Spinnaker Sprit

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME

\

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38
AM

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

One advantage to what you’re suggesting is that you could rotate the
pole to windward to let you sail even deeper with the A-sail. The
Freedom 24 allows for this, and it is just now being revisited in
the “revolutionary” sportboat market. go figure.

Here’s your kit :wink: http://www.fortecarbon.com/spritkit.php which is
definitely not priced at the frugal new englander. However, this is a
new england company. Their 3" diameter, 15’ pole is around $1400,
which works out to about $82/foot :wink:

If you wanted to keep it simpler, you could just tack the A-sail at
the bow pulpit. This would give you good performance and would only
require the purchase of the sail :wink:

Lance
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of
spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to
find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll
be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I
don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of
spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to
find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll
be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I
don’t
want to pay much.

The tubing is easy enough:

http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/alum2.phtml?
page=rndtube&LimAcc=$LimAcc

There’s a Metals Depot in many cities. Call it $90-$120 before you
have a 4’ piece in hand.

Just sticking it out without uplift support (cantilevered) doesn’t
seem to be workable and you’d need something to keep it from just
rotating the gunmount. Call it another $100 for blocks, stays and
fittings (I don’t know what you plan for the end fittings, if
anything.) It seems like $250 would get you enough to build a very
good prototype of the sprit.

Do you have the sail? If not, brace yourself, then ask the price.

A non-smart-alecky question though: if you’re intending this for
reaching, why not just use the standard gunmount spinnaker? It does
that exceptionally well. I don’t see where an asymmetric would get
you much of anything and it would be much harder to jibe.

Now, …putting a ridiculously huge light air Genoa way out there to
try to get to windward better… THERE’S a cockamamie idea I’ve
kicked around maybe 1000 times…

Rick
Tallahassee

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Hi Rick,
Thanks for the link. A 4’ piece of 3" tubing delivered is
less than $85.
Keeping the sprit lined up would not be difficult.
I have priced a couple of sails on line. (The foretriange
measurements are 34 x 9 aproximately) One is a used Assym of
33’x31’8"x12’6" (really sexy colors, too) for $425 and a new
30’x27’x16.5’ assym for $600. Not sure I’ll make the investment, or
which one to buy, but should I proceed, I’ll take pics and update
everyone. I think I could get a higher point with an assymetrical
than with the gun-mounted spinnaker. I can do a beam reach with it,
but not much closer. I think I could get a close reach out of the assym.
Anyway, thanks for the link.
Best,
TW


The tubing is easy enough:

<http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/alum2.phtml?>http://www.metalsdepot.com/pr
oducts/alum2.phtml?
page=rndtube&LimAcc=$LimAcc

There’s a Metals Depot in many cities. Call it $90-$120 before you
have a 4’ piece in hand.

Just sticking it out without uplift support (cantilevered) doesn’t
seem to be workable and you’d need something to keep it from just
rotating the gunmount. Call it another $100 for blocks, stays and
fittings (I don’t know what you plan for the end fittings, if
anything.) It seems like $250 would get you enough to build a very
good prototype of the sprit.

Do you have the sail? If not, brace yourself, then ask the price.

A non-smart-alecky question though: if you’re intending this for
reaching, why not just use the standard gunmount spinnaker? It does
that exceptionally well. I don’t see where an asymmetric would get
you much of anything and it would be much harder to jibe.

Now, …putting a ridiculously huge light air Genoa way out there to
try to get to windward better… THERE’S a cockamamie idea I’ve
kicked around maybe 1000 times…

Rick
Tallahassee

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM




No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38
AM

Posted by Randy (crawfordceramics@…>)
Hi Rick, I have exercised that cockamamie Idea out of necessity. After purchasing my F-25 in Erie,PA last may and having readied it to sail to Dunkirk,NY, Setting aside time, gathered a couple crew members for the ride, stowed enough gas to motor in and out of the 2 harbors and headed out in beautiful sunny weather. the prevailing northerly and westerly winds measured 0-4 knots. We needed more sail power than the Main had to offer,she came without a jib. Not having sailed her before and never flown a spinaker in my life, we opted to use an odd genoa that came with the purchase as our jib. We rigged the spinaker boom through the gunmount so that it projected forward 7 feet from the gunmount swivel and tensioned it at 3 points using the cleats at the base of the mast and the life rails. We then hoisted the genoa and jury rigged our dockpole to function as spinaker pole and viola, we had nearly double our sail area for our downwind trek. When we shoved
off we thought that it would take 7-8 hours and provisioned food and drink for that, but the final result was 26 hours and we were thirsty, hungry and a little cranky. That was a great lesson and this season I am totally prepared. That was my first frustrating outing… Regards, Randy F25-“Slangevar” rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote: Now, …putting a ridiculously huge light air Genoa way out there to try to get to windward better… THERE’S a cockamamie
idea I’ve kicked around maybe 1000 times…RickTallahassee

Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

… We rigged the spinaker boom through the gunmount so that it
projected forward 7 feet from the gunmount swivel and tensioned it
at >3 points using the cleats at the base of the mast and the life
rails. > …

Now, …putting a ridiculously huge light air Genoa way out there
to
try to get to windward better… THERE’S a cockamamie idea I’ve
kicked around maybe 1000 times…



Your setup of lines to aim and steady the gunmount pole is exactly
what I’ve always mentally eyeballed, though never set up. I’ve always
thought that it seems like that pole could be set WAY out there and
hold the tack of some big jenny. Instead of downwind, though, I’m
really trying to think of ways to improve getting to windward in
light air.

I actually do have a light air jenny that I’ve used in place of the
Camberspar jib, tacked down on deck and hooked to the forestay, not
hooked to the pole. I’ve found that it really doesn’t point
appreciably better (a little bit, maybe) but it does have the
advantage of power or “punch”; it keeps the power on when there’s
light air and a sloppy sea. Other than that it really never seemed to
be worth the trouble of setting up and cranking it around on tacks.
Given that experience, despite my daydreams of projecting the pole
way out, I really don’t think my version of the “cockamamie gunmount
pole” idea will actually work well in the real world, at least not to
windward.

I certainly only know my own Hoyt 32, not the other models, but
assuming 8-ish knots of apparent wind maximum and proportional flat
seas, my spinnaker will go up to 60* apparent any day of the week. In
unusually steady wind it will go higher than that, maybe 50* or so.
(Lift the end of the pole inside the lifelines, pull the leeward clew
right down to the pole and ease the windward clew out until it’s
ahead of the forestay.) My new spinnaker isn’t as reliable at
pointing as the original flatter, skinnier one. This one has
broader “shoulders” (a bigger “S” curve on the luffs) and it
collapses more readily. At least in theory it should be a bit faster
just from having a bit more sail area but I really liked my old one.
Alas, I wore that one out to a frazzle and blew the budget on this
one. If I ever find a good deal on the right size “star cut” reaching
spinnaker, I’ll get it and keep this one as a spare.

And a “frustrating outing?” (sigh) Gee, I’ve never had one of those…

On the other hand, Sunday I took some friends out who had guests
visiting from Philly. It was one of those days when I found out why I
put up with owning a sailboat. Perfect weather, perfect wind, clever
fun people, great food, steaks grilled on the beach afterward, on and
on… The highlight was seeing the out-of-her-mind delight of the
woman who had never seen porpoises in the wild before. A full speed
reach with dolphins playing tag with the boat, not 4 feet away from
her, a 60+ year old woman hooting and giggling in wide-eyed wonder…

These boats are worth ALL the trouble sometimes.

Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas WalesSent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PMTo: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit


Greetings,I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t want to pay much.Thanks for your learned input.Best,TWF32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

I believe the bow pulpit is built like a brick s**thouse.
TW



At 08:48 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without
breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM




No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37
PM

Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

Thanks Tom…I am going to watch this closely! Its very interesting and an
asym can be single handed easily once you do it couple times.

Bob

=====================
From: Thomas Wales <twales@…>
Date: 2008/04/02 Wed PM 01:00:12 CDT
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit


I believe the bow pulpit is built like a brick s**thouse.
TW

At 08:48 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without
breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37
PM

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Not
all Freedom 30 bow pulpits are the same. If the boat was ordered with the
Hoyt spinnaker, it came with a substantially beefed up bow pulpit. If you
were unsure about whether you wanted the spinnaker kit, you could order just
the beefed up pulpit (as my former boat had), or you could get the regular
pulpit, which had a fewer reinforcing pieces of stainless tubing.

Al
Lorman



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:00 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

\




I believe the bow pulpit is built like a brick
s**thouse.
TW

At 08:48 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without
breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37
PM


\

Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

I have the whole spinnaker setup and I can’t wait to give it a try this season!
So I will careful assume that its the beefy one and it looks it.

Bob

=====================
From: Al Lorman <ajl@…>
Date: 2008/04/02 Wed PM 12:23:43 CST
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit



Notall Freedom 30 bow pulpits are the same. If the boat was ordered with
theHoyt spinnaker, it came with a substantially beefed up bow pulpit. If
youwere unsure about whether you wanted the spinnaker kit, you could order
justthe beefed up pulpit (as my former boat had), or you could get the
regularpulpit, which had a fewer reinforcing pieces of stainless tubing.
Â
AlLorman
Â
From:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:00 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit
Â
I believe the bow pulpit is built like a bricks**thouse.
TW

At 08:48 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without
breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PM
To: freedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37PM

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

That goes for all the Freedoms that I’ve seen starting with the
Freedom 25 (The 25-footer has a masthead spinnaker pulling of this
pulpit assembly). My present F-28 has a similar ramming tool. Herm

At 02:00 PM 4/2/2008, you wrote:

I believe the bow pulpit is built like a brick s**thouse.
TW

At 08:48 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Selden and Forespar have offering that may fit the bill without
breaking the bank. Will the bow pulpit be strong enough to take the strain?

Bob


From:

mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:01 PM
To:

mailto:freedomownersgroup%40yahoogroups.comfreedomownersgroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Spinnaker Sprit

Greetings,
I have this cockamamie idea of installing a 4’ length of spinnaker
pole into my gun-mount to create a short bowsprit and flying an
asymmetrical for reaching in lighter air. So, what I need is to find
a source for the 4’ length of pole that would fit into my gun mount.
If anyone has any idea where I could obtain such item, I’ll be very
grateful. And, as a typical frugal Yankee from New England, I don’t
want to pay much.
Thanks for your learned input.
Best,
TW
F32, Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:38 AM

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date:
4/1/2008 5:37 PM