tearing out of the luff of
the
sail. My second problem is that these ‘systems’ are sold under the
notion that they are ‘simple.’ They are NOT simple. That is
partially due to the fact that the loads in a reefed sail are not
simple. The load coming out of the reef clew is very much greater
than the load out of the reef tack. (If you look closely you will
notice that the size of the reef clew patch is greater, and with
more layers, than the reef tack patch.) It is difficult to have a
single line carry a large load in one end and a small load in
another end…not impossible, just difficult (not simple). To get
around this, some single line systems do not have a “single line,”
but rather two separate lines, one is the reef clew line which
lives
inside the boom with a block attached, and the other, which starts
at the front of the boom, travels aft to this block, then forward
to
the reef tack, then down and aft to the cleat…not simple.”
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
I think Kame raised a valid point about unequal loads being placed on
the same line. Normally I agree with Michel’s posts but I remain
unconvinced. I’m not a typical Freedom enthusiast though. The next
Freedom will not have all the halyards and stuff running aft. I’d
rather just work from the mast when it comes to hoisting, lowering,
and reefing sails. The single line reefing will go away also. But
that’s just me and I admit to being a strange bird in this flock.
I think the main appeal of Freedom is the build quality, freestanding
rig, layout, and in many cases good hull designs. I wish Freedom had
used Ron Holland a bit more than they did though. I think he might
have come up with a good 42/45. Nothing wrong with the Mulls, I just
like Holland’s work on the 39 ketch.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
The original single line reefing system as patented by Garry Hoyt
used only lines external of the boom, and it was a true single line.
This system was and still is fine to use. Problems arose when other
people tried to ‘improve’ this system by stashing the line in the
boom, and worse, making it a two-line system.The crux of single line reefing is, that you first pull down the
tack (with the use of several blocks attached to the side of the
boom) in such a way that the reef line runs straight without
friction. Then you pull down the clew with this straight running
line.There’s a picture in Hoyt’s booklet ‘Ready About’. I have no
scanner, otherwise I would post it here.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@> wrote:I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems with
the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has
anyone
had this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Run your lines external to the boom and consider ditching single
line reefing. Here’s what Kame Richards has to say about the
reefing
system on most Freedoms:“I would like to discuss the single line reefing system as a
separate subject. My biggest problem is that one cannot establish
luff tension, thereby reducing the load on the luff sliders,
before
placing a load on the reef clew line. This will often cause the
bottom several luff sliders to start tearing out of the luff of
the
sail. My second problem is that these ‘systems’ are sold under the
notion that they are ‘simple.’ They are NOT simple. That is
partially due to the fact that the loads in a reefed sail are not
simple. The load coming out of the reef clew is very much greater
than the load out of the reef tack. (If you look closely you will
notice that the size of the reef clew patch is greater, and with
more layers, than the reef tack patch.) It is difficult to have a
single line carry a large load in one end and a small load in
another end…not impossible, just difficult (not simple). To get
around this, some single line systems do not have a “single line,”
but rather two separate lines, one is the reef clew line which
lives
inside the boom with a block attached, and the other, which starts
at the front of the boom, travels aft to this block, then forward
to
the reef tack, then down and aft to the cleat…not simple.”
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Dave,
I have no comments on strange birds and flocks an stuff… ;^)
About single line reefing: usually a conventional two line slab reef
system is the most proven solution. However, on a catketch with two
reefs in both main and mizzen, this results in 8 lines running to
the cockpit. So on a catketch, I feel that it is useful to explore
alternative reefing systems to try and reduce the number of lines.
There’s a discussion on the Freedom-44 bulletin board here on yahoo
(open to all), a guy Nick with a Tanton 43 explained very clearly
how he set up single line reefing on his T43. He says it works, and
it’s the standard setup on the Tanton 43.
Not to antagonize (is that a word?) you Dave, but I just love the
rigging of the Freedom with everything running aft. On my F33 ketch,
I could reef and unreef without even standing up, so to speak. But
that’s a matter of taste, of course.
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
I think Kame raised a valid point about unequal loads being placed
on
the same line. Normally I agree with Michel’s posts but I remain
unconvinced. I’m not a typical Freedom enthusiast though. The next
Freedom will not have all the halyards and stuff running aft. I’d
rather just work from the mast when it comes to hoisting, lowering,
and reefing sails. The single line reefing will go away also. But
that’s just me and I admit to being a strange bird in this flock.I think the main appeal of Freedom is the build quality,
freestanding
rig, layout, and in many cases good hull designs. I wish Freedom
had
used Ron Holland a bit more than they did though. I think he might
have come up with a good 42/45. Nothing wrong with the Mulls, I
just
like Holland’s work on the 39 ketch.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:The original single line reefing system as patented by Garry
Hoyt
used only lines external of the boom, and it was a true single
line.
This system was and still is fine to use. Problems arose when
other
people tried to ‘improve’ this system by stashing the line in
the
boom, and worse, making it a two-line system.The crux of single line reefing is, that you first pull down the
tack (with the use of several blocks attached to the side of the
boom) in such a way that the reef line runs straight without
friction. Then you pull down the clew with this straight running
line.There’s a picture in Hoyt’s booklet ‘Ready About’. I have no
scanner, otherwise I would post it here.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@> wrote:I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several problems
with
the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has
anyone
had this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Run your lines external to the boom and consider ditching
single
line reefing. Here’s what Kame Richards has to say about the
reefing
system on most Freedoms:“I would like to discuss the single line reefing system as a
separate subject. My biggest problem is that one cannot
establish
luff tension, thereby reducing the load on the luff sliders,
before
placing a load on the reef clew line. This will often cause
the
bottom several luff sliders to start tearing out of the luff
of
the
sail. My second problem is that these ‘systems’ are sold under
the
notion that they are ‘simple.’ They are NOT simple. That is
partially due to the fact that the loads in a reefed sail are
not
simple. The load coming out of the reef clew is very much
greater
than the load out of the reef tack. (If you look closely you
will
notice that the size of the reef clew patch is greater, and
with
more layers, than the reef tack patch.) It is difficult to
have a
single line carry a large load in one end and a small load in
another end…not impossible, just difficult (not simple). To
get
around this, some single line systems do not have a “single
line,”
but rather two separate lines, one is the reef clew line which
lives
inside the boom with a block attached, and the other, which
starts
at the front of the boom, travels aft to this block, then
forward
to
the reef tack, then down and aft to the cleat…not simple.”
Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)
You can improve, considerably, the ease and deployment 0f a reef
with a single line system by installing HI-load blocks at the clew
and tack cringle. My set up runs from the attachment point on the
boom, up through the tack block, down to the sheave at the end of
the boom, thru the boom to a sheave at the gooseneck end, up to the
block at the tack, and dowm to a turning block at the mast base,
thru the deck organizer and back to the cockpit. All the blocks
except the boom sheaves and deck organizer are hi load, roller
bearing. I had the sail maker intall a short web strap with a D ring
on each end at both cringles to atach the blocks.
\
Dave,
I have no comments on strange birds and flocks an stuff… ;^)
About single line reefing: usually a conventional two line slab
reef
system is the most proven solution. However, on a catketch with
two
reefs in both main and mizzen, this results in 8 lines running to
the cockpit. So on a catketch, I feel that it is useful to explore
alternative reefing systems to try and reduce the number of lines.There’s a discussion on the Freedom-44 bulletin board here on
yahoo
(open to all), a guy Nick with a Tanton 43 explained very clearly
how he set up single line reefing on his T43. He says it works,
and
it’s the standard setup on the Tanton 43.Not to antagonize (is that a word?) you Dave, but I just love the
rigging of the Freedom with everything running aft. On my F33
ketch,
I could reef and unreef without even standing up, so to speak. But
that’s a matter of taste, of course.Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:I think Kame raised a valid point about unequal loads being
placed
on
the same line. Normally I agree with Michel’s posts but I remain
unconvinced. I’m not a typical Freedom enthusiast though. The
next
Freedom will not have all the halyards and stuff running aft. I’d
rather just work from the mast when it comes to hoisting,
lowering,
and reefing sails. The single line reefing will go away also. But
that’s just me and I admit to being a strange bird in this flock.I think the main appeal of Freedom is the build quality,
freestanding
rig, layout, and in many cases good hull designs. I wish Freedom
had
used Ron Holland a bit more than they did though. I think he
might
have come up with a good 42/45. Nothing wrong with the Mulls, I
just
like Holland’s work on the 39 ketch.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:The original single line reefing system as patented by Garry
Hoyt
used only lines external of the boom, and it was a true single
line.
This system was and still is fine to use. Problems arose when
other
people tried to ‘improve’ this system by stashing the line in
the
boom, and worse, making it a two-line system.The crux of single line reefing is, that you first pull down
the
tack (with the use of several blocks attached to the side of
the
boom) in such a way that the reef line runs straight without
friction. Then you pull down the clew with this straight
running
line.There’s a picture in Hoyt’s booklet ‘Ready About’. I have no
scanner, otherwise I would post it here.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@> wrote:— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Larry R. Linhart”
<larrylinhart@> wrote:I own a 2000 Freedom 35 sloop and have had several
problems
with
the reefing system lines getting jammed inside the boom. Has
anyone
had this experience and what is the solution?Larry Linhart
Run your lines external to the boom and consider ditching
single
line reefing. Here’s what Kame Richards has to say about the
reefing
system on most Freedoms:“I would like to discuss the single line reefing system as a
separate subject. My biggest problem is that one cannot
establish
luff tension, thereby reducing the load on the luff sliders,
before
placing a load on the reef clew line. This will often cause
the
bottom several luff sliders to start tearing out of the luff
of
the
sail. My second problem is that these ‘systems’ are sold
under
the
notion that they are ‘simple.’ They are NOT simple. That is
partially due to the fact that the loads in a reefed sail
are
not
simple. The load coming out of the reef clew is very much
greater
than the load out of the reef tack. (If you look closely you
will
notice that the size of the reef clew patch is greater, and
with
more layers, than the reef tack patch.) It is difficult to
have a
single line carry a large load in one end and a small load
in
another end…not impossible, just difficult (not simple).
To
get
around this, some single line systems do not have a “single
line,”
but rather two separate lines, one is the reef clew line
which
lives
inside the boom with a block attached, and the other, which
starts
at the front of the boom, travels aft to this block, then
forward
to
the reef tack, then down and aft to the cleat…not simple.”
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
About single line reefing: usually a conventional two line slab reef
system is the most proven solution. However, on a catketch with two
reefs in both main and mizzen, this results in 8 lines running to
the cockpit.
That’s exactly why I don’t like having all the lines led aft. The only
thing I need to have in the cockpit is mainsheet, vang, etc. Better to
do the rest from the mast.