Spinnaker question

Posted by Merrick White (r__merrick_white@…>)

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

Posted by Jacqui MacConnell (jacimacc@…>)

OK, Merrick, I’ll try. This is just the first
response. The others will be more reliable. We haven’t
flown ours properly yet. But I’ve seen it done, up in
Juneau. The lines you refer to are led back to the
cockpit along the port and starbord sides,
respectively. My seller said he had to get some sort
of cleats or looks like small pulleys (name?). One for
each. Believe the best he found were from a Hobie 16.
Believe he said he atttached them somewhere along rear
cockpit lifelines. These together eventually guide the
adjustment of the spinnaker pole from completely
perpendicular to your centerline, to a little
starboard, or a little port. Depending on wind
direction. Much like the reins on a horse.
The deploying or dousing of the spinnaker is
controlled by a separate, single, sheet. And requires
another piece of equipment. A long narrow sock, or
retrieval sleeve. Mine is white vinyl.This can be
clipped on either forward deck to lie flat. I have
heard off the toe rail works. Will report more next
month. Or others can now. In theory (which is a far as
we’ve gotten so far) you pre-thread the lead line
which is about dead center on the spinnaker itself
through this sock, and back to the cockpit. To hoist
the spinnaker, pull on it. To douse the spinnaker,
release it. Cleating it off, either way, most likely
has to happen, too. When it douses, it reminds me of a
squid, scuttling quickly and neatly into its shell.
Let me know if you find out before we do, will you?
So that’s it. A single line, sinlgle handed, and from
the cockpit, raises or lowers your kite. The outboard
sheets adjust the pole position for wind direction. It
is breathtaking to watch, and my crew keeps waiting,
but still seems to believe me anyway. We’re almost
there…
Yours kindly in similar limbo, “captain” Jac, SPARROW
F36+2 Hull 48
Bellingham, WA



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Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)

Merrick. Go to the “Links” section of this web page. Click on “F21
information”. Then click on “Factory information”. Then
on “Commissioning” the F21. There you will find verbal instructions
for installing and using the pole and all of the lines. Better than
that, you will see a picture of how to run all of the lines. The
stainless tube that the pole slides through needs a “liner” of
plastic or pvc so the pole will slide in and out easily when you try
to control it with the lines led to the cockpit. I suggest that you
copy and read every section of the F21 website. It has a wealth of
information for the benefit of all Freedom owners. I have a great
method of making a pvc liner for the gunmount tube; let me know if
you need this info-it is better and easier than the methods
mentioned on the F21 site. Charlie — F25 “Church Lady” #257
previous owner of F21 #191, and F21 # 212


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”
<r__merrick_white@h…> wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the
pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by
hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t
say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks
of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy
if I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

I wrote a very long-winded tome on basic gun mount spinnakers a few
years ago. A girlfriend at the time was interested in step-by-step
instructions on it. The girl is long gone but the blather I wrote
about gun mount spinnakers got reposted at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/message/454

Are you asking if the pole can be carried off center in the gun
mount? Yes it can, within reason. Does it get you anything? Yes, a
little, sometimes. Should you do it? Probably not, you are taking a
simple, balanced easy spinnaker and making it into a wrestling
match. I also eyeballed and played with the numbers of how much more
bending force there is in the pole by carrying it off center. I
suspect that the pole could simply fold up if you aren`t careful.

I got some positives carrying the pole off center in 2 circumstances:
running and pointing as high as possible. Reaching with the pole off
center got me nothing that I could see.

Running I can extend the pole to windward about 3-4’ and get near
perfect balance on the helm (I`m on a Hoyt 32, BTW.) My theory is it
either puts more sail to windward to balance the big mainsail to
leeward or it changes the shape of the sail and puts the maximum
camber more to windward. Either would put the drive of the chute more
to windward. Whatever the reason, the boat often can be made to
balance perfectly. That sounds great but really the balance with the
pole on-center isn’t bad to begin with. I have a wind vane, though,
and it does steer better with careful balance. Running you can set
the windward rein up hard and get some of the bending force off the
pole (maybe, I think.) Still, you’ve got to be careful with this.
Don’t expect a long, unsupported pole to carry a great deal of force
and, believe me, the spinnaker is very capable of supplying it in
great abundance.

Pointing, you can extend the pole ahead of the boat and get a
straighter luff on the chute. That will let you point a bit higher
with the chute up. There’s 2 troubles with this, though; you must re-
lead the reins to somehow hold the pole out like that and, second,
you cannot brace the extra pole sticking out the front of the boat in
any way from the side-to-side force. Woo-WEE, do you have to be
conservative here. The entire load of the windward clew is carried by
the long unsupported pole sticking out to front. In any wind over,
say, 5 knots or so the force really starts to build quickly. I had
visions of the pole simply folding at the gun mount sleeve. I’d avoid
this one in anything but near calm winds.

Having said all the above, it was great fun experimenting but now
just leave the pole centered all the time and enjoy a low stress
life. Gun mount spinnakers work great just the way they are.

Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

In the files section of this website there are two manuals documents.
In one of them there are clear sketches of all the lines needed to work
with the gunmount spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”
<r__merrick_white@h…> wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

Posted by Mike Kovacic (sailslakemichigan@…>)
I have a set screw in the gun mount that fixes the pole in the middle. The spinnaker lines are to move the entire pole from side to side to adjust the angle of the entire sail to the wind.Merrick White <r__merrick_white@…> wrote:
If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the pole back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet. Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by hand?The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t say if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they are led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if I could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.Any advice for the newbie ?Thanks__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Posted by S Wesson (sailsoul@…>)

Have had our F- 21 a short time now. 4 weeks? We find the spinnaker set
up quite easy to use [even single-handed] Never use a winch. our main
complaint being; we find ourself stnding upon a mountain of spaghetti?
Line bags?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson

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On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:20, Michel Capel wrote:

In the files section of this website there are two manuals documents.
In one of them there are clear sketches of all the lines needed to
work
with the gunmount spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”
<r__merrick_white@h…> wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the
pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by
hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t
say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if
I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

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Posted by bill weber (billpeggyweber@…>)
One question. Is the spinnaker retrievel line and the spinnaker halyard one(1) continuous line
or is the retrievel line separate??? Any help would be nice thanks’‘’‘’'S Wesson <sailsoul@…> wrote:
Have had our F- 21 a short time now. 4 weeks? We find the spinnaker set up quite easy to use [even single-handed] Never use a winch. our main complaint being; we find ourself stnding upon a mountain of spaghetti? Line bags?Whatever is right, is…S WessonOn Apr 26, 2005, at 10:20, Michel Capel wrote:>> In the files section of this website there are two manuals documents. > In one of them there are clear sketches of all the lines needed to > work> with the gunmount spinaker.>> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”> wrote:> >> > If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the > pole> > back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.> > Perhaps they are to lock the pole in
place after positioning by > hand?> >> > The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t > say> > if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they> are> > led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of> > hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if > I> > could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.> >> > Any advice for the newbie ?> >> > Thanks>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>> • To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/> > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service.>>
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Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)


Recovery line
My F32 had a
continuous spinnaker halyard/recovery line. When I replaced it I do so
with separate lines. It was a little easier to have them separate, so I
would suggest it is user’s choice.

Brian
Guptil sailordude@…
2501 Boston St.
Slip-36 www.brigup.com
Baltimore, MD
21224 206-818-3203
S/V Cayenne is
moored on C dock.

-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bill weber
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:26 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: Spinnaker question

One question. Is the spinnaker retrievel line
and the spinnaker halyard one(1) continuous line


or is the retrievel line separate??? Any
help would be nice thanks’‘’‘’’

S Wesson
<sailsoul@…> wrote:


Have had our F- 21 a short time now. 4 weeks? We find
the spinnaker set
up quite easy to use [even single-handed] Never use a winch. our main
complaint being; we find ourself stnding upon a mountain of spaghetti?
Line bags?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson

On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:20, Michel Capel wrote:

In the files section of this website there are two manuals
documents.
In one of them there are clear sketches of all the lines needed to
work
with the gunmount spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”
wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the
pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by
hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t
say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if
I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

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Posted by amcclung@…> (amcclung@…>)

The spinnaker retrieval line and the halyard are two separate lines. You want
some pictures of how it’s done? Send me your e-mail and I’ll send them your way.

Allen

From: bill weber <billpeggyweber@…>
Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 10:25:58 GMT
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Spinnaker question

One question. Is the spinnaker retrievel line and the spinnaker halyard
one(1) continuous line
or is the retrievel line separate??? Any help would be nice
thanks’‘’‘’’

S Wesson <sailsoul@…> wrote:
Have had our F- 21 a short time now. 4 weeks? We find the spinnaker set
up quite easy to use [even single-handed] Never use a winch. our main
complaint being; we find ourself stnding upon a mountain of spaghetti?
Line bags?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson

On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:20, Michel Capel wrote:

In the files section of this website there are two manuals documents.
In one of them there are clear sketches of all the lines needed to
work
with the gunmount spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Merrick White”
wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to allow you to move the
pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place after positioning by
hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist the sail, but doesn’t
say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the cockpit; but I’d be happy if
I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

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Posted by bill weber (billpeggyweber@…>)

I sure would like some pictures. If the retrievel
line is separete how long and what size are you using.
my email is billpeggyweber@…
Again thanks. I’m still have more questions on using
the traveller as well.
— amcclung@… wrote:

The spinnaker retrieval line and the halyard are two
separate lines. You want some pictures of how it’s
done? Send me your e-mail and I’ll send them your
way.

Allen

From: bill weber <billpeggyweber@…>
Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 10:25:58 GMT
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Spinnaker
question

One question. Is the spinnaker retrievel line and
the spinnaker halyard one(1) continuous line
or is the retrievel line separate??? Any
help would be nice thanks’‘’‘’’

S Wesson <sailsoul@…> wrote:
Have had our F- 21 a short time now. 4 weeks? We
find the spinnaker set
up quite easy to use [even single-handed] Never
use a winch. our main
complaint being; we find ourself stnding upon a
mountain of spaghetti?
Line bags?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson

On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:20, Michel Capel wrote:

In the files section of this website there are
two manuals documents.
In one of them there are clear sketches of all
the lines needed to
work
with the gunmount spinaker.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“Merrick White”
wrote:

If the spinnaker pole lines are suppose to
allow you to move the
pole
back and forth in the gun mount I haven’t
found the secret yet.
Perhaps they are to lock the pole in place
after positioning by
hand?

The manual says to center the pole to hoist
the sail, but doesn’t
say
if they can be used for adjustment later. It
would seem since they
are
led to the cockpit adjustments could/should be
made. Hoyt speaks of
hoisting and dousing the sail from the
cockpit; but I’d be happy if
I
could cut my trips forward to 2 per sail.

Any advice for the newbie ?

Thanks

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